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Brandon Zalinsky 05-01-2013 18:07

Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I wanted to make a thread in which we could share our high scores in Catalyst 2013 in 1v0 matches. Mine's 87, currently. I'm sure I will get topped immediately, what are you guys at?

Sean M 05-01-2013 18:23

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
My first real attempt got 70 using Cannon and hang for 30. Working on practicing and getting more.

EDIT: Gah, you updated your high score, haha.

Brandon Zalinsky 05-01-2013 18:40

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean M (Post 1208191)
My first real attempt got 70 using Cannon and hang for 30. Working on practicing and getting more.

EDIT: Gah, you updated your high score, haha.

Yeah, I'm trying to perfect my strategy. I'm using Cannon too, the only other one that looks like it'd be better is the Walking Tall, but I can't figure out how to lower the elevator. Also, my proof:


Sean M 05-01-2013 18:44

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Haha, nice! I tried using Walking Tall but also can't figure out how to lower the lift. I have tried every button. Anyway, more runs on Catalyst tonight...great program! Very enlightening as to how the game will run, too.

Brandon Zalinsky 05-01-2013 18:46

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean M (Post 1208217)
Haha, nice! I tried using Walking Tall but also can't figure out how to lower the lift. I have tried every button. Anyway, more runs on Catalyst tonight...great program! Very enlightening as to how the game will run, too.

It's still in beta, so I'm sure they'll fix it for the final release. Very true about how the game will run. I laughed so hard when it started raining frisbees with :30 left.

Joon Park 05-01-2013 18:48

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
So I remember last year, Catalyst failed to be any help at all in our brainstorm/design process. Is it any different this year?

Tommy F. 05-01-2013 19:03

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flak-Bait (Post 1208209)
Yeah, I'm trying to perfect my strategy. I'm using Cannon too, the only other one that looks like it'd be better is the Walking Tall, but I can't figure out how to lower the elevator.

Someone said the same thing on Diamond Bullet Studios's forums, and they said that it would be fixed in the first update.

BobbyVanNess 05-01-2013 19:04

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Could someone help me? I'm at the queuing screen, but i cant figure out how to start the match. what do you have to click?

Sean M 05-01-2013 19:10

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Hit "Alt" (Left or Right depending on which keyboard you chose) to Select and move on.

And the raining frisbees were quite hilarious...

Peyton Yeung 05-01-2013 19:12

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I just can't stand arcade drive. I wish there was a tank drive option. Oh well. My high scores only 50.

inkspell4 05-01-2013 19:41

The walking tail is amazing i scored 60 in one match

It is lowered on the xbox controller using the right analog stick

In the pause menu you can access the controls

Tommy F. 05-01-2013 20:08

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Just got 98 with Walking Tall using my controller. :D

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVFqmLK1wMg

Is it just me or is there not any sound?

ttldomination 05-01-2013 20:21

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean M (Post 1208243)
Hit "Alt" (Left or Right depending on which keyboard you chose) to Select and move on.

And then what do you do in queuing...?

- Sunny G.

gabrielau23 05-01-2013 20:25

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 1208328)
And then what do you do in queuing...?

- Sunny G.

Same thing......

ttldomination 05-01-2013 20:35

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1208330)
Same thing......

Yeah, I saw that one the forums.

What's the deal with climbing? Hitting caps locks just seems to make it twitch...

- Sunny G.

stundt1 05-01-2013 20:36

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 


No hanging used. I used the dumper robot. I finally broke 100 :)

Strategy for walking tall:
First score 4 in auto top.
Then Score all 6 color frisbees.
Finally keep scoring the white discs on top level.

Curtis Todd 05-01-2013 20:54

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 1208341)
Yeah, I saw that one the forums.

What's the deal with climbing? Hitting caps locks just seems to make it twitch...

- Sunny G.

