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DonRotolo 31-12-2012 19:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1206192)
Agreed. The anagram was pretty crazy. Could it be a coincidence? My heart says yes, my head says no. :ahh:
There are no coincidences, and especially none of this magnitude.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1206196)
If you've ever mailed in your box tops and waited, impatiently, for several weeks until your secret decoder ring arrived -- only to discover that the secret message was a reminder to drink your Ovaltine -- well, a secret message telling you that there is a secret message does not seem strange at all. ;)
Indeed. Perhaps that is what Frank meant when he wrote that it was a really good hint, in that it was very clever. Which it is, IMHO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1206198)
I meant coming up with a solution to a possible game. We're still nowhere near figuring this out.
...and we never will be, at least not until this coming Saturday. Game hints are fun for speculation, but they never actually tell us anything about the game. At least, they haven't yet.

Siri 31-12-2012 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1206181)
Um, I have not seen this mentioned in this thread yet:

(from here)

Is that as strange to you as it is to me?
Wow, incredibly. Unfortunately, following its advice (finding other rearrangements of the letters) is even more confusing. ::ouch:: If it's not a coincidence that it spells that message, is it a coincidence that it spells any of the other combinations?

There are 28,331 recognized words* in those 48 letters. I played with it for maybe 15 minutes and found at least a half dozen well-articulated and absolutely terrifying games possibilities. In fact, I'd venture that there are literally thousands of ideas one could articulate with this collection of letters. How to sift through them...


*EDIT: To put this in perspective, this means that 1 in every 8 words included in the entire, unabridged Webster's dictionary [11th Ed. Collegiate] can be made from those 48 letters. (Maybe more, as it appears the anagram solver's database is smaller.)

More than 1 in every 8 words in the English language. ...Is it just me or is the room spinning?

gabrielau23 31-12-2012 21:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1206205)
Wow, incredibly. Unfortunately, following its advice (finding other rearrangements of the letters) is even more confusing. ::ouch:: If it's not a coincidence that it spells that message, is it a coincidence that it spells any of the other combinations?

There are 28,331 recognized words* in those 48 letters. I played with it for maybe 15 minutes and found at least a half dozen well-articulated and absolutely terrifying games possibilities. In fact, I'd venture that there are literally thousands of ideas one could articulate with this collection of letters. How to sift through them...


*EDIT: To put this in perspective, this means that 1 in every 8 words included in the entire, unabridged Webster's dictionary [11th Ed. Collegiate] can be made from those 48 letters. (Maybe more, as it appears the anagram solver's database is smaller.)

More than 1 in every 8 words in the English language. ...Is it just me or is the room spinning?
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Sorry, I don't really feel like going through 28831 words, lol. However, I don't think we actually need to. Probably just go through the ones where the first word actually makes sense.

rhinobot 31-12-2012 21:38
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rsisk 31-12-2012 21:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1206181)
Submitted by Maddog on Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:17.

Having a little time on my hands, I used an online, iterative anagram solver, to rearrange the poem into this:

"rearrange letters, showing message hiding inside, kiddos"

So, the hidden message is that there is a hidden message !?!?
Unfortunately there is no protection on the re-entrant clue eventually causing us to blow our stack

Siri 31-12-2012 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1206211)
Unfortunately there is no protection on the re-entrant clue eventually causing us to blow our stack
Exactly. Honestly, while all 28,331 words do not make sense, there are literally thousands that do.

For instance, even after picking 2 words from among the longest sensible options, say, "disintegration" and "wearisomeness", :P there are still almost four thousand (well, 3,816) words left. And that's using two options that could well be a half dozen letters longer each than any of the words in the actual clue. Even two of the maximum length: "meaninglessness" and "interrogatories" ;) still leave over a thousand additional words in the remaining 18 letters.

mrmummert 31-12-2012 22:51
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Ever see the CIA recrutiers at Championship? I remember them being at Atlanta
in 2006. Maybe they have you all doing this to show the CIA (and maybe the NSA) you guys might be able to break code (or write it)...laughs....better
hope its not actually written in Navaho or need a enigma machine for this.
But the good side of this is that all this speculation gets ideas and the old grey matter going for the up coming season and thats a good thing. Sorta sports
for the mind warm up.

Bill_B 31-12-2012 23:21
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I thought of anagrams very early in the hint cycle. Rick astley didn't give much. Nor did his song's title. Even tossing "pi" into it didn't improve things.

Don has struck something of a phrase lode. Did you consider the G/T duality of the original code, Don? Of course, trying it in your anagram won't help making a more "sensible" version without going back through the iteration. You just have to start again with a differing number of Gs and Ts to see what pops out.

All the numerical stats given by others about words since then are curious, but no one is offering any alternate phrases to bemuse us. Wearisomeness might have as a meaning something like half-a-thousand messages in futile speculation. Here's hoping the game, when revealed, will be neither wearisome nor cause disintegrations of any significant sort.

gyroscopeRaptor 31-12-2012 23:27
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I think that anagrams are futile. The GDC wants the hints to be crackable, and I don't think they expect us to find one of 28,000 possible answers. Haven't we done enough already to crack any possible codes, and we can move on to the words themselves?

DonRotolo 31-12-2012 23:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_B (Post 1206215)
Don has struck something of a phrase lode. Did you consider the G/T duality of the original code, Don? Of course, trying it in your anagram ...
Much as I would like to take credit, it wasn't my anagram. I found it as a response to Frank's blog on hint #3, I linked to it in my post.

