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A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

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A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

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All of our robots will have to balance Heidi Klum clones at the end of the game for bonus points.

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sigh, forum rules dictate we keep this clean :(

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Balance would be the operative word. Heidi is already stacked.

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I have definitely noticed the recurring "3" everywhere. What if this is a reference to the third FRC game, Tower Power?

"Contestants attempt to place as many of their soccer balls possible inside one of two goals. In each match, three-team alliances compete to place 12 balls of their team color inside either the high goal, worth 3 points, or in the low goal, worth one point per ball. The winner is the team that has the highest total point value of soccer balls within the two goals at the end of the two minute match. In the case of a tie, the team with more balls in the upper goal wins." (http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...ies_Photos.pdf)


Now, our "translation" says:
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT (GREAT may be TREAT)
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Now, due to the apparent rhyme scheme, great does make more sense than treat, as it rhymes with weight. So, we have a rose which has been kissed and a great singer. Right? Then, we have a dinner which was missed and something holding weight.

Unless, it is a rose kissed by a great singer and a missed dinner that is holding weight. Ok, I'm just making up random stuff now. But still, I feel like there may be something to the idea that maybe there are objects to be scored on different levels. Maybe? Possibly?

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OK, here's my guess"
A game with the following features:
A scoring "tower" with a (vision target for aiming or a light target for activation) which must be first "opened" for maximum benefit.

I like the idea of something other than balls to manipulate, so it'e either cubes or tetras (FIRST symbol branding)

Bot's holding each other up or carrying at the end....

The objects will no doubt have images of Seal and Heidi Klum,

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Maybe we have to balance a ball on a cone painted like a seals nose.



And the robot has to throw a pie at somebody in the audiance

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From someone on my team:

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Here's my view of these hints and the games. I think each hint is just a specific part of the game or something like that (maybe the robot). I think that the Rick Astley hint is pointing to the end game, since the screenshot was taken at exactly 3 minutes, and if that's the length of the new game, it would be the end game. 3 is coming up a lot, so this must be extremely important. I think the pins have something to do with the layout of the field.

Someone looked into that picture's metadata and found the gps coordinates of where it was taken from. It was taken at SEE Science CenterI did some more looking into SEE Science Center. Relevant to the threes that are coming up a lot this year, there's a "Mill Number 3" right below it on Google Maps. Also, they just finished up the "Lego Millyard Project" featuring a model with over 3 million Lego bricks and, get this, it was sponsored by FIRST. Lego also turned 80 this year
http://www.see-sciencecenter.org/vis...d-project.aspx

Keeping things relevant to how this clue may be entirely about the end game, two years ago, minibots were introduced for the game. The line "never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down" may be saying that it's them bringing back old game elements. The minibots were introduced as an integration of the other FIRST Leages, and some teams got FTC teams to build them a minibot. Maybe we've got more integration, but with FLL. FLL is also the third FIRST league. If the end game has to do with that, then 3 would definitely be very important, seeing as how the end game tends to be a game changer.

As to what they'll be doing, rolling comes up a lot here. That last hint was part of pi, and pi has a very close relation to circles. If you hit play at the 3 minute mark of the Rick Astley video, the next thing he says is "Never gonna let you down". Maybe you have to roll something up a steep hill (or something like that)? I'd like to hear more ideas on this.

As for that interesting find in the KOP about the size change of the robot, I think we may be seeing smaller robots, and a bigger alliance. FIRST is getting a ton of new teams from that agreement they made with YMCA last year. This many teams in FIRST would make the current setup of 3v3 matches taken even longer, and there may not be time in the schedule for that. Many others have also pointed out in this thread how last years field had an interesting driver station setup, that could have been FIRST testing out some of the changes. A smaller chassis would also put rookie teams at less of a disadvantage to teams who pre-designed chassis (and shared them publicly) and already know what their doing. They'd have to redesign, just like everyone else. To me, a 4v4 change-up just makes sense for this year.