In this version of the game, to climb a side of the pyramid, the robot needs to be backed up to the bar and almost perfectly centered. In our first update to the game, we will be making it where you don't have to line up perfectly to climb.

ferrari77 05-01-2013 21:06

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
The Walking tall robot seems to be pretty good
but there is no way a robot like that could be legal, right?
The high goal is around 104 inches high and if your robot is limited to 84 inches you cannot dump frisbees into it like in the simulator?
Am I missing something?

Justin Montois 06-01-2013 02:25

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joon Park (Post 1208225)
So I remember last year, Catalyst failed to be any help at all in our brainstorm/design process. Is it any different this year?

I think if you didn't find it useful last year then you probably won't find it useful this year.

Our team on the other hand proved through playing Catalyst 2012 that a middle basket scorer could compete with above average top basket scorers, which, as you saw on the field, proved correct.

Having said that, I believe this year's version is less useful, but your mileage may vary.

Lydia Yeckley 06-01-2013 14:48

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
After staying up and playing Catalyst until 2am with just my keyboard on my laptop, I posted a score of 84. However, I've already asked to barrow an Attack 3 joystick for tonight.

xSAWxBLADEx 12-01-2013 22:38

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Mine with Walking Tall :)

Chris is me 12-01-2013 22:43

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
You guys are amateurs.


xSAWxBLADEx 12-01-2013 23:04

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1214039)
You guys are amateurs.

HACKS!!! But, Seriously good job! How many times did you have to restart it?

F22Rapture 13-01-2013 00:39

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
How do you lower the shooter on Walking Tall after you raise it? Both are supposedly bound to Left Ctrl but pressing it again does nothing.

Chris is me 13-01-2013 08:46

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1214052)
HACKS!!! But, Seriously good job! How many times did you have to restart it?

This had to be my 30th or 40th attempt. I average just over 100.

As for Walk Tall's keyboard controls, I don't know them. I still use the same wired Xbox controller I used to play 5th Gear 2010 when it first came out, lol.

Strategy is pretty simple: 4 discs in auto, usually one run of discs in teleop before going for the colored discs. If you do it efficiently enough that you're out of discs just before the 30 second mark (if you're going for high score, you should), then you go get the last two red disks. The last 30 seconds is really where high speed scoring is at.

xSAWxBLADEx 13-01-2013 22:44

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
:) try to beat this 6 discs in auto., 4 discs in 5pts, and the rest just white in 3pts.
(if you run to feeder station for 2 red, you get more pts. by getting 4 white.)

...and do the bonus still count in the real game if the HP knock your red/blue frisbees out?

xSAWxBLADEx 18-01-2013 13:08

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
played again today, and got even higher :)

(only 4 bonus disks, I found out 4 bonus disks and 4 regular disks > 6 bonus discs)

Nick Lawrence 18-01-2013 13:24

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
99 using Cannon, no hanging, no pyramid goal bonus discs.

-Nick

xSAWxBLADEx 18-01-2013 13:34

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence (Post 1218006)
99 using Cannon, no hanging, no pyramid goal bonus discs.

-Nick

wow! nice, can you share how you did that? where you lined up to shoot, etc

Nick Lawrence 18-01-2013 13:37

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1218011)
wow! nice, can you share how you did that? where you lined up to shoot, etc

Started in Blue 2, shot 4 in auto. Then ran shooting cycles from the discs in the center of the field. Shot from inside the pyramid lined up with the blue line at the back of the structure. As for end game, you should be running your last shooting cycle by about 40-35 seconds to go, but shoot them with the back of the robot halfway through the shadow of the pyramid, then just keep grabbing two from the human player thrown discs and shooting them from there. All discs go into the high goal.

-Nick

JesseK 18-01-2013 14:28

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
So is it just me, or is that walking tall bot totally illegal? They should also put the perspective at eye level with the driver stations rather than well above the driver's station.

More videos please!

Very insightful.

Tommy F. 18-01-2013 17:27

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1218031)
So is it just me, or is that walking tall bot totally illegal?

Walking Tall is completely illegal. DBS said they would fix the height so that it was legal in an update coming this Sunday.