Hmmm, maybe there is another anagram in there? Not 28k words though (thanks Siri) but who knows cares?

vinnie 31-12-2012 23:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gyroscopeRaptor (Post 1206216)
The GDC wants the hints to be crackable, and I don't think they expect us to find one of 28,000 possible answers.
Like it's been said before, I'm sure someone here has already deciphered the meaning of the hint, but no one knows who got the answer correct until kickoff. Although I would imagine that the GDC would use a different game if the models on the last page were actually the game pieces :D
I love reading this thread and I can't wait to see what you all come up with when we actually get to the competition!

ElectricVeteran 01-01-2013 02:15
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Have been reading for an couple of days andhad a thought. What if the poem is like the name or synonimous (I spell horribly) to the name. Just since the first two lines point to the name Seal, it would make sense the last two line would do the same.
The Rick Astley pick, vague as it may be, might actually be somhow contected to the game.
Has anyone else starting to in threes?

Foster 01-01-2013 08:29
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Ok kids, step away from the letters and go back to the original decode.

Seals. Balls. We thought that it would be Seals balancing balls, but no It's our robots balancing on balls!!

Just found this clip from CMU about robots on top of balls. Now it all makes sense, the smaller frames, the new flexi parts, new gyro components!!!

Even better than the water game, it's a BALL game!!!

IisMathwizard 01-01-2013 11:58
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Wow... a balancing game would be quite a challenge... but isn't that what makes FRC fun?

I have a few concerns however:

If we do have a game where robots balance on top of balls, doesn't that sound dangerous to not only the robots but to teams attempting to retrieve their robots at the end of the match?

Is the cRIO update speed fast enough to allow for tele-operation and balancing (separate task I would imagine)?


I would think the danger part would definitely be the part to rule out this possibility.. However, I do think it would be a ball balancing game. Last year was a shooter.. so you know how this trend normally goes.. Arm game, but this year, the arm balances balls. Or maybe we use the arm to get the balls somewhere that requires balancing the balls atop it.

I hope the game masters are getting a good chuckle at this thread because it is almost torturous for me.

Orion.DeYoe 01-01-2013 13:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 1203998)
As a robot inspector, I am looking at the clue slightly differently. What if the clue was telling us more about the robot and less about the game? Every year lots of teams have “issues” with bumpers and understanding that what they call their robot’s “frame” and what FIRST calls the “FRAME PERIMETER” is not necessarily the same thing. Sometime back, I think in one of Bill’s blogs, teams were told that FIRST will be taking a hard look at the bumper rules this year to try to alleviate some of the confusion and frustration observed by both teams and inspectors. Maybe that was clue #1? Next we have also been told that the KitBot chassis will be a different this year. Couple that with the published box dimensions that (if you take as fact and not a typo) could lead one to conclude the KitBot chassis may be smaller this year. Let’s call that clue #2. Then the established clue #3 seems to refer to the singer Seal, missing something (i.e. “sliming down”), yet maintaining weight. This leads me to think that this year the bumpers must completely “seal” the robot (no gaps, no minimum bumper lengths, etc.). Also, I speculate that the robot must fit within the sizing box WITH bumpers attached. The sizing box may or may not be changed to accommodate a new robot dimension but the sizing box will include some sort of built in gauge or measurement system to check for bumper zone violations. The robot weight will remain at approximately 140 lbs (120 lbs + bumpers). I wouldn’t be surprised if the robots will still be sized 28”x38” but that will include the bumpers and the weight limit will be increased to 140 lbs but still won’t include the weight of the battery.
Wow. I must say this is really well thought through. I think you may have it.
The robots do get a bit large when you put bumpers on them. The bumpers end up being about 3.5-3.75 inches thick (.75 in plywood + 2.5 in + Fabric + Fasteners) on a side. This adds up to 7-7.5 inches per axis of frame dimension. So if the size limit is 38 in x 28 in and you subtract 7-7.5 in well that gives you a 30 in x 20 in frame which, coincidentally, fits within the AndyMark frame kit nicely.
Like I said, I would bet that you have it (assuming we're not missing something in the KOP list). I can't say I'm happy about it though, I really liked the size. Like other people have said, the large dimensions are what make FRC challenging and fun.

IndySam 01-01-2013 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1206246)
Wow. I must say this is really well thought through. I think you may have it.
The robots do get a bit large when you put bumpers on them. The bumpers end up being about 3.5-3.75 inches thick (.75 in plywood + 2.5 in + Fabric + Fasteners) on a side. This adds up to 7-7.5 inches per axis of frame dimension. So if the size limit is 38 in x 28 in and you subtract 7-7.5 in well that gives you a 30 in x 20 in frame which, coincidentally, fits within the AndyMark frame kit nicely.
Like I said, I would bet that you have it (assuming we're not missing something in the KOP list). I can't say I'm happy about it though, I really liked the size. Like other people have said, the large dimensions are what make FRC challenging and fun.
But if we would be using the same sizing box would mushroom bots be allowed? That would only make the frame smaller not the robot. We would still have the same sized robots.

nathan_hui 01-01-2013 15:42
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My guess is that if the GDC is shrinking the frame down so that the bumpers fit in the sizing cage, the cage probably won't change. That said, it probably means that the GDC is doing away with Frame Perimeter distinction and flat out stating "The robot, bumpers included, must fit in a x by y by z box at the beginning of the match. Period."

