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nuggetsyl 07-01-2013 22:27
Robot climbing times
 
Ok whats you guess on how long it will take to climb to the top of the tower?

z_beeblebrox 07-01-2013 22:28
Re: Robot climbing times
 
If our lead drivetrain/ climbing device mentor's idea works like he says it might, below 4 seconds.

Mongai 07-01-2013 22:29
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1210336)
If our lead drivetrain/ climbing device mentor's idea works like he says it might, below 4 seconds.
I would really like some insight on that idea.

Mr. Lim 07-01-2013 22:35
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place them into the goal.

nuggetsyl 07-01-2013 22:37
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 1210348)
Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place the 6 discs into the goal.

Did I say 6? I meant 6. Oops!
Dont miss one of the six beacsue it will cost you if you do

z_beeblebrox 07-01-2013 22:41
Re: Robot climbing times
 
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Originally Posted by Mongai (Post 1210339)
I would really like some insight on that idea.
I'm sure we'll post after either a successful or a failed prototype.

nuggetsyl 07-01-2013 22:42
Re: Robot climbing times
 
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Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1210355)
I'm sure we'll post after either a successful or a failed prototype.
If you are successful you would be nuts to post this advantage until after build is done.

Donut 07-01-2013 22:55
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 1210348)
Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place them into the goal.
You might get yellow/red carded for this intentional rule violation.

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The Head Referee may assign a YELLOW or RED CARD as a result of egregious ROBOT or Team member behavior at the ARENA.

Examples of egregious behavior include, but are not limited to, severe and/or repeated violations of a rule and inappropriate behavior.

Gregor 07-01-2013 23:04
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 1210348)
Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place them into the goal.
Similar idea, but we would rather carry 4. No risk of negative points if you miss a disk, plus you don't have to design for carrying 6, whereas the rest of the match you would be carrying 4 (assuming you are using the same mechanism for white and coloured disks, which may be a big assumption, but hey, what do I know?).

mdituri 07-01-2013 23:08
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donut (Post 1210372)
You might get yellow/red carded for this intentional rule violation.
Last season (and I don't know if there was a similar rule off the top of my head about repeated violations) teams would use the strategy of taking a 3 point penalty in automomous to hold and score the extra basketball from the bridge. They were net +3 points. It wasn't considered to be an "intentional" rule violation, but a strategy. It wasn't malicious or damaging, which is what I think the yellow/red card rule applies. If someone intentionally broke the hitting people while in the protected zone rule every match, to cause them to misfeed, that could be considered intentional rule violation.

Gregor 07-01-2013 23:08
Re: Robot climbing times
 
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Originally Posted by mdituri (Post 1210390)
Last season (and I don't know if there was a similar rule off the top of my head about repeated violations) teams would use the strategy of taking a 3 point penalty in automomous to hold and score the extra basketball from the bridge. They were net +3 points. It wasn't considered to be an "intentional" rule violation, but a strategy. It wasn't malicious or damaging, which is what I think the yellow/red card rule applies. If someone intentionally broke the hitting people while in the protected zone rule every match, to cause them to misfeed, that could be considered intentional rule violation.
Like who?

Hallry 07-01-2013 23:09
Re: Robot climbing times
 
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Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1210394)
Like who?
I believe 341 and/or 67 might have used this strategy last year in autonomous.

nuggetsyl 07-01-2013 23:10
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1210394)
Like who?
Since we went off topic pretty quick. 341 did it and were IMO the best all around robot in 2012.

Gregor 07-01-2013 23:12
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1210397)
I believe 341 and/or 67 might have used this strategy last year in autonomous.
Okay, I'm curious now. Got any video? :D

Donut 07-01-2013 23:14
Re: Robot climbing times
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdituri (Post 1210390)
Last season (and I don't know if there was a similar rule off the top of my head about repeated violations) teams would use the strategy of taking a 3 point penalty in automomous to hold and score the extra basketball from the bridge. They were net +3 points. It wasn't considered to be an "intentional" rule violation, but a strategy. It wasn't malicious or damaging, which is what I think the yellow/red card rule applies. If someone intentionally broke the hitting people while in the protected zone rule every match, to cause them to misfeed, that could be considered intentional rule violation.
None of the competitions I watched or attended allowed this (then again, they may not have had it happen). I saw teams that shot the balls in their robot and then picked up additional balls afterwards, but that is not a rule violation. Regardless, last year's rulings have no bearing on this season's so I would not rely on that as an argument for why it should be legal. If a team is serious about this strategy I would ask the Q&A about it.

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Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1210357)
If you are successful you would be nuts to post this advantage until after build is done.
Indeed, a robot that could climb in 4 seconds for a guaranteed 30 points is an assured 1st pick if they aren't the top alliance captain. Most teams will have trouble lining up to hang from the bottom rung in 4 seconds!

I'm thinking more like 30 seconds to climb the top for an average climber. Most teams won't be able to climb so that still puts you in the 95th percentile


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