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Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by MikeE (Post 1209711)

I see the modifications to rule T6 as being a close proxy for coopertition this season.

The rule now means that a team risks being disqualified from a Qualification match if any of its partners do not have an inspected robot, even if they only bring a representative to the field and not their robot.

It provides a fairly strong incentive for everyone to help the less able teams to pass inspection early.

That's an old rule.
At Alamo we had a team get their whole Alliance disqualified because a team that didn't pass inspection sent their human player out and he refused to leave the field when he was told to by his partners. We found out afterwards that the student was told by his mentor if he came back to the pit before the match was through he was going to be walking home. Way to to inspire the kids.

Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1208822)

I called it the We Fell Really Bad That Your So Bad Here Have An Award Award.

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Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1208932)

Me too. Dare I call the award "pointless."

Glad to see coopertition go and accurate rankings to (hopefully) arrive.

This really is not in the spirit of First my friends. Winning is very important but it is not everything.;)

Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 1209070)

While it is true that the first order sort was by QS, the RS was the second order sort, and many times seeding positions were determined by the second order sort. The point I was making in the original post was that the effect of the coopertition portion of the game became greater over time, culminating in 2012 when coopertition was almost as important as win/loss, and teams could sabotage other teams by denying them those points (a team cannot control its own destiny). And suddenly this year, there is zero, zip, nada, nothing in the way of seeding by coopertition.

So your complaint is that you can no longer sabotage other teams by sand bagging a match?

Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by ender2112 (Post 1209732)

This really is not in the spirit of First my friends. Winning is very important but it is not everything.;)

Well I'm glad you have an appreciation of poorly thought out awards.

Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1209724)

Thanks Ed.

Clearly I've spent too much time over the past several years focusing on the Robot rules and not enough on the Tournament rules.

Re: No Coopertition bonus?

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1209736)

So your complaint is that you can no longer sabotage other teams by sand bagging a match?

Wait...WHAT???

Where did you ever here me complain? I simply pointed out that there is no seeding bonus for coopertition this year, when in the past they have made it more important every year. I didn't give a positive or negative opinion of that fact, just pointed it out.

Just for completeness, I was never a fan of using anything for seeding other than the performance of the teams. I believe we are playing a game, and in general, teams that play the game better than others should be rewarded. I LIKE the fact that there is no coopertition bonus, so I wouldn't "complain" about it.

By the way, there is nothing this year to stop you from "sabotaging other teams by sandbagging a match". You could still intentionally lose a match and deny QS points to two other teams, but I can't think of a scenario where that would be acceptable to anyone.