Ernst 01-01-2013 15:52
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Wouldn't it defeat the purpose of the bumpers if a mushroom bot is allowed? If the robot frame perimeter can extend as far as the bumpers, collisions would still occur between metal frames instead of pool noodles, rendering the bumpers nearly useless. They'd just be squishy reminders of team numbers.

nathan_hui 01-01-2013 15:54
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Likewise, manipulators sticking out of robots don't contact bumpers, and probably cause more damage than the frame sticking out.

ElectricVeteran 01-01-2013 16:55
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I've been reading for a few DAYS now and I have what I think might be an original thought on this thread (I see an original idea about every other post). Maybe the clue is the name of or synonymous to the name of the game. Hear me out. The first line points towards a single word "Seal" (that's if we are on the right track). Maybe the next two lines refer to another word/name. I think the answer is somewhere on Frank's blog post from after the Christmas dinner. Any thoughts? Oh. I also think the size change is going to happen. Might just be for the belt drive system but the frame in that kit shank.

Andrew Lawrence 01-01-2013 17:03
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Quote:
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT
Manual password, anyone?




*Please note I do not endorse trying to open the manual before kickoff, I'm just implying it could be something that doesn't have to do with the game itself*

coalhot 01-01-2013 17:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1206268)
Manual password, anyone?




*Please note I do not endorse trying to open the manual before kickoff, I'm just implying it could be something that doesn't have to do with the game itself*
Would be interesting, though I doubt FIRST would give out the password as a hint...

Kevin Thorp 01-01-2013 17:24
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 1203998)
I wouldn’t be surprised if the robots will still be sized 28”x38” but that will include the bumpers and the weight limit will be increased to 140 lbs but still won’t include the weight of the battery.
I would expect a weight reduction if the size is reduced. 140 lbs. is a lot of weight to pick off the floor multiple times a day. There's a proper way to lift, but I'm sure we've all seen kids in a hurry, doing dumb things to their spinal columns.

Steven Donow 01-01-2013 17:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin342 (Post 1206277)
I would expect a weight reduction if the size is reduced. 140 lbs. is a lot of weight to pick off the floor multiple times a day. There's a proper way to lift, but I'm sure we've all seen kids in a hurry, doing dumb things to their spinal columns.
I would assume the number 140 was chosen because in past years, the overall weight of the robot was restricted to 120 lbs of robot+20 lbs per set of bumper. This would just simply be combining the weights of the two components, if, for the purposes of robot sizing, bumpers are technically part of the "robot"(as defined in past years' manuals)

ENIAC 01-01-2013 17:43
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When does the encrypted manual get released?

Andrew Lawrence 01-01-2013 17:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206279)
When does the encrypted manual get released?
Tomorrow.

inkspell4 01-01-2013 18:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevend1994 (Post 1206278)
I would assume the number 140 was chosen because in past years, the overall weight of the robot was restricted to 120 lbs of robot+20 lbs per set of bumper. This would just simply be combining the weights of the two components, if, for the purposes of robot sizing, bumpers are technically part of the "robot"(as defined in past years' manuals)
You could always use the handle things that are available on andymark to lift the robot

cmrnpizzo14 01-01-2013 19:01
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I think we are getting clogged up with game ideas that are not possible.......

I made a new thread for all people wanting to take a turn as the GDC
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...97#post1206297

Have at it!

joelg236 01-01-2013 19:25
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I'm sorry if this has been posted before (I just don't have the time to sift through 500 replies :p)

I think there might be a pattern going on with the length of the numbers. It occurred to me that it is certainly possible that the number mean absolutely nothing, to distract us from what the hint means. So,

The length of the numbers are as follows:
Code:
2 8, 12
12 10
2 12, 12
14 12
If you find the sum of each line, you get
Code:
22
22
26
26
This is obviously a pattern of sorts. What is means, I am still in the process of figuring that out. But just some food for thought.

Troger 01-01-2013 19:29
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Other than these hints i have found some patterns in the FRC Game history. Take a look:
In the past 10 years the games have alternated in themes. Sports, Science, Sports, Science... look:
2012-Rebound Rumble: Sports (Basketball)
2011-Logomotion: Science (elevation challenge)
2010-Break Away:Sports (Soccer)
2009- Lunancy: Science (elevating challenge)
2008-FIRST Overdrive: Sports (relay race/track similarities)
2007- Rack 'N' Roll: Science (elevation challenge similar to 2011)
2006-Aim High: Sports (Basketball)
2005-Triple Play; Science (elevated score)
2004-FIRST FRENZY;Raising The Bar; Sports (Volleyball)
2003-Stack Attack: Science (stack things high)

SO i would expect we would have to get something scored in a high up goal, maybe on that was 3' high perhaps. and possibly circular.

nathan_hui 01-01-2013 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1206314)
http://www.andymark.com/category-s/419.htm

Just saw this about the 2012 drive base kit... Did that say 36 inch x 36 inch? This may be what it always says but it just didnt seem right to me.
That's true. The kit has to be modified in order to be FIRST legal. All the channels come as 36" sections, two of which you cut to make the long or wide configurations.

meaubry 01-01-2013 19:59
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I'd go with the following take off from what others have alluded to -

A ROSE, KISSED = a song Kissed by a Rose that was sung by the singer Seal - and seals like to balance on a big ball, while balancing another ball on the tip of their noses, but - the initial song lyric does speak of a Tower, also.

SINGER GREAT = Elvis, the King of Rock and “ROLL”, something that can be done with a ball, “rolling balls”, as well as, balancing balls.

A DINNER, MISSED = slang term for Stood Up, as in something that might need to be accomplished during the game, ie: “stand something up”.