Looking over all of this, i've just noticed something rather interesting, although it may have nothing to do with the game itself. We've got the 3 sided triangles/tetras (relevant to all the threes), rolling objects (such as spheres), and rectangular Lego bricks (FLL/maybe FTC). That's triangle, circle, square. It's the first logo. Maybe each portion of the game models part of the logo? That may be pretty far off, though.

I'm not entirely sure what the decoded version of the "3rd" hint means, but it probably ties into this somehow. Also, the pin layout on the Rick Astley picture probably means something, but i'm not sure what. It'll all make sense after we see the game.

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Am I the only one terrified of the possibility of a 4-team alliance?

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Am I the only one here to not have seen this picture? Does anyone have a link to it they would like to post?

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Here's the entire thread about it: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=109112

and here is the picture: http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...Game%20Lab.jpg

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No.

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Don't be silly. Tetrahexaflexagons are clearly the game piece for 2013!

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Has anyone thought about the game hint referring to:
Axl Rose, KISS
Rick Astly

There was “A Dinner” in the Cold November Rain music video by Guns N’ Roses and Rick Astley sang the song Hold Me in Your Arms.
I don’t know enough about KISS to know how “Missed” relates.

We might have to use an FLL minibot to pick up a record and place it on a turntable; to go with the music theme.

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My thoughts...



-Mike

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Seconded!

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Am I the only one who thinks that the alliance situation won't change?

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No, you're not the only one. I took the hint as, "Don't worry guys, Alliances will still have three teams on them. Now figure out the rest of the game."

- Sunny G.

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Not at all. I think the discussion is one of those “never suppose...simply prepare for everything” issues -- better to consider as many such possible ramifications ahead of time. If nothing else, it's been an intriguing annual thought experiment (at least in my minimal mind).

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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...34#post1203934

:D

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So here's the big question:

Did Kerry Wentworth attend the FRC Holiday Celebration?

That'd make the hint make a lot more sense.

A ROSE KISSED -- Seal
SINGER GREAT -- Seal Great / Great Seal
A DINNER MISSED -- Kerry?
HOLDING WEIGHT -- Carry

Carrying the great seal, or carrying a pyramid. This would explain all of the miscellaneous threes, as well--harking back to Triple Play.

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I don't expect you to know this, but as someone who lives in New Hampshire, the SEE Science Center is located in the same building as FIRST Headquarters. So, it makes much more sense that the picture was taken at FIRST Headquarters, and it doesn't tell us anything. I like the creativity though.

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Darn. I thought I was on to something there.

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Perhaps it is the seal holding weight?
The first hint would then mean that the seal would never give up the weight.

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I think that this speculation is not as productive as it used to be. I think that continuing is time wasted. Unless some new Game hint is released I think we will have to wait for the Kickoff on the 5th.

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Ive got it, the game peices will be tesseracts!

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Well that would be quite confusing for everyone

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I hope we do a triple play-esk game. That was my favorite of all games...

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Path1:
Based on the Dec 18 blog entry "Well, I’m looking at a game hint right now, and, wow! That is one nice game hint" the hint must be a physical something Frank could see from wherever he was on the afternoon of the 18th (anyone?). Running with the image of a seal holding the weight of a ball on it's nose so it can't eat and misses dinner... the misspell in usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-kit-of-arts-info-and-an-actual-game-hint points to a painting or a play or a sculpture. Google's most popular image of a statue of a seal balancing is this one outside AT&T park in San Francisco. Note that it is balancing a baseball.
Now the other part of the Dec 18 blog entry: "but we’re not quite ready to release it yet. We’ll be doing that on 12/21." Why would it matter what exact date the hint was released? I thought of E-bay and a listing that might expire by kick-off (what a clever place to hide the encryption code for the 2013 game manual...) but I don't think E-bay listings can be set to 2 week duration. However, I think Craigslist expiries can be set to two weeks. Wouldn't it be something if there were a Craigslist item for sale, where the listing was released on exactly December 21/12, in the arts category and in the San Francisco area... and if that something were a statue of a seal balancing a ball...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/art/3482870317.html

It seemed like such a good match but, after contacting the seller, it appears this is all just coincidence.