Dukenator76 23-01-2013 19:44

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
My score 102
I am on Team 1458 Red Tie Robotics i played the new update
And i dont know how to attach a photo of it but if you tell me i can attach it

xSAWxBLADEx 23-01-2013 23:30

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 


Highest Score with the update :) Still waiting for chris.is.me to beat me...
(To attach a photo just use [IMG][/""] Tags)

Chris is me 23-01-2013 23:53

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I haven't been able to get Walking Tall to consistently go in after the update. Any tips?

Instead I've been trying to use the upgraded Cannon hanger design to get up there, and I'm at like the 105 level with that. I bet with enough skill I could do it, the problem is once you run out of field discs there are massive diminishing returns on going to the human player for points and you just can't get above that threshold 2 discs at a time. Walk Tall has the red discs as an option and holds 4 so that's why it can get better scores... Now I just gotta make the new design go in the goal every time.

I'll have time to attack your high score this weekend, robotics is eating all of my time that school didn't already consume.

xSAWxBLADEx 24-01-2013 00:13

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1220937)
I haven't been able to get Walking Tall to consistently go in after the update. Any tips?

start at red 2, get the one frisbee from under the tower so you have 4, score turn around get the 2 (6 in auto.) then clear the middle, 4 red, 1 run of 4 white frisbees, and quick score in the last 20 seconds.

(you have to line up perfectly, take your time)

Chris is me 24-01-2013 00:16

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
That's the general strategy I'm using, the problem is for some reason when I'm up against the wall about half of my frisbees don't make it into the goal. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong. I'll take video next time I do it.

xSAWxBLADEx 24-01-2013 00:17

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1220949)
That's the general strategy I'm using, the problem is for some reason when I'm up against the wall about half of my frisbees don't make it into the goal. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong. I'll take video next time I do it.

I usually hold the joystick so I don't move back at all.

Chris is me 24-01-2013 16:38

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I found out the problem. I play with an Xbox controller, and for Walk Tall, the spit speed seems to be determined by how hard you hit the A button.

Since I didn't like smacking my thumb every time i wanted to score, I switched to the cannon. My high score with that is 120, which is within 8 points of the mighty Original Walk Tall.


xSAWxBLADEx 24-01-2013 17:07

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1221263)
I found out the problem. I play with an Xbox controller, and for Walk Tall, the spit speed seems to be determined by how hard you hit the A button.

Since I didn't like smacking my thumb every time i wanted to score, I switched to the cannon. My high score with that is 120, which is within 8 points of the mighty Original Walk Tall.

http://i.imgur.com/uCV50IR.jpg

...and 5 points away from the updated walking tall! Great job, I cant get the shooting spot down for cannon :/

stingray27 24-01-2013 17:16

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1221276)
...and 5 points away from the updated walking tall! Great job, I cant get the shooting spot down for cannon :/

If you run into the tower (the side closest to "you" and so it is pointing straight at where you are trying to score), you will score 3 pointers. With this, I am able to clear out the entire middle field frisbees, get 24 pts in auton, and climb for a 30, getting on average 114 pts total. Not as good as the walking tall but thats all I can get with the cannon...

Chris is me 24-01-2013 17:29

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1221276)
...and 5 points away from the updated walking tall! Great job, I cant get the shooting spot down for cannon :/

With the hanger, just drive into the tower from the far side. Without a hanger, either have your back bumper even with the colored line, or have the back half of your robot in the shadow of the tower for a closer shot.

Red / Blue 1 can turn slightly and make shots in auto.

xSAWxBLADEx 24-01-2013 23:44

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1221291)
With the hanger, just drive into the tower from the far side. Without a hanger, either have your back bumper even with the colored line, or have the back half of your robot in the shadow of the tower for a closer shot.

Red / Blue 1 can turn slightly and make shots in auto.

I will stick with my baby :)

Nick Lawrence 25-01-2013 00:58

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
104 in high goal white discs, no hanging. I didn't screen cap it cause I thought I could do better, but then I got a bad case of homework. I'll try again tomorrow.