HOLDING WEIGHT = to maintain/balance ones weight could refer to another teeter totter device or placement of weights in order to “achieve a balance”.

not exactly sure what it all means when put together though, what fun ...

maddog175 01-01-2013 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gyroscopeRaptor (Post 1206216)
I think that anagrams are futile. The GDC wants the hints to be crackable, and I don't think they expect us to find one of 28,000 possible answers. Haven't we done enough already to crack any possible codes, and we can move on to the words themselves?
Just resolved some access issues (or I might have jumped in sooner). The post on the FRC Blog Hint #3 page was mine (anagram: "rearrange letters, showing message hiding inside, kiddos"). It was a fun little exercise. Given that it uses all of the letters from the poem, with reasonable phrasing, it could very well mean something. I like that it's "circular" (relates to pi). And, anagrams HAVE been used in the past (e.g. to get "drive straight, turn left", a few years back).

Hopefully, it'll all be clear in a few days.

Of course, the clues also point to a water game (as they always do, it seems): Dew (water) kisses a rose. Wayne Wade (water reference) recorded "I Kissed a Rose" in the 70s. An anchor (water!) is a holding weight.

ENIAC 01-01-2013 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maddog175 (Post 1206411)
Just resolved some access issues (or I might have jumped in sooner). The post on the FRC Blog Hint #3 page was mine (anagram: "rearrange letters, showing message hiding inside, kiddos"). It was a fun little exercise. Given that it uses all of the letters from the poem, with reasonable phrasing, it could very well mean something. I like that it's "circular" (relates to pi). And, anagrams HAVE been used in the past (e.g. to get "drive straight, turn left", a few years back).

Hopefully, it'll all be clear in a few days.

Of course, the clues also point to a water game (as they always do, it seems): Dew (water) kisses a rose. Wayne Wade (water reference) recorded "I Kissed a Rose" in the 70s. An anchor (water!) is a holding weight.
!!

Quote:
Wayne Wade (water reference) recorded "I Kissed a Rose" in the 70s.
We have assumed that Seal was the singer referenced, but this song fits the words better. The rose is the object being kissed, rather than the other way around.

Then again, who knows.

Kevin Thorp 01-01-2013 22:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meaubry (Post 1206337)
A DINNER, MISSED = slang term for Stood Up, as in something that might need to be accomplished during the game, ie: “stand something up”.
I think you're on to something there. What about 4" DWV pipe for the game pieces? It's cheap & sturdy, and since it's designed to carry water, that could be the GDC's inside joke. It would be a challenging task to stand them up on end. Even more challenging to stack them! FTC used smaller pipes a couple years ago.

Edit: I inserted our 2011 robot for scale.

Kevin Thorp 01-01-2013 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maddog175 (Post 1206411)
Wayne Wade (water reference) recorded "I Kissed a Rose" in the 70s.
Wayne = wane = "to decrease in size, extent, or degree"
Wade = weighed

Decrease weight?

Walter Deitzler 01-01-2013 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin342 (Post 1206429)
Wayne = wane = "to decrease in size, extent, or degree"
Wade = weighed

Decrease weight?
But I thought the weight was being held! :eek:

Edit:: As in the weight allotment is going to stay the same (my interpretation of this hint)

Maniix3 02-01-2013 00:42
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- The official clue seems to have a connection to Pi, and the photograph is of a singer named Rick Astley who had a hit song in 1987 title “I’m never going to give you up.”
- Ironically(?) this song became number one on the charts on March 14th (3/14)
- March 14th is also known as “Pi Day” (3.14…..)
So my best guess is the game pieces this year will be “Pie” shaped and we may be required to pick up as many pieces as we can and need to retain them. My though on the later is that we might have to defend the pieces from being removed or “de-scored” (“Never going to give you up”) by an opposing alliance.

This is the guess from members of our team. What do you think?

Botwoon 02-01-2013 02:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin342 (Post 1206424)
I think you're on to something there. What about 4" DWV pipe for the game pieces? It's cheap & sturdy, and since it's designed to carry water, that could be the GDC's inside joke. It would be a challenging task to stand them up on end. Even more challenging to stack them! FTC used smaller pipes a couple years ago.

Edit: I inserted our 2011 robot for scale.
And the pipes are filled with water for weight.

Gentlemen, we have our water game.

dellagd 02-01-2013 06:16
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I still hold firm on the whatever the game is, there will just be a clear cube of water hanging in some corner of the field, and the GDC will say that its a water game.

Also, Im expecting the game video to go something like this:

The standard FIRST logo appears on the screen. "Hello, and welcome to the 2013 FIRST Robotics competition season..." All of a sudden rolling waves appear on the screen and then the announcer says "and this year's game: "Pool Power".... Suddenly the screen turns black and you think you've lost your Kickoff feed until you hear the words "Just Kidding!"

ttldomination 02-01-2013 07:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1206462)
The standard FIRST logo appears on the screen. "Hello, and welcome to the 2013 FIRST Robotics competition season..." All of a sudden rolling waves appear on the screen and then the announcer says "and this year's game: "Pool Power".... Suddenly the screen turns black and you think you've lost your Kickoff feed until you hear the words "Just Kidding!"
I'd expect that more if the kickoff was on April 1st every year.

- Sunny G.

tosTITOs 02-01-2013 10:55
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A Dinner missed - A dumb waiter misses dinner.
Holding weight- A dumb-waiter is a set of pulleys that lower food up and down multiple levels of a building.

This game is going to involve a pulley system.