Path2:
Maybe a release date of Dec 21/12 coincided with something else. For instance, the release of a movie like Cirque Du Soleil's World's Away. Maybe a bit of a stretch but then again, the balancing seal image, pi and the repeated reference to 3 as in three-ring circus?

Path3:
Going back to hint #3 and the rhyming couplet, the last line could be interpreted as bearing defined as "something that supports weight". So, in the art theme, a bear's dinner missed.

Sorry if this is all going from plausible to busted but I had to get it out of my head. Maybe this hint is all (or mostly) a red herring (seal's dinner?) like the fourth (red) thumbtack on the rick Astley photo.

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No. If it became a 4 robot alliance...Oh. My. Goodness. It'd be pretty cool, though, to be honest with you. Make the field slightly bigger and I think it would work.

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...or the robots slightly smaller?

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I can't quite imagine what alliance selection would look like for 4v4.

Current 3v3 serpentine works fairly well because the first seed gets the advantage of first pick, but is somewhat disadvantaged by getting the last pick.

What order would the fourth robot be selected in?

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I truely think a 4-team alliance will be biting more than FIRST can chew. Strategizing will be a nightmare, as well as driving. It sounds like it would be cool, but in reality I believe it would be a huge mess and nothing more. Too much going on, for referees as well as the audience, and not to mention the drive teams.

Think of the children! And the coaches!

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Think about a 4-team alliance for a minute. That means 4 teams qualifying from every regional, plus Rookie All-Star, Chairman's, and Engineering Inspiration. There are 58 regionals, plus two district championships, plus the hall of fame teams that get in, plus the Einstein teams from last year. And don't forget about the wild card spots... that means a higher percentage of the spots earned at each regional will actually be used than they have in previous years, as we'll eliminate some overlap.

I just don't see how FIRST can expand Champs enough to accomodate the extra 50+ teams a 4-team alliance format would entail. Even with a 3 team alliance, you get close to 400 qualification based spots at Champs!

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I agree with all that's said... and remember the same things being said when they went from 2v2 to 3v3! :)

(I'm not saying it's going to happen, or even that I think it might... Just that it's definitely a possibility.)

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That assumes that 4 teams carries over to eliminations. I'd say that was a big assumption...

Neal

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No. I think that a 4 team elimination would work just as well. Although it would make scouting a nightmare.

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Another consequence of four team alliances is the size of some regional events and number of teams that four team alliances would have in eliminations. Even if you assume a "largish" regional that has 60 teams would have half to 2/3 of the teams in the eliminations if you include those robots placed on standby as replacements, I agree scouting would be a nightmare.

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Also at Waterloo where there are only 30 teams signed up you couldnt have a 4 vs. 4 elimination bracket with 8 alliances.
If Waterloo does fill up and they went with 4 vs. 4 there would only be two teams not in eliminations

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Both the Waterloo and Western Canada regionals have 30 teams registered. Neither could support 4v4 eliminations with 8 alliances.

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The 8 alliance elimination system could be downsized to just 4 alliances.

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Ah whoops. Traditionally our team only does Chesapeake and DC, so both of those are usually filled to 64. Wasn't aware that some only had 30.

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If there's one thing that I love, it's a good scouting challenge!

Neal

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Back to the hint (#3): The hint poem can be anagrammed into: "rearrange letters, showing message hiding inside, kiddos" - so that the hidden message is that there's a hidden message - and so is circular - and so relates to pi - or is just a red herring.

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As someone has mentioned previously, who says the 4v4 would be continued into elimination matches? It could easily be 4v4 for qualifications then drop to 3v3 or even 2v2 for elimination matches. Dropping to 2v2 for eliminations would have the added advantage of lowering the number of teams which qualify for Championships.

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2v2 would be so much less fun for alliance selections! :(

Seriously. The last ones are always so suspenseful...Well, except one off-season I was at this year. Only one of the teams had accurate scouting data and that alliance just crushed everyone else because the others picked robots that (no offense) just danced around the field the whole match. :rolleyes:

Point is, I would appreciate if FIRST would stick to 3v3. Yes, I realize with more regional competitions it makes filling up space for champs...interesting...but I think there are other ways FIRST can deal with this. I'll leave that for other threads, though.

