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slijin 06-01-2013 16:15
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimera0x694 (Post 1209125)
You MUST throw OVER the wall. We had one of the Michigan FRC advisers elaborate. You are not allowed to throw discs to the side of the walls.
Hope this helped!:)
Yes, indeed; thank you.

Out of curiosity, do you remember who this person was?

iPenguin 06-01-2013 16:21
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
If you wanted to throw around the wall, you may be in violation of these 2.

G36
Quote:
During the MATCH, TEAMS must be within their ALLIANCE STATION. Exceptions will be granted for inadvertent or inconsequential infractions and in cases concerning safety.
G37
Quote:
TEAMS may not extend any body part into the FIELD or contact any ROBOT at any time during the MATCH.

ericbanker 06-01-2013 16:28
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
I don't mean to Hijack this thread but it does have a very broad title so I figured I'd post my question here rather than make a new thread. According to R03:
Quote:
The ROBOT must satisfy the following size constraints:

a. total length of the FRAME PERIMETER sides may not exceed 112 in. (see Figure 4-1 for examples),
b. PLAYING CONFIGURATION horizontal dimensions may never exceed a 54 in. diameter vertical cylinder (see G23), and
c. height may never exceed 84 in. tall.
Do "HORIZONTAL" dimensions mean perpendicular to the floor or flush with the robot frame and bumpers? Also, does "PLAYING CONFIGURATION" mean at all times during the match, or is climbing a different configuration? Can a robot extend outside the 54" diameter cylinder while suspending itself on the pyramid?

PayneTrain 06-01-2013 16:29
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
I'd expect interpretation/clarification on Wednesday, but to inject my useless opinion, it doesn't seem likely enough to happen nor enough of an anti-competitive strategy to warrant a change.

Karibou 06-01-2013 16:38
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericbanker (Post 1209136)
Are "HORIZONTAL" dimensions mean perpendicular to the floor or flush with the robot frame and bumpers?
As far as I've seen, nobody has come up with a quote from the rules to answer this for sure. In the past, it has been relative to the robot (which is what I believe you mean when you say "flush with the robot frame and bumpers")

Quote:
Originally Posted by ericbanker (Post 1209136)
Also, does "PLAYING CONFIGURATION" mean at all times during the match, or is climbing a different configuration? Can a robot extend outside the 54" diameter cylinder while suspending itself on the pyramid?
From the glossary:
"PLAYING CONFIGURATION: The physical configuration and orientation of the ROBOT while playing the game (i.e. after the MATCH has started, and the ROBOT has deployed mechanisms, moved away from the starting location, and/or interacted with the field, GAME PIECES, or other ROBOTS). This configuration is dynamic, and may change multiple times during the course of a single MATCH."

As soon as auton begins and your robot moves in any way, it is then in playing configuration for the remainder of the match, including when climbing.

DrakusDarkus 06-01-2013 16:41
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Well it seems I should just change the title of this thread to Questions and Answers about the rules for Ultimate Ascent (It seems to have evolved)

ericbanker 06-01-2013 16:44
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 1209145)
As far as I've seen, nobody has come up with a quote from the rules to answer this for sure. In the past, it has been relative to the robot (which is what I believe you mean when you say "flush with the robot frame and bumpers")



From the glossary:
"PLAYING CONFIGURATION: The physical configuration and orientation of the ROBOT while playing the game (i.e. after the MATCH has started, and the ROBOT has deployed mechanisms, moved away from the starting location, and/or interacted with the field, GAME PIECES, or other ROBOTS). This configuration is dynamic, and may change multiple times during the course of a single MATCH."

As soon as auton begins and your robot moves in any way, it is then in playing configuration for the remainder of the match, including when climbing.
Okay, thank you for the clarification on that. I was trying to determine how the robots climbed in the Catalyst game simulator, and it seemed like they would have to extend past the cylinder by the way they climb. Then again, they also have to defy gravity to swing back in place to climb further than the first pyramid rung.

DrakusDarkus 06-01-2013 16:50
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericbanker (Post 1209152)
Okay, thank you for the clarification on that. I was trying to determine how the robots climbed in the Catalyst game simulator, and it seemed like they would have to extend past the cylinder by the way they climb. Then again, they also have to defy gravity to swing back in place to climb further than the first pyramid rung.
Interesting...

Hopefully no robots fall down from level 3 this year (that would be catostrophic)

bargy101 06-01-2013 16:55
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Also about the colored discs, where are they located during the match? And do you have to wait until the end game to distribute them, or can you throughout the match?

CalTran 06-01-2013 17:00
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargy101 (Post 1209162)
Also about the colored discs, where are they located during the match? And do you have to wait until the end game to distribute them, or can you throughout the match?
Colored discs are located behind the corresponding Alliance wall. The has, so far, been no restriction on when the discs can be introduced to the field, though there are restrictions as far as the method of introduction goes.

DrakusDarkus 06-01-2013 19:04
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
New question: Would it be a good strategy to backup so that your robot is touching the pyramid and then shoot goals so that other robots cant touch you?

Suitster 06-01-2013 19:24
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
Quote:
New question: Would it be a good strategy to backup so that your robot is touching the pyramid and then shoot goals so that other robots cant touch you?
That would be a good strategy to use in order to avoid "external aim adjustment"

Randomness 06-01-2013 19:30
Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent
 
I have a question: Does anyone know if you allowed to extend part of a robot into the 1 pt. goals?

G12 says "Robots may not contact anything outside the FIELD." The penalty is being disabled, so anything that risks this is pretty much out of the question.

Arena rule 2.2.1 says that "The FIELD for ULTIMATE ASCENT is a 27 by 54 ft. carpeted area, bounded by ALLIANCE WALLS, FEEDER STATIONS, LOW GOALS, and GUARDRAILS."

So would it be okay to extend into the goal, as long as you don't touch anything? Or is the back of the low goal the boundary, and so you have free reign inside the goal?


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