JJackson 02-01-2013 12:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1206462)
I still hold firm on the whatever the game is, there will just be a clear cube of water hanging in some corner of the field, and the GDC will say that its a water game.
Or they put water between the driver station glass and send bubbles through it

Shifter 02-01-2013 14:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1206205)
Wow, incredibly. Unfortunately, following its advice (finding other rearrangements of the letters) is even more confusing. ::ouch:: If it's not a coincidence that it spells that message, is it a coincidence that it spells any of the other combinations?

There are 28,331 recognized words* in those 48 letters. I played with it for maybe 15 minutes and found at least a half dozen well-articulated and absolutely terrifying games possibilities. In fact, I'd venture that there are literally thousands of ideas one could articulate with this collection of letters. How to sift through them...


*EDIT: To put this in perspective, this means that 1 in every 8 words included in the entire, unabridged Webster's dictionary [11th Ed. Collegiate] can be made from those 48 letters. (Maybe more, as it appears the anagram solver's database is smaller.)

More than 1 in every 8 words in the English language. ...Is it just me or is the room spinning?
"SONG HINT IS RED HERRING,
END GAME'S SIDE GOAL IS DIKE WATERS"

fits

dellagd 02-01-2013 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifter (Post 1206546)
"SONG HINT IS RED HERRING,
END GAME'S SIDE GOAL IS DIKE WATERS"

fits
Why did we even go into the anagrams... Oh geez...

ENIAC 02-01-2013 15:05
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I noticed on the KOP website that the checklist is supposed to be released today. Any idea when that's coming?

ALSO:

On the game manual website, this file was posted in the team updates section.
The url: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/upload...1356551911.pdf

It was created on 12/27/2012 at 10:33:09 PM.

There's a lot of threes in there.

dellagd 02-01-2013 15:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206554)
I noticed on the KOP website that the checklist is supposed to be released today. Any idea when that's coming?
Im excited to see that...

joelg236 02-01-2013 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206554)
On the game manual website, this file was posted in the team updates section.
The url: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/upload...1356551911.pdf

It was created on 12/27/2012 at 10:33:09 PM.

There's a lot of threes in there.
What are those supposed to be? They both appear to be 2 page blank documents with page numbers on the bottom...

ENIAC 02-01-2013 15:46
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1206559)
What are those supposed to be? They both appear to be 2 page blank documents with page numbers on the bottom...
I imagine it to be a test page, and it could be nothing more. It just seemed like a piece of info not in the thread yet.

Robert Cawthon 02-01-2013 15:50
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifter (Post 1206546)
"SONG HINT IS RED HERRING,
END GAME'S SIDE GOAL IS DIKE WATERS"

fits
I am impressed with your self controll not to mention "Water Game!" after your anagram. (The implication is good enough.)

Jon Stratis 02-01-2013 15:51
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
The file is linked from the Team Updates page:
http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/Updates/0

It looks like it was uploaded for one of two possible reasons: As a stand-in that will be updated later when updates are made, or as a test to make sure the system was working as expected prior to kickoff.

ENIAC 02-01-2013 15:53
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Here is the file that is currently standing in for the game manual. A similar situation.

URL: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/upload...1356551911.pdf

Edit: Created at 1/1/2013 6:08:22 PM

ThomasClark 02-01-2013 16:09
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The anagram idea may or may not hold some merit. Here are several possibilities:

Quote:
NOG
A SHARK RESIDES IN WATER
SEEMS LEGIT
I'D GO DESIGN IN HD
Quote:
RING, HITLER, RING.
HE DOES DRESSES.
IS A WATER GAME.
NO KIDDING.

Kevin Thorp 02-01-2013 16:10
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It's frustrating to see those 2 blank pages! They should at least have a picture of Rick Astley in there.

John Sabath 02-01-2013 16:20
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They're probably just test pages. After looking at the raw PDF data I found this signature:

Code:
/URI (http://www.tcpdf.org)>> /H /I>>
endobj
24 0 obj
<< /Title (ž˙ F I R S T  R o b o t i c s  C o m p e t i t i o n) /Author (ž˙ F I R S T) /Subject (ž˙ F I R S T  R o b o t i c s  C o m p e t i t i o n) /Keywords (ž˙ T C P D F ,  P D F ,  e x a m p l e ,  t e s t ,  g u i d e  T C P D F) /Creator (ž˙ F I R S T  R o b o t i c  C o m p e t i t i o n) /Producer (ž˙ T C P D F  5 . 9 . 1 2 8  \( h t t p : / / w w w . t c p d f . o r g \)) /CreationDate (D:20121227223309-05'00') /ModDate (D:20121227223309-05'00')
"TCPDF is a FLOSS PHP class for generating PDF documents."

johnmaguire2013 02-01-2013 16:23
Do we know when the actual game manual (encrypted of course) will be posted yet? I saw somewhere that it was today but only can find the blank manual and the decryption test.

Bus10121 02-01-2013 16:30
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Has anyone tried solving the number sequences by say letters and a word generator, possibly creating a sentence. Only comparison I am thinking of is Morse code. Any help would be great insight. Also what was Hint 2 if the numbers were Hint 3

ENIAC 02-01-2013 16:32
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmaguire2013 (Post 1206588)
Do we know when the actual game manual (encrypted of course) will be posted yet? I saw somewhere that it was today but only can find the blank manual and the decryption test.
Same for the KOP checklists...

Steven Donow 02-01-2013 16:34
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206592)
Same for the KOP checklists...
It'll probably be posted sometime later today; recent blog posts seem to come later in the evening, so I'd say we can definitely expect it to come later today.

