2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...tual-game-hint

Guess on!

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Initial guess: due to the commas and even numbers of numbers per grouping, maybe each pair of numbers is a character.

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Number 3!?!?

Seems like some kind of cypher to me...

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Half-Life 3 confirmed for this year's FIRST game.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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I was just about to start this thread, but I had to make sure they hadn't gone mad in the last one.

I haven't the cryptography skills of the rest of CD, and a simple Google search for the numbers doesn't seem to bring anything conclusive.

EDIT: Okay, first try. taking all of the 3s in the hint gives
3- -------3, ---3-----3--
---3-3---3-- -----33---
3- ---3-3-3-3--, 33-3-----3--
-3-------3-3-- ---3-3---3--

And the number of digits between successive 3s or breaks is:
1 7, 3-5-2
3-1-3-2 5-0-3
1 3-1-1-1-2, 0-1-5-2
1-7-1-2 3-1-3-2

And in that series:
2, 2
1-1 2
1-4, 4
4 1-1

I'm probably completely wrong, but I'm running with it.

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Since there was no official game hint before, I'm assuming this is part of the hint...
Three alliances maybe?

I'm assuming non of the numbers are coordinates, since a game hint in the past contains coordinates... Or these *are* coordinates and they're playing reverse psychology on us?

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Franks high school locker combination?

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What could be the other 2

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Yep, they do read Chief Delphi.

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Well, it wouldn't have anything to do with Base 3 encoding, possibly reversed, with something special at the end, right?

Gentlemen, whip out your scripting tools.

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http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery

They seem to be segments of Pi. Try running them through here and seeing what the places are, and then we might have a string of numbers that could translate to letters.

It won't be directly translated into words, still.

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Pi is related to circles,
Circular field?
Circular game piece?

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I just realised some number sequences repeat themselves...
31 obviously
2383 appears three times, second row first number, third row second number (31 as a different number), fourth row first number.
5388 twice, second row first number, third row second number. Both two digits apart from a 2383.

First row last number seems to be identical to third row last number, apart from the first two digits (62 in the first and 33 in the second).

I'm afraid only 31 and 88274153 were found by the website... But I think it may have somehing to do with it. Maybe each number represents a letter and 88274153 stands for "P"?

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Didn't Data have this problem in an episode of ST:TNG? :)

The numbers do look familiar.

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I think he's just messing with us. He knows how we'll react. Don't fall for it!

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Some possible analysis from my boss while I do actual work ;)

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I've been going through each pair of two numbers. Nothing too conclusive yet.

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Regarding the whole 3 alliances theory, there are about 10 FIRST Fields built, and many teams also have their own fields that they made. These fields are all 27x54 ft fields, and if there would be a 3rd alliance this year, FIRST would have had to restructure the formation of the field. It most likely would not be a rectangle like it has been in years past, therefore, it would not be the wisest move at all for FIRST to decide to change the shape of the field.

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The fact that thhis is labeled hint #number three seems to suggest both thee Rick Astley photo and the post about this hint were actual hints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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This is game hint #3. (or so they say)
The Rick Astley "hint" was taken at 3:00.

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I find the kit dimensions more interesting.

Why is this not 38" long? It should be at least that big to fit a standard kit bot chassis rail? (I hoping this is just a typo and they didn't shrink the starting size to fit more robots, i.e. 3 alliances on the field)

Also the veteran kit stayed just about the same weight as last year.

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Interesting... change of chassis rules?

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The Rick Astley Picture may have been a legit hint, and possibly another one was some vague statement once made on the blog that we missed...

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Yellow Alliance.....

2 vs 2 vs 2.

Round game object.

Maybe a redux of Coopertition FIRST "Never gonna give you up, Never gonna let you down"

Lots of up and down motion

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Just another set of bumpers that needs to be made and maintained...

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Not sure if this is anything, but when translated from decimal to ASCII, the output is this:

 , 憞

ៜ ⧍



And it perfectly fits in the translator (no excess lettering or anything).

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So the number 31 is repeated twice, so when searching it into a regular google search, one of the top links is this: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...n31/index.html
This may refer to the game in some fashion because FIRST has been known to relate games to NASA missions and other accomplishments.

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also,
"31 is a centered triangular number, a centered pentagonal number and centered decagonal number."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_(number)

Triple Play over again?

