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Anupam Goli 05-01-2013 23:41
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1208536)
Consider what happens if you accidentally hit an opponent's climbing robot...
Alright, better start practicing my hammer throws... oh wait, I'm on the college club, not in high school.


I'm not going to be the only one saying this, but there will be a team out there that will have done enough testing and enough feedback control to be able to succesfully get a frisbee on top of the pyramid. It's not only entirely possible, but can be down to extrapolating a few hundred data points. Also, my team wants to try this out. ;)

BlueNova 05-01-2013 23:43
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by j_chen_1676 (Post 1208521)
Looking that the angle at which you're throwing and the pyramids directly in the way, feels like it'll take "mad G skillz" to score frisbee shots as human player.
I'm not saying that every team will have a frisbee thrower extraordinaire, but I do expect a few teams to have one.
Also, you are throwing inside, with no wind. True, the height isn't Ideal, but if you pick your human player now, and they practice, I suspect that they could make at least a third of the shots they take.

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Originally Posted by Wing (Post 1208572)
Alright, better start practicing my hammer throws... oh wait, I'm on the college club, not in high school.
I know! All I want is to throw the Frisbee for my team!
Wait, do the human players have to be a student, or can they be a mentor like the coach?

ratdude747 06-01-2013 00:00
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueNova (Post 1208576)
I know! All I want is to throw the Frisbee for my team!
Wait, do the human players have to be a student, or can they be a mentor like the coach?
Students only.

dlavery 06-01-2013 00:13
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason701802 (Post 1208482)
There is nothing prohibiting your robot from being in more than two zones at the same time, just touching the pyramid in more than two zones. The robot to which you are referring does not make a legal climb because it does not touch the bars in sequential order.
The grapple-bot climb in the animation is completely legal and valid. Watch the animation carefully. It never contacts more than two zones at any time, and the ones it does touch are contacted in sequential order.

-dave


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BlueNova 06-01-2013 00:15
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1208591)
Students only.
Define Student. I am a college Freshman, but I am still 18. In fact, one of our students on the team is older than me (don't ask me how the dates worked out, I don't know).

vhcook 06-01-2013 00:21
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueNova (Post 1208613)
Define Student. I am a college Freshman, but I am still 18. In fact, one of our students on the team is older than me (don't ask me how the dates worked out, I don't know).
FEEDER: a pre-college TEAM member that feeds DISCS to ROBOTS.

Source: definitions section of the rules.

cad321 06-01-2013 00:27
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 1208610)
The grapple-bot climb in the animation is completely legal and valid. Watch the animation carefully. It never contacts more than two zones at any time, and the ones it does touch are contacted in sequential order.

-dave


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Would this grappling design not go against the height restrictions. Even when touching the pyramid (assuming you are shooting the grapple over the pyramid), the grapple would be shot over 120" high, much more than the 84" max.

Hallry 06-01-2013 00:33
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cad321 (Post 1208621)
Would this grappling design not go against the height restrictions. Even when touching the pyramid (assuming you are shooting the grapple over the pyramid), the grapple would be shot over 120" high, much more than the 84" max.
Then no, since it's height is higher than 84''.

dellagd 06-01-2013 00:35
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I think a lot of teams are going "Oh yeah, just sequentially climb to the top... easy!"

Not quite I believe :D

vhcook 06-01-2013 00:42
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cad321 (Post 1208621)
Would this grappling design not go against the height restrictions. Even when touching the pyramid (assuming you are shooting the grapple over the pyramid), the grapple would be shot over 120" high, much more than the 84" max.
The blue grapplebot we watch going up only gets to the second crossbar, not the top, so the 84" rule shouldn't be an issue. Now that Dave has kindly pointed it out, I noticed it sort of levering its chassis up on the first crossbar and hop-lifting its wheels just before it hooks up on 2.

Joon Park 06-01-2013 00:52
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1208536)
Consider what happens if you accidentally hit an opponent's climbing robot...
Actually, there's nothing in the rules as far as I can see that would penalize you for that. Now that I've said this, I'm sure it'll be fixed.

Also, I'm going to have to disagree with the optimistic human player predictions. I'm the best ultimate player in an 80 student team, and I feel like I would have a very hard time getting one in a goal in 30 seconds with an infinite number of discs, nevermind in a real game situation. Throwing a hammer almost 54ft over a 6.5ft wall accurately seems difficult, to say the least.

Radical Pi 06-01-2013 01:02
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joon Park (Post 1208643)
Actually, there's nothing in the rules as far as I can see that would penalize you for that. Now that I've said this, I'm sure it'll be fixed.
Nope.

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Originally Posted by G16
TEAMS and/or ROBOTS may not employ strategies that use DISCS to either aid or inhibit a ROBOT CLIMB.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL. If the DISC(S) inhibits an opponent’s CLIMB attempt, the opponent ROBOT’S ALLIANCE is awarded points for a successful Level 3 CLIMB.

BlueNova 06-01-2013 01:04
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joon Park (Post 1208643)
Also, I'm going to have to disagree with the optimistic human player predictions. I'm the best ultimate player in an 80 student team, and I feel like I would have a very hard time getting one in a goal in 30 seconds with an infinite number of discs, nevermind in a real game situation. Throwing a hammer almost 54ft over a 6.5ft wall accurately seems difficult, to say the least.
Why would you throw Hammer? It is great for distance, but you can't do it accurately. Just practice Backhand throws with a curve to the left.

Joon Park 06-01-2013 01:06
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Oh goodie, my extreme fear of hitting opposing robots as human player has returned. Just another good reason not to expect points from human players.

Joon Park 06-01-2013 01:08
Re: Official Ultimate Ascent Thread!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueNova (Post 1208652)
Why would you throw Hammer? It is great for distance, but you can't do it accurately. Just practice Backhand throws with a curve to the left.
I'd hate for this thread to become an ultimate discussion, but...

I can't imagine a high-release backhand over the alliance wall will make it very far. And hammers tend to be pretty accurate if you ask me. Maybe I'm just odd, but my hammers are actually more accurate than my backhands.


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