Bus10121 02-01-2013 16:57
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Has anybody made any headway with game hint 3 and also what was game hint 2 if anybody knows.

GrimmReaper 02-01-2013 17:21
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
No official posts yet, but the checklist and manual are both up - BOTH encrypted until kickoff...

Manual available here:
http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...-Encrypted.pdf

Checklist links here:
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...c/kit-of-parts

Anthony Galea 02-01-2013 17:45
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimmReaper (Post 1206617)
No official posts yet, but the checklist and manual are both up - BOTH encrypted until kickoff...

Manual available here:
http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...-Encrypted.pdf

Checklist links here:
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...c/kit-of-parts
in the url of the encrypted game manual, there is a three followed by a #.
Another game hint?

Vanz 02-01-2013 17:55
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I myself personally don't enjoy the idea of a third alliance as it could possibly cause the playing field to be altered. Also people are ruling out the third alliance because the bumper material wasn't mentioned in the kit but lets not forget that the special box is 4" X 1" X 1" and could possibly be rolled up or folded bumper fabric

coldfusion1279 02-01-2013 17:56
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure (Post 1203760)
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Somebody please verify!!

EDIT: This was simple substitution EXCEPT that '97' stands for both G and T. See discussion below.
Why would T and G be represented by the same number except to draw attention to them? T97 is a Volkswagen model called the Tatra. It's a pretty well buried hint, but I am willing to believe in the rebirth of the tetra! G97 represents a variety of things including a certificate of fitness, CNC codes, and wind turbine. Everyone else can have fun with that one, my contribution is complete.

dellagd 02-01-2013 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coldfusion1279 (Post 1206648)
Why would T and G be represented by the same number except to draw attention to them? T97 is a Volkswagen model called the Tatra. It's a pretty well buried hint, but I am willing to believe in the rebirth of the tetra! G97 represents a variety of things including a certificate of fitness, CNC codes, and wind turbine. Everyone else can have fun with that one, my contribution is complete.
If so, this really was a good hint! Hats off to the GDC!

Personally, I prefer the picture hints, but hey, this is cool too!

Travis Hoffman 02-01-2013 18:24
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coldfusion1279 (Post 1206648)
Why would T and G be represented by the same number except to draw attention to them? T97 is a Volkswagen model called the Tatra. It's a pretty well buried hint, but I am willing to believe in the rebirth of the tetra! G97 represents a variety of things including a certificate of fitness, CNC codes, and wind turbine. Everyone else can have fun with that one, my contribution is complete.
G97 is the rule that will require the robot to use copious amounts of neon-colored zip ties to ensure that it is indeed physically touching the loading zone when acquiring each Volkswagen Tatra game piece. #ignorethis #pointlessrulesfrom2005 #yesiusedhashtagsonacdpost

gyroscopeRaptor 02-01-2013 18:35
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T and G are the same because of the Pi cipher the GDC used.

There's no connection to a Volkswagen or an old rule.

Igors20 02-01-2013 18:39
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bardd (Post 1203679)
Why can't someone just give a legitimate hint with no secrets.:deadhorse:

ENIAC 02-01-2013 19:05
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gyroscopeRaptor (Post 1206663)
T and G are the same because of the Pi cipher the GDC used.

There's no connection to a Volkswagen or an old rule.
At the same time, they did choose to use a pi cipher. They could have used some other number just as easily (phi, e, avogadro's, etc). So I wouldn't discount it straightaway.

coldfusion1279 02-01-2013 19:08
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But I want the tetras back...

mocibot 02-01-2013 20:02
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Maybe the numbers from the hint are coordinates for some polygons, that coincidence with each other? Random guess here. Or maybe the set of numbers before the coma is the location of a shape and the other three numbers describe it somehow?

Also, from the FRC Blogged - Information for 2013 - the What, When, Where & How thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiifi (Post 1206697)
Looks like LabView has a robot simulator inside of it this year... Interesting.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/screensteps_...OldTUxWgWSk%3D
Maybe a hint about what the field will be?

CalTran 02-01-2013 21:26
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
That just looks like some old field elements/simple field elements

ehochstein 02-01-2013 21:43
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mocibot (Post 1206741)
Maybe the numbers from the hint are coordinates for some polygons, that coincidence with each other? Random guess here. Or maybe the set of numbers before the coma is the location of a shape and the other three numbers describe it somehow?

Also, from the FRC Blogged - Information for 2013 - the What, When, Where & How thread

Maybe a hint about what the field will be?
I was trying to avoid from posting that here :) but if you go look in more detail in the instructions on how to install LabView there are files recently opened for rectangular image captures, 2013 Game Simulator and a second image of from the perspective of the robot's camera via the driver's station of the same thing.

*edit* Scratch that - 1718 tricked us :) http://www.fightingpi.org/Resources/...12_Day_7.shtml

Brandon_L 02-01-2013 22:14
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
My prediction: We will be capping 3 goals.

Johnny_5 02-01-2013 23:08
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
So on the "Information for 2013" section it lists the Kinect SDK to download. However, the Kinect is not listed on the Rookie/Veteran KoP table.

Does this mean that everyone is getting a new Kinect?



Also, it says the official bridge is the DAP-1522 Rev B. I take it we will all be getting new bridges too?

ehochstein 02-01-2013 23:19
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny_5 (Post 1206812)
So on the "Information for 2013" section it lists the Kinect SDK to download. However, the Kinect is not listed on the Rookie/Veteran KoP table.