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In the rookie KOP only red and blue bumper material is provided. Indicating two alliances, not three.

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Some of them look like phone numbers... LETS START CALLING THEM ALL!

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There's bound to be a transition as some point. There was one when we went from 2 x 2.

We can't use the argument that "That's how things are" when talking about the GDC.

Also, in regards to how a three minute match would influence overall event times, what if it's a three minute match and 3 x 3?*

*I have no numbers behind how that would influence match schedules. Nor do I want to do the math right now. Someone else is welcome to though.

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Well, that rules out three alliances. Next!

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That or they didn't want to say another color thus showing their hand

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Or maybe that's what the "Separate Item" in the Black Tote is...

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Just going to point out that in Ladder Logic (Which was 1v1v1) the third color was white

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Using http://www.visca.com/regexdict/ to look for words matching those patterns gives this:

97 88 E A 97 (^(.).ea\1$): dread, treat
99 E I 97 93 97 (^.ei(.).\1$): nothing

If you don't force that last one to cover an entire word, it gives veining and semeiology.

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If the Rick Astley pic is a real hint, and matches are 3 minutes long, teams will have about 5 matches if it is 3 on 3 at championships. Just did some quick calculations based on last years schedual. The other problem with 3 on 3 on 3 is that it would not make for too great of a game, becuase as soon as you added like 148 or 1114 to one of the allainces, it unintentionally becomes 6 on 3.

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they say this: Separate Item-4" x 1" x 1"

I think that is too small for bumper fabric, unless it is a small sample

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Let's get back to this:


Did all of you miss the almost complete decryption at the end of Josh's boss's analysis?

This looks very promising!

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Speaking of 3, 3 is the most common number in the hint (23). The second most frequent is 2 (13).


WATER GAME

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Another update from my boss while I work :)

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So thinking a bit more on this, what I am gaining from this theory, we may have a "safe zone" out in the middle of the field, or possibly there may be elements off the field that play a much larger role than in previous years. Still not sure though.

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Logomotion had both White and Yellow Tubes...

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I have a feeling that there were two hints released today. The "official" hint, and the KOP information. The official hint is also probably a decoy to take suspicion off of the KOP info...

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Rule and Lifter? Either quite a coincidence or we have something here...

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How so?

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Since the title of the blog post is "Kit of Parts Info and an actual Game Hint", I don't think that the Rick Roll picture was a real hint.

But the yellow was only used for the autonomous tubes, while the white were used for all of teleop. Remember, white is the third color in the F.I.R.S.T. logo.

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Did anyone notice that the KOP Site says the checklists for the KOP will come out 1/2/13 instead of 1/5/13 when kickoff is... Just something to think about.

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Went to the NASA page for the mission #31.Notice the launch date is today, the same day the hint was released....relation? As well, "Starry Night" is the background, possibly the game is space related?

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You guys are amateurs. Allow me to mentor you:

(Sector Name, X Y Z)
http://basilicus.wikia.com/wiki/Inte...rdinate_System

Now go, my minions.

(In all seriousness, did no one else key on the duplication of 341415326 in the same position of the sequence as an obvious coordinate system of some kind?)

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Intrigued by the KOP dimensions, could be interesting if not a typo. We believe that the GDC works more than 1 year out, so I dug up this post from last year:

"On a slightly unrelated note, there has been a lot of speculation re: the return of minibots. Why not apply the "miniaturization" principle to the grown-up bot? The 38 x 28 footprint has been somewhat sacred lately, and it's possible that the GDC had issues with so many chassis designs being "recirculated" from Rack 'n Roll last year. The new CRio is smaller, why not the robots? A smaller footprint would force many teams to rethink their entire packaging scheme."

Smaller robots might make a 3 alliance match feasible, or are we missing the obvious witht the multi-colored push pins, and the GAME PIECES come in 3 colors (red/yellow/blue)?

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Also notice there are 2 red ones, perhaps the red alliance could be larger than the blue or yellow, or if it's game pieces, perhaps red is worth more?

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What would the point of that be?

Also, there is no indication that the Rick Roll picture is an official hint. Notice how the recent blog post today calls the new one an "actual Game Hint."

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maybe one alliance is supposed to defend something and the others have to cooperate to achieve it

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but the photo was taken exactly on minute three as pointed out earlier. also i love how were all from the same team arguing about it

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Remember to eat your Ovaltine!