-Nick

Gregor 27-01-2013 23:34

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
119 no hanging.

EDIT:

Walking Tail


xSAWxBLADEx 28-01-2013 00:01

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1223123)
119 no hanging.

EDIT:

Walking Tail

http://i.imgur.com/a4Jaetk.png

Was that on practice?

Gregor 28-01-2013 00:09

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1223137)
Was that on practice?

No, you can't get a final score on practice.

Edit: Topped myself at 135

xSAWxBLADEx 28-01-2013 07:09

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1223144)
No, you can't get a final score on practice.

Edit: Topped myself at 135

Have you tried it? Yes, you can. That is why most of my high scores are at the end screen not the final score screen. But, if it is legit Great Job!

Gregor 28-01-2013 08:37

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1223199)
Have you tried it? Yes, you can. That is why most of my high scores are at the end screen not the final score screen. But, if it is legit Great Job!

Sorry, I've not actually tried practice mode. I just assumed it was the same as 2012.

Physicguy 28-01-2013 11:17

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
My highest score is 98 with the cannon bot design and climbed to the top level on the pyramid... but i find it hard to see that happening at competition with one bot putting up that kind of numbers.

jblay 30-01-2013 19:28

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Put up 132, so close to that 135, so difficult to beat it

jblay 30-01-2013 20:40

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
138, now i can do something a little more productive...or play around with catalyst 2012

Gregor 30-01-2013 20:56

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
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I can consistently get 141 now, but I don't see me scoring much (any) higher than that.

xSAWxBLADEx 30-01-2013 21:07

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1224885)
I can consistently get 141 now, but I don't see me scoring much (any) higher than that.

You Win!

jblay 31-01-2013 21:14

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
i hit 141 too, passing that is pretty improbable though, unless an hp hits a shot.

jblay 05-02-2013 12:50

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 


Please no one beat this score. I need to stop playing this game.

Gregor 05-02-2013 15:55

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1228040)


Please no one beat this score. I need to stop playing this game.

Great... I'm supposed to be building a robot. Now I have to beat it.

jblay 05-02-2013 16:13

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1228213)
Great... I'm supposed to be building a robot. Now I have to beat it.

Try to make your post saying that you achieved 143 points be your 694th post.

xSAWxBLADEx 20-02-2013 00:13

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
As our robot got bag and tagged :)

jblay 20-02-2013 00:37

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Sorry chief

xSAWxBLADEx 24-02-2013 18:08

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
My cannon high score. :)


jblay 24-02-2013 18:26

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1239796)
My cannon high score. :)


There goes my saturday

xSAWxBLADEx 24-02-2013 19:19

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Lol! I'm sorry...

Gregor 24-02-2013 19:20

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1239805)
There goes my saturday

Don't you have webcasts to watch/events to spectate. Priorities, CMON!

jblay 25-02-2013 18:53

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 


Must go into competition with all possible catalyst records. Cannon record achieved.

Gregor 16-03-2013 16:54

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Cannon no climber-

117 points, including 48 point auto.

Gregor 16-03-2013 18:54

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1240325)


Must go into competition with all possible catalyst records. Cannon record achieved.


Sorry :rolleyes:

xSAWxBLADEx 27-03-2013 00:49

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1248857)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/f6tXCj6.jpg[IMG]
Sorry :rolleyes:


This is the highest I can get with the new update. The new update really changes the traction, making it hard to turn. :/

Chris is me 27-03-2013 00:53

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I think I've hit 120 a few times with Cannon No Climber after the update, but I know Gregor has hit a higher score than that.

I think my max is like 59 or something with Ri3D.

xSAWxBLADEx 27-03-2013 01:00

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1253304)
I think I've hit 120 a few times with Cannon No Climber after the update, but I know Gregor has hit a higher score than that.

I think my max is like 59 or something with Ri3D.

I cant get even 3 pts with Ri3D...

Chris is me 27-03-2013 01:19

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1253309)
I cant get even 3 pts with Ri3D...