Does this mean that everyone is getting a new Kinect?



Also, it says the official bridge is the DAP-1522 Rev B. I take it we will all be getting new bridges too?
I've asked myself the same question multiple times... I think the only way we'll find out is through Kickoff. Everything else will just be speculation :/

ENIAC 02-01-2013 23:28
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon_L (Post 1206792)
My prediction: We will be capping 3 goals.
This makes a little sense. The capping from the tetras, the threes that have been showing up.

Maybe combined with the height stuff from stack attack:

Each alliance has three platforms with a stacking base. The sides are divided somehow. Each side attempts to stack up as many <insert game piece> as possible, and if a stack has a special game piece on top at the end, it's worth more, like the ubertube from 2011 (but capping). Would make for interesting strategies, like capping the opposing sides ubertetra (or what have you) with a non-uber piece to reduce their points, or somesuch.

apalrd 02-01-2013 23:45
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206817)
stack attack
Nope.

Stack Attack very very very quickly devolved into a game of destroying the opposing alliances stacks and becoming king of the hill, at all costs. Wedges were legal as long as you didn't actively lift them. Flipping was common. Destruction was great. It's kinda like battlebots from the point of view of the boxes, and a giant mess from the point of view of everyone else.

A match video of Stack Attack, courtesy of Andy Baker. 111 will win the championship by sitting on the ramp for the entire match.

Kevin Thorp 03-01-2013 00:08
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
It's been 5 years since the game used giant balls (FIRST Overdrive).

I wonder if the End Game might involve lifting a large ball up high (8'?) and holding it there, similar to a seal balancing a ball? If that's too easy, maybe we have to climb on a platform first, but can't start until the last 15 seconds, like the minibot launching in LogoMotion.

That would be a great visual; 4 to 6 robots quickly climbing on platforms, then giant balls being hoisted up high!

rocknthehawk 03-01-2013 00:09
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Tupperware tossdown.

ENIAC 03-01-2013 00:33
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by apalrd (Post 1206819)
Nope.

Stack Attack very very very quickly devolved into a game of destroying the opposing alliances stacks and becoming king of the hill, at all costs. Wedges were legal as long as you didn't actively lift them. Flipping was common. Destruction was great. It's kinda like battlebots from the point of view of the boxes, and a giant mess from the point of view of everyone else.

A match video of Stack Attack, courtesy of Andy Baker. 111 will win the championship by sitting on the ramp for the entire match.
I did know that part. We used Stack Attack as our week-in-a-day. I meant with the stacking height stuff as intended. But, as is obvious, just throwing it out there.

DanielDTech 03-01-2013 00:36
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Here's some food for thought... I would think that someone had already thought of this, but I haven't seen a reply on it so here goes:
I'm working off of the "Pi cipher" because it seems very legitimate to me. I mean come on, it rhymes. It can't be a coincidence...

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT

Seal inevitably relates, with his Grammy for being a great singer and his seemingly relevant song about a rose and a kiss.

I thought of the different definitions of "seal", and I made a crazy connection with the Navy Seals. The Navy Seals' emblem, by the way, has an ANCHOR in it, which could be considered a HOLDING WEIGHT.



The only thing I can't connect here is the A DINNER, MISSED part.

Maybe I'm stretching it a bit now, but this all seems to connect. And I don't think I have to state the obvious game type that this would point to... :P We'll be swimming with the fishes!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And something unrelated... I stumbled upon this newspaper that has "seal" mentioned in various different places around the "Dinner Missed" article, like right above what appears to be an emblem containing an anchor in it, next to the article about shark-bitten survivors and the one about the swimmer who planned on plunging into the English channel.. Ain't that funny?

dodar 03-01-2013 00:38
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206828)
Here's some food for thought... I would think that someone had already thought of this, but I haven't seen a reply on it so here goes:
I'm working off of the "Pi cipher" because it seems very legitimate to me. I mean come on, it rhymes. It can't be a coincidence...

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT

Seal inevitably relates, with his Grammy for being a great singer and his seemingly relevant song about a rose and a kiss.

I thought of the different definitions of "seal", and I made a crazy connection with the Navy Seals. The Navy Seals' emblem, by the way, has an ANCHOR in it, which could be considered a HOLDING WEIGHT.
And where does the Navy operate? It all comes back to one simple answer, Water Game!

ratdude747 03-01-2013 01:01
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny_5 (Post 1206812)
Also, it says the official bridge is the DAP-1522 Rev B. I take it we will all be getting new bridges too?
You bet.

IIRC it was in a blog post somewhere as part of the mitigations regarding the Einstein incident.

DanielDTech 03-01-2013 01:07
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I'd like to quickly bring your attention back to this hint. I know an altered image when I see one. The red pin on the bottom left was definitely not in the original photo. It is a perfect circle, and it lacks the luminosity that the other pins have. If FIRST took the time to make this pin red, it must be for a reason. So, I second what someone said about the fact that there are three different colored pins, possibly suggesting 3 alliances, or maybe this could mean something totally different. But it certainly means something.

John Sabath 03-01-2013 01:14
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206837)
I'd like to quickly bring your attention back to this hint. I know an altered image when I see one. The red pin on the bottom left was definitely not in the original photo. It is a perfect circle, and it lacks the luminosity that the other pins have. If FIRST took the time to make this pin red, it must be for a reason. So, I second what someone said about the fact that there are three different colored pins, possibly suggesting 3 alliances, or maybe this could mean something totally different. But it certainly means something.
Or it's just a flat push pin.