How we came to this from a bunch of numbers in pi code amuses me so. :D

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I doubt it would drop down to 2v2 again. The first and second alliances would have a ridiculous advantage over the lower seeded teams.

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What if the 8th seed picked first? Would that work?

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Only if FIRST wants teams to play qualifying matches with the goal of seeding eighth. I wouldn't want that.

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That would make a lot of teams not to be in the first 4 positions.

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If FIRST moved to 4v4, why not just take the picking lineup that IRI uses?

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What if instead of picking the third alliance member in order, they did it one of 2 ways.

A) draw numbers from a hat to determine picking order, or
B) Choose in the order 1,8,2,7,3,6,4,5.

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How do you send an extra team per regional to championships when it's already packed? Assuming it's 4 teams on the winning alliance.

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Thats saying that we dont have any kind of double winners at all. It would be good to know if someone could post how many spots were given away because teams had won more than 1 slot at CMP.

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They're implementing "Wild Card" spots this year. Based on my understanding, any team that wins a second slot at a second regional by winning a regional will give that spot to a team on the finalist alliance. As a result, we're probably going to see much greater utilization of earned spots than we've seen in the past. The only cases we won't see it is for teams that earn their second spot through award (Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration, Rookie All-Star), or who win two spots at a single regional.

Do the math though... There are 58 regionals, two districts, and pre-qualified teams (Original and Sustaining Teams, Hall of Fame Teams, Einstein teams).

Lets focus on those 58 regionals. If we assume 4 teams on the winning alliance, plus 3 teams earning their way through awards, thats over 400 spots FIRST has to make available. Add in the districts and pre-qualified teams, and you're guaranteed to have over 400 teams at Champs. FIRST would have to make some big changes to be able to support that many teams at Champs - there just isn't enough room.

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Exactly though, 58*7=406. So lets say 450 teams.I think there usually is something close to 50 open slots.

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The only reason that works is because IRI is stacked with excellent teams: whether you pick 1st or 8th, you can still pick an alliance with a good chance of winning. At your average regional, there is barely enough depth in the field of robots to have a competitive elimination tournament as is. Using a picking lineup like IRI would merely confer a massive advantage to the top few seeds.

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Seal's self-titled 1994 album did include his best selling song "Kiss from a Rose". FIRST tries to pick catchy phrases for their game titles. Another song on that album is Bring it On.

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Another thing to ponder: here's the Seal of New Hampshire. Note the ship under construction. Water game! I know you're all groaning, but FIRST can simulate a water game without using water. They simulated low gravity in Lunacy. On a side note, one of Dean Kamen's "toys" is a LARC-V amphibious cargo vehicle.

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I think we're going too far away from the hint. What have we had in previous years is immediately obvious after the game is released without much analysis

2008's coordinates and direction for the tortoise and the hare statue

2009's MOONfish and poem

2010's pic of a field part and the extra gate

2011's pic of the FIRST logo and (forgot the person's name) who sings Locomotion.


Every single one was extremely obvious after the game was released. After all of this analysis, it seems obvious to me that we are over analyzing, and far from what the hint intended.

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What. if qual matches had 8 or 9 robots on the fielf and then finals went down to 3 v3. Sort of like the coop bridge not being used in finals last year

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Who is to say that there will still be 8 alliances. That is not sacred. FTC this year went to only 4 elimination alliances at every event.

If FRC was going to 4v4 and went to 6 elimination alliances (giving 1 and 2 seed a bye) then the same number of teams would be participating in eliminations.

Not that I have any clue if FRC is going to be 3v3 or 4v4, just don't hold any thing as sacred never to be changed. (I'm not with an FRC team but I sure enjoy the hint thread)

Stan

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I look at this a different way i guess. All hints aside. If i look at pass games starting from 2011.

2011- Logomotion (2007 Rack 'n' Roll with a twist)
Instead of us lifting robots at the end of the match we have minibots for a end game.

2012- Rebound Rumble (2006 Aim High with a twist)
Instead of us having ramps near the scoring zone they were in the middle of the field.