Just had to throw that out for Christmas Story Fans!

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Could the key to the code be found within the Mayan calendar? 31 is a significant number in some forms of that calendar.

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I think that every two digits represent a letter...

31 / 88 27 41 53, / 62 23 41 41 53 26
41 23 83 97 53 88 / 97 88 53 31 97
31 / 26 23 83 83 53 88, / 33 23 41 41 53 26
93 27 64 26 23 83 97 / 99 53 23 97 93 97

and it means that the whole thing is made of 14 different letters:

31 - probably A or I
88
27
41
53
62
23
26
83
97
33
93
64
99

5 of these must be aeiou, and additional 9 others

now what?

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They could have different point values, or maybe the red one causes some sort of penalty? I think the notion of a color sensor on board is interesting. Maybe a color sensor is in the "box to be named later"? Hmmmm....

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Replacing each couplet of Pi numberals with its position in pi, we get:
a robe, kibbed

binger greag

a dinner, mibbed

volding weigvg

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I plugged it into an ASCII/Unicode converter and got nothing....trying hexadecimal values

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31.88274153, 62.2341415326 = western Afghanistan
41.2383975388, 97.88533197 = mid-west northern China
31.262383835388, 33.2341415326 = off north coast of Sinai
93.276426238397, 99.5323979397 = Google found FRC Blog and CD :o

Well, it's further away than 42.349905,-71.076072 but who's up for a road trip? The first positions do sort of line up.

HumblePie: that is an interesting thought, shrinking the robot size down, if only a little. Maybe the typo's are a hint?

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A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Somebody please verify!!

EDIT: This was simple substitution EXCEPT that '97' stands for both G and T. See discussion below.

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How did you get this?

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I wouldn't call Rick Astley 'great'...

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If you replace 'b' with 'l', then you get

a role, killed
linger greag
a dinner, milled
volding weigvg

which seems to make more sense.

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I dunno....this reminds me more of MEATLOAF.....

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If you guys really want to learn about the number 3, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvtbkz5HY_o

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You have to assume '97' encodes to two different characters-- both 'G' and 'T'. Otherwise it's internally consistent.

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While exciting, the final 3 pairs are 97, 93, 97. Are you using some other kind of cipher or another method altogether?

Edit: nevermind

Edit 2: I think Seal is a great singer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_from_a_Rose

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Tried most of my usual ASCII tricks and didn't get very far, just random charactors. :/

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Just trying to throw fuel on the flame...here's the possible 2nd hint:

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...me-hint-status

Maybe it is a coincidence that the hint was released today. The Aztecs had a Triple Alliance. However, the Aztec are not the Maya...

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Coincidence, geometrically, means occupying the same space? So perhaps a stacking game... The THIRD stacking game ever???

I like the riddle cipher though!

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Three atoms make up a water molecule. Clearly its a water game.

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Aha, here's the reason for the 97 collision!

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Got my hopes up, when i google imaged search the numbers one photo came up but it turned out to be just a site that the hint was posted on

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Hard to tell: the riddle sounds like the rose received the kiss, rather than the rose did the kiss.

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"SINGER GREAT"......

.....He won an award for "Best Male Pop Vocal"

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Triangles have 3 sides...

Tetras?

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The pairs aren't element numbers as far as I can tell. Got nowhere.

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If you google each of those numbers individually, most of them don't turn up anything... but 88274153 has quite a few hits!

88274153:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ph...image/88274153

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sterile/88274153/

http://www.pbase.com/image/88274153

It is alarming that each image is related to water.

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Well, as a proud Mexican I know a thing or two about this madness that involves the Mayan calendar. For the Mayans the number twenty was very important, indeed their numerical system is based in the number twenty (I case you didn't know Mayans still exist in the south of Mexico). The Mayans had two calendars, one of 260 days for ritual purposes and another of 365 days (they really were excellent astronomers, the calendar was pretty accurate for that time). The calendar of 365 days consisted of 18 months with 20 days each, the final five days of the year were considered as "unlucky days" and didn't figure in any month.

I hope this information helps someone his search for the meaning of the hint, and if that is not the case, at least you know something more about the Mayan culture :D

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Running with this (because it seems to be the most solid thing we have so far):

Maybe someone with more of an literary mind-set might elaborate on how the ROSE portion is significant, but I think this is in reference to Rick Astley. ("Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down").