DanielDTech 03-01-2013 01:18
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Sabath (Post 1206840)
Or it's just a flat push pin.
A flat push pin wouldn't create that heavy dark shadow on the bottom left quadrant of the pin, and wouldn't look so flat, as they are actually rounded. But if I'm wrong and it is a flat pin, why the difference?? :confused:

And either way... It looks very phony.

DanielDTech 03-01-2013 01:28
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206837)
I'd like to quickly bring your attention back to this hint. I know an altered image when I see one. The red pin on the bottom left was definitely not in the original photo. It is a perfect circle, and it lacks the luminosity that the other pins have. If FIRST took the time to make this pin red, it must be for a reason. So, I second what someone said about the fact that there are three different colored pins, possibly suggesting 3 alliances, or maybe this could mean something totally different. But it certainly means something.
Spot the phony!

orangemoore 03-01-2013 01:30
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
If you look closely they are actually normal thumb tacks.



Here is an example:
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl...r:10,s:0,i:118

Sean Raia 03-01-2013 01:33
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206843)
Spot the phony!
Looks like a flat pushpin with a matte finish... it does not appear to be Photoshopped.
Case closed?

John Sabath 03-01-2013 01:38
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1206845)
Looks like a flat pushpin with a matte finish... it does not appear to be Photoshopped.
Case closed?
Agreed. I'm thinking a matte pushpin with a beveled edge.

Flimsor 03-01-2013 01:52
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206828)
The only thing I can't connect here is the A DINNER, MISSED part.
Well, I don't know that this guess at the clue actually has anything to do with what the game will be, but I've figured out how the dinner missed fits in. Eagles catch their prey by diving to the surface of the water and grabbing it with their talons. Rather than prey, this eagle is holding an anchor, and if he's busy holding an anchor, he won't be able to grab food, and will miss his dinner. I'm thinking it's a bit of a stretch since I don't see how this could be a game, but no one ever knows.

Also, I'm pretty darn sure we're all getting new Kinects since I remember hear a lot of FIRST people wanting to improve how it was used in the game, and a lot of people agreed that it was basically useless. Just look at this at world champs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaOiaC0I8pY

ENIAC 03-01-2013 02:44
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielDTech (Post 1206837)
I noticed also that on that linked URL, the favicon is different from the standard FIRST favicon. Is that showing up for anyone else?

ReapersRule 03-01-2013 03:03
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206857)
I noticed also that on that linked URL, the favicon is different from the standard FIRST favicon. Is that showing up for anyone else?


I hadn't noticed that before, but now that you mention it, I do. I checked, the FIRST logo is there for the main website, the blog, the game manual and documents... but not this. Not sure if it is significant in any way, but it is different.

Of course, we are assuming the picture is a hint, and not just the GDC messing with us...

Jibri Wright 03-01-2013 03:18
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Just to tell you guys, the Navy Seals now sponsor FIRST. Dean Kamen did have a meeting with them back in 2012 and have struck an agreement with them. Look it up on Youtube, i saw a video of most of the speech there. I will post a link later. I don't think the Navy Seal thing may be too far off.

dellagd 03-01-2013 06:22
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReapersRule (Post 1206860)
I hadn't noticed that before, but now that you mention it, I do. I checked, the FIRST logo is there for the main website, the blog, the game manual and documents... but not this. Not sure if it is significant in any way, but it is different.

Of course, we are assuming the picture is a hint, and not just the GDC messing with us...
Browsers (sorry, at least Firefox) always just compress down a jpg image and stick it in the favicon spot. At least Im just seeing a compressed Rick in the icon spot.

nuggetsyl 03-01-2013 10:35
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
I am going with the guess we are going to see traffic cones with something balanced on top

dbartels 03-01-2013 11:25
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Team 1522 - The Defenders of the Multiverse - is thinking that the Rick Astley photo is not a rick roll. As mentioned above "3" is meaningful and the three colored push pins signify 3 alliances - red, yellow & blue. The position of the pins corresponds to starting positions or driver stations. The forth red pin which seems different is likely a hybrid bot controlled by the red alliance with the Kinect.

This bot will never be given up, let down and the red alliance is never gonna run around and desert it.

DINNER MISSED - missing out on points b/c you're defending the red hybrid bot - HOLDING WEIGHT

Think about this while watching the video (coincidently 3:33 long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Kevin Thorp 03-01-2013 12:21
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1206899)
I am going with the guess we are going to see traffic cones with something balanced on top
Coincidentally, here's a cute safety animation created by the FEDS (Team 201): http://youtu.be/Z-j-UAeZ7rM

BAM 03-01-2013 12:23
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibri Wright (Post 1206863)
Just to tell you guys, the Navy Seals now sponsor FIRST. Dean Kamen did have a meeting with them back in 2012 and have struck an agreement with them. Look it up on Youtube, i saw a video of most of the speech there. I will post a link later. I don't think the Navy Seal thing may be too far off.
If this is true, our Navy Seal guess seems plausible. We can all agree that the first two lines refers to the artist Seal, and his hit song "Kiss from a Rose". But the meaning of the second two lines is posing to be more of a challenge. I think this Navy Seal idea makes logical sense both in the context of the riddle and in the context of FIRST politics.

Also, I think the Pi cypher is very important. The Raspberry Pi has been gaining popularity over the past several months, and I think FIRST recognizes this. The KOP mentions a "Separate Idem" thats 4" x 1" x 1", and I think this could be the Pi.


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