2013- ???????? (2005 Triple Play with a twist maybe)
Any guess what this year game twist will be.

Just my guess though. All the 3's coming up in the hint and the past game trends; i think it might be a remake of Triple Play with a twist and if i remember correctly didn't they try a new field layout that year and ended up changing it back because it didn't work to well in the first week of regionals. I also remember that this was the first year they went from a 2v2 2004 to a 3v3 2005. Maybe another change.

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While I think you're correct that there's a bit of undue stretching going on (isn't there always?), those aren't entirely fair comparisons. Do you remember the most recent poem hint we've had?

Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount;
stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix;
drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka;
then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover.

...Can you [plural] even guess what game this is? Poems can be rough, and I'd argue that was easier (more useful information/cross-checking).
'09

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That is the 2009 game hint and my brother figured it out. You have to go to Google maps and literally go to where the clue says to and you can put it together about what Lunacy was.

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This is the exact poem I was referring to from 2009. If you actually go to the locations on google maps (or don't, just read it and think about it) it is quite obvious what each line refers to.

"Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount" Zamboni shop - low coefficient of friction, like ice

"stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix" the u haul - and we connected to our trailers

"drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka" - forgot what was there, but we had to pick up the empty cells.

"then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover" - if I need to explain this one, there will be epic facepalms.


It may have made no sense at the time, but it doesn't seem that complex now.

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IIRC, that was the location of the "moonrock" manufacturer, in MN

What did you think 2013 game will be?
 

2013 game hint ??

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Back to the hint (#3): All of the letters of the decoded poem can be anagrammed into: "rearrange letters, showing message hiding inside, kiddos" - so that the hidden message is that there's a hidden message!? Note that it's circular - and so relates to pi.

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Yes, I figured it out then. What I'm saying is that is not "immediately obvious after the game is released without much analysis". You list it as an example along side things like the 2010 ball return CAD, but it isn't. Even after the game, you still have to do considerable work and stretching to back-discover what it's talking about.

This 2013 hint may well be the same way, except even stretchier because it has less information. If you weren't around for the 2009 hint, even if you knew Lunacy (which is why I asked "you [plural]"), you wouldn't be able to connect the poem to the game without serious research, and even then it's more difficult that things like realizing Little Eva sings "Locomotion". This 2013 version is like taking the 2009 poem, and replacing all the useful proper nouns with word riddles while removing the verbs.

The closest recent example is the 2008 GPS coordinates, but even that's obvious once you know what's there--2009 still isn't obvious even once you know, for instance, that Blip Toys is located at 15255 Minnetonka Blvd, Minnetonka, MN 55345.

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My favorite JVN quote is:
Oh wait, cross-posted from the "inspire thread" sorry ...

... or not :rolleyes:

As a young person, I always wanted time to speed by.

As an older person, I want time to slow down so I can savor every day.

As a mentor, I want the time from the 26th of December to kickoff to pass in a hummingbird heartbeat ....

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I'm young right now, and I want everything to just slooooooooooooooooooooow down. Everything's been going by so fast lately. And lolz at the 4 hours of shop work.

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I agree. I think we need to step back and look at this a little more simply. Each clue is probably just a generalization of an important part of the game. I'm thinkin' that the Rick Astley hint refers to the end game, and that the decoded version of the other hint is the actions that the robot has to go through to score a point (we'd have to figure that out though). 3 is something extremely important to the game, but we may not be able to figure that out until we've seen the game.

I'm thinkin' that that's what's going to happen. I was looking through the animation of Triple Play and noticed that there was a pad that the human player had to stand on and if they got off to load a game piece the robot would turn off. My first thoughts were Kinect implementation. We haven't heard much of that this year, and we already know that they wanted to improve its function in the game, so it wouldn't have been a clue anyways. That may be part of the twist thought. I'm also thinking that they're will be a different field setup and a better end game.

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I thought it was earlier than 2006 that the human player pad was...because I was kidding when I said return of it. :rolleyes: I don't think the Kinect will be returning either because it's not in the rookie kit, and I doubt that Microsoft is up for donating another 3000 of them. I think barely 10% of teams ended up using the hybrid station, though some more than others.