You kinda have to jam it into the center of the pyramid, but not too hard, to get 3 point shots working right. Takes a few minutes to figure out.

Gregor 27-03-2013 10:47

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1253304)
I think I've hit 120 a few times with Cannon No Climber after the update, but I know Gregor has hit a higher score than that.

I think my max is like 59 or something with Ri3D.

This was a 48 point auto, all white disks off the floor, 2 trips to the feeder station, 1 red disk, 5 blue disks, and 1 blue disk in the pyramid goal. The score should have been 135, the HP got me 2 points.


xSAWxBLADEx 27-03-2013 12:33

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Can you post a Faps of your gameplay, because I don't understand this 42 pt auto...I can only get 36.

Gregor 27-03-2013 13:07

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1253448)
Can you post a Faps of your gameplay, because I don't understand this 42 pt auto...I can only get 36.

Start in blue 1. Turn a little bit, score your 2 preloads. Grab the 2 middle disks and shoot under the shadow. Grab the 2 front disks, *shoot 1 under the shadow and one at the blue line without stopping*, then go straight back to the centre, grab the 2 disks, and shoot them from the blue line. With this method I can score 8 disks and grab 2 more disks in auto.

I'll try and record a video later, but I'm running it on a Macbook and don't have the software installed. Anyone have some decent screen recording programs they can reccomend?


*It is important in this step to not stop, shoot as you move back.

Chris is me 27-03-2013 15:18

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
QuickTime can do screen capture too now. Not the best frame rate every time but it will work.

You can also do an 8 disc auto from Blue 2 and going backwards, but it's a bit slower. I find it easier with an Xbox controller for some reason.

xSAWxBLADEx 27-03-2013 18:58

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Finally all the alliance disks :)


That is going to be my max, unless they release a better update.

Gregor 04-04-2013 18:48

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
You can get the disks below the pyramid in autonomous.

Gregor 12-05-2013 18:14

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Cannon no climber. 138

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLORl...ature=youtu.be

Anthony Galea 12-05-2013 21:25

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Walking Tall, update:

I stopped playing for a while, and now I can't even come close with it.

Gregor 13-05-2013 00:06

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3175student17 (Post 1274442)
Walking Tall, update:

I stopped playing for a while, and now I can't even come close with it.

I've not been able to score reliably in the 3 pt. goal with walking tail post update. The disks sometimes just barely fall in, but most of the tome they wont reach the goal.

Anthony Galea 13-05-2013 07:49

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1274509)
I've not been able to score reliably in the 3 pt. goal with walking tail post update. The disks sometimes just barely fall in, but most of the tome they wont reach the goal.

You have to hit the wall, and then barely move back. That should help.

rwkling1 13-05-2013 11:37

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
I believe my highest score was around 138. I played it way too much for about 3 days.

Anthony Galea 13-05-2013 11:44

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rwkling1 (Post 1274582)
I believe my highest score was around 138. I played it way too much for about 3 days.

Exactly. If you look at the time on my photo, it says that I played past midnight. I was really irritable at our event that day. I just posted it because I never got around to it.

Chris is me 19-05-2013 14:55

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Pardon the thread bump, but some of us just finished finals and now are back to their Catalyst habit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3175student17 (Post 1274442)
Walking Tall, update:

I stopped playing for a while, and now I can't even come close with it.

I have no idea how you can score more than 129 points. That's every disc on the floor, with a seven disc auto, and all six colored discs in the tower. Even one cycle from the human player would raise that total to 141.

Anthony Galea 19-05-2013 15:15

Re: Catalyst 2013 High Scores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1275930)
I have no idea how you can score more than 129 points. That's every disc on the floor, with a seven disc auto, and all six colored discs in the tower. Even one cycle from the human player would raise that total to 141.

7 disc auto, grab 4 at the center, then do three cycles from the feeder station, pick up all the centers except for the three shown, and in the last 30 seconds, hope that your human player throws the coloreds in a convenient spot.


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