Let's see, A DINNER, MISSED, perhaps this means that the robot will not be able to consume game pieces, ie intake pieces. HOLDING WEIGHT is interesting because it ties back into the Rick Astley song. Maybe this indicates that lifting/holding other teammates will grant you end-game points?

- Sunny G.

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i looked it up its a titanic quote,

water game

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My theory: singing robots.

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I think we can confirm the pi-cipher

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This seems very plausable and realistic based on what FIRST has done in the past, and also goes with the whole arm game idea, which this would most likely be if robots cannot intake game pieces. I believe we are on to something, or else the GDC would have made a code that didn't work when trying to be processed the way this one was.

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Something interesting is that if you add all the numbers in 12/21/12 you get 3/3/3...

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As a previous poster pointed out:

Seal won 3 Grammys in '96 for the song "Kiss From a Rose". I refuse to believe this is a coincedence! :D

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So I was looking at the KoP site. Veterans are getting two extra boxes with the KoP this year. The first one has a density of about 81.8 lbs/ft cubed. The second box has a density of about 76.0 lbs/ft cubed. These are heavy boxes.

Note: The rookies are also getting a box the same size as the veteran box two, however their's only weighs 3 lbs, not 10 lbs.

Anyone think these could be game elements?

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Yep, the rhyme Nate posted is the real translation. H and V, G and T, S and B both have the same set of digits.

Great work, guys!

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I still believe that we need to look into the NASA website a bit more in depth. Mission 31 launched today, meaning that maybe the GDC worked with NASA when creating this hint. On the blog, it even says that this hint is really good. I would assume that what they mean by that is that it is a very interesting/complex hint. The website is:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...n31/index.html
This is one of the first few links that you get on Google when you search 31, the only repeating isolated number in the chain of code. This might very well be worth looking into, because it is plausable that the GDC decided to to another NASA themed game, similar to Lunacy, and looking at it from a worldy aspect, NASA recently lost government funding, they could use some promotional events to help them sustain in the upcoming years, unless the world ends today.

This definantly could be a substancial lead in understanding the meaning of this hint.

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Interesting that though the Grammy was won in 1996, the song was released in the US in 1995. The FIRST game in 1995 was Ramp n' Roll, Similar to "Rick Roll" No?

EDIT: Overview of Ramp n' Roll:

In two minute matches, three robots race down a 30-foot
raceway, over a speed bump just wide enough for two to
pass through, to retrieve their 24” and 30” vinyl balls. To
score, they must carry the ball(s) back up the raceway
and push or shoot the ball over a nine-foot field goal
from either the playing floor or a raised platform area, all
the while trying to keep their opponents from scoring.
Teams may score more than once with each ball – the
smaller ball is worth two points and the larger ball is
worth three points.

2013 Game Name: Seal the Deal ;)

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"Holding Weight" I believe, is the real hint here.
The second line corresponds to the first hint (Rick Astley)
The third line corresponds to the the second hint ("End of the world")

I still don't understand the Rose Kissed part.

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I think I must be missing something. It appears to me that Mission 31 launched exactly one year ago today, not today. So 366 days between the dates.

EDIT: What if the "HOLDING WEIGHT" line refers to heavy game elements. Last year at championships, they had a guy from NASA speaking about the Curiosity mission. I forget his exact quote, but the way he said it and what he said made me immediately think it was a game hint. This is really out there, but what if the game is based on Mars and heavy Mars rocks (could be the two boxes in the KoP?). There have been '3' games between the last NASA game and now...

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I'll just toss my thoughts out here.

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT

all seems to refer to Seal to me.

A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Seems to refer to a single something that I can't figure out. This would make the answer to the riddle "Seal X". Some short phrase or something. Does anyone else have any ideas along these lines?

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Missing a meal could be called "Fasting" or it could make you "tighten your belt".

Andy

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Last year's FTC game involved holding weight - as high as they could - stacking game.

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Sorry... had nothing better to do. :o

"Kiss from a Rose" song lyrics:

Lighthouses? When it snows == build season? IR lights?

Also was sung in the movie "Batman Forever" -- something about Dark Knights/Nights?

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How about this? You miss a dinner, yet you don't lose any weight. Sounds like something is being removed, yet it's not affecting/changing anything.