I've been saying it for a while too, I think Triple Play-esque is the way the GDC swung for this year. They're somewhat overdue for an unconventional object game. As far as the 4 robot alliances / 3 alliances, I just have to say one thing. No. Not happening.

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Relevant?

Normal is lame anyway ;)

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Maybe this is the twist?

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That could be a lot like a 3D Logomotion.

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The middle piece would cause some problems. In Logomotion this was avoided because they were all tubes that could be grabbed, but I don't see this one as being easy to grab and hang. Then again, who said we had to hang? And the pieces don't have to be exactly like this.

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Maybe the circle would be a sphere because that would go with the team of the 3D models

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FTC teams are pretty good at grabbing cylinders.

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The first line in Seal's "Kiss from a Rose" is:

"There used to be a graying tower alone on the sea."

I wonder if this might refer to a tower in the middle of the playing field(sea) from which robots(seals) have to hang these game pieces(fish).

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Nw I'm going to have nightmares about trying to design a mechanism that can handle all 3 of those parts!

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Just design something that will grab the material, not the entire part. Something that'll grab the PVC tube.

While I think that it'll be a Triple Play remake, I think this specific remake would be too close to Logomotion for the GDC to pick

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Just a hook on an arm or a fork lift to go all the way through. :D

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Perhaps an inflatable bag that can easily be filled/emptied with compressed air would suffice ;)

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Um, I have not seen this mentioned in this thread yet:

(from here)

Is that as strange to you as it is to me?

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I could deal with those game pieces

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I like how the this thread has devolved into designing game piece manipulators for a non-existant game. :)

Don's post seems promising.

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I think the main problem with that would be the potential for the piece to swing or twist around the PVC tube. Designing a manipulator for one piece, say, the cylinder, wouldn't be so hard, but designing a manipulator that could handle the pyramid and cylinder (the cube is the easiest) together might be a challenge because of the angled sides. Then again, I could conceivably see an arm reaching through it that could go up and down to slide the game on or off the arm. Lol we don't even know if that's going to be the game....

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Agreed. The anagram was pretty crazy. Could it be a coincidence? My heart says yes, my head says no. :ahh:

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At least we're working on how to play the game for once, haha. Normally we'd just speculate, just to speculate. No one ever gets close enough to actually get any advantage and start coming up with ideas.

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Play what game? Everyone's combined knowledge of the game so far is 0.

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If you've ever mailed in your box tops and waited, impatiently, for several weeks until your secret decoder ring arrived -- only to discover that the secret message was a reminder to drink your Ovaltine -- well, a secret message telling you that there is a secret message does not seem strange at all. ;)

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After reading a wide array of threads, I've investigated the most common ideas. After doing so, I have determined that they all stop soon after the obvious. After, I soon conducted a simple web search with the game hit. After looking through 4 or so pages, many scripts from the Titanic movie came up. "A ROSE KISSED" would make sense pointing directly at the main character, Rose, and her on going romance. "A GREAT SINGER" is a bit harder to make a connection with, but the Titanic did have many great performers on board, and it could be pegging the performance of "My Heart will go On" made for the movie. "A DINNER MISSED" could be pointing at the scene in which the sinking ship disrupts a dinner party, and "HOLDING WEIGHT" refers to not only the sea holding the ship for many hours, but also the what is still on the ship today.

As far as 3 is referenced:
the movie came out in 1997, 3 years before 2000.
Jack was on the 3rd class.
Titanic was one of 3 White Star Line Ships of its class.
It picked up passengers from 3 major cities before going across the Atlantic.
It took 3 hours to go down.

Now, I personally think that the 3 in the hint is not of any if so little importance, after all it is the most common number in the world.

So with this what might the game be?
-Keep the ship from sinking.
-Try to reclaim "items" from a wreck.

These games wouldn't be in water, but how long have people said it was a water game? This is about as close as FIRST will ever get.

Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 

I meant coming up with a solution to a possible game. We're still nowhere near figuring this out.