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Andrew Rudolph 08-01-2013 17:03

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Wow we made it! Just uploaded the Final unveil video of this crazy journey. I'm not gonna lie, I got a little emotional editing this video wrapping up the last few days. (And months really that we spent preparing for this)

In this video you will see all the systems in our bot, fully functioning under control. Including the climbing mechanism everyone has be chomping at the bit to see. Also the shooter making shot after shot, we found our sweet spot about 15' out. (You wont see Robby, he was back in the "real" world making flying cars.)

We hope that teams see these videos then go out and take what we have learned, apply it and make better, more competitive robots.

Big thanks to 1902 Exploding bacon who brought us their innovative 3-in-1 (could be 4-in-1) goal, which has high, medium goals and a loader station in one portable design (look for drawings some time soon, but you can figure it out)

http://youtu.be/BfyzbV6k02A

Keep Calm and Robot on!

lorem3k 08-01-2013 17:21

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Awesome bot! I could see it ranking near the top at some regionals. I'm not sure your lifting mechanism is entirely legal, though, as the top of the claw partially occupies level 2, putting you in 3 levels at once.

BigJ 08-01-2013 17:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lorem3k (Post 1210883)
Awesome bot! I could see it ranking near the top at some regionals. I'm not sure your lifting mechanism is entirely legal, though, as the top of the claw partially occupies level 2, putting you in 3 levels at once.

It's only a problem if it touches the level 2 parts of the pyramid.

Quote:

A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in

sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and
no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously.
Emphasis mine.

dodar 08-01-2013 17:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lorem3k (Post 1210883)
Awesome bot! I could see it ranking near the top at some regionals. I'm not sure your lifting mechanism is entirely legal, though, as the top of the claw partially occupies level 2, putting you in 3 levels at once.

Air is not considered zones; literally touching the second bar is constituted zone 2. If just being over the first bar is zone 2, how does a team hang in zone 1?

Austin2046 08-01-2013 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lorem3k (Post 1210883)
Awesome bot! I could see it ranking near the top at some regionals. I'm not sure your lifting mechanism is entirely legal, though, as the top of the claw partially occupies level 2, putting you in 3 levels at once.

it's legal because its not touching part of the pyramid that's in level 2. you can occupy as many levels as you choose at the same time but you can't contact the pyramid in more than 2 levels at once.

but yes amazing work guys.

Trying to Help 08-01-2013 17:41

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Thanks so much guys! Your videos will definitely be part of tonight's meeting!

fb39ca4 08-01-2013 17:42

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You were reaching your fingers through the loading slot, which isn't allowed.

AlexD744 08-01-2013 18:34

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Beautiful robot for such a short time span! Especially enjoyed the part with cute baby. Hopefully teams can take what you learned to make their build seasons better.

One question, I know you shot frisbees upside down in an earlier video, but now that it's complete, did you shoot any of them at the goal upside down, if so was it successful or not?

Thanks for all your hard work! I'm sure many were inspired!

Cory 08-01-2013 19:00

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If I were Car Nack my first prediction would be that robot in 3 days would seed higher than 80% of teams at any given regional.

Nice work.

Steven Donow 08-01-2013 19:12

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Awesome job! It was fun to follow this. I think this proved that teams that can shoot SHOULD have a decent accuracy in early season.

Joon Park 08-01-2013 20:20

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Just wanted to say amazing work on the robot, this whole project has helped our team IMMENSELY in the past few days. Thank you so much for your dedication.

Barry Bonzack 09-01-2013 01:37

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I feel privileged to have witnessed this. I consider this experiment a successful part of FIRST history, and a revolutionary idea on how professionals can inspire students across the globe.

What if in the future multiple groups of mentors from "Team 0000" started doing this, each picking a different aspect of that year's game to focus on?

Doug Leppard 09-01-2013 07:43

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Fantastic job on the robot. It wasn't just a robot in 3 days but a very capable one. When I saw it was a Frisbee you had to shoot, I thought this will be a challenge but you guys made it seem so easy.

This showed me why in our first two years of 1902 Exploding Bacon we made it to finals it was a privilege in working with you guys.

BTW was there any sleeping in the 72 hours?

Nominal 09-01-2013 09:04

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That was amazing hope you do well. Have you thought about receiving from the top slot at the same time to minimize your feeding time.

Dan 1038 09-01-2013 09:24

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Awesome job, guys!

Bill_B 09-01-2013 09:40

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Agree about the significance of the effort. Candid commentary is also inspirational. Not all 72 hours are on record, but enough to be quite comprehensive. Now how do we get car chases, explosions, pies-in-faces, and "that's what she said" spliced in so teens will watch? :) gangnam style? call me maybe? sandstorm?

No, really, guys, stellar work. Thanks.

ABA 09-01-2013 11:38

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what height and angle was that shooter at?
and awesome job

Siri 09-01-2013 11:57

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How far away are you guys scoring from? (like from 2:30-3:15 in the video) Awesome, awesome job!

IKE 09-01-2013 12:07

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Nice work guys.

Could the team post the total "man hours" that went into this effort and the relative years of experience of those contributors?
For those of you not sure what I am getting at, working 5 hours/day for two weeks straight will still not hit 72 hours.

My guess on it is on the order of 300-600 mentor level (persons with 4+ years of experience) hours.

sranton 09-01-2013 12:41

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I know myself as well as several member of my team have been watching your progress over the past few days. It's projects (and people) like this that make FIRST truly amazing. Great work guys, now go sleep!

Racer26 09-01-2013 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1210973)
If I were Car Nack my first prediction would be that robot in 3 days would seed higher than 80% of teams at any given regional.

Nice work.

Agreed. This robot would likely be a top 8 seed at most regionals, given decent drivers (and with 5.5 weeks to practice, they'd be ACES).

Now, the question is: How many robots will we see at competition that are nearly RI3D clones or borrow large design components like that shooter?

George1902 09-01-2013 14:35

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I know the guys pretty well, so I'll do my best to answer until they can respond...
Quote:

Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1211435)
Could the team post the total "man hours" that went into this effort and the relative years of experience of those contributors?

It looked like they had lots of help from the live feed, but this is the core team and their rookie years. They were all students on FRC teams:

Dan - 2001
Andrew - 2000
Robby - 2003
miketwalker - 2002

They said in the chat, I believe, that they worked until about midnight each night and started at 9 a.m. on Sunday and Monday. So, that's about 42 hours and over 30 years of FRC experience.

Barry Bonzack 09-01-2013 17:30

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I'm finding the humor that about this time every year someone has posted a "We have finished our robot" photo on chiefdelphi by now... and its usually a previous year's robot, some pile of parts, or something covered by a sheet, a black censor box, or a burred image.

This year those have been silenced.
One more way Robot in 3 Days has helped the community!

Littleboy 09-01-2013 17:37

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How much does the completed robot weigh?
Do you have weights of individual components? (ie: shooter, indexer, etc)

Donut 09-01-2013 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 1211487)
Agreed. This robot would likely be a top 8 seed at most regionals, given decent drivers (and with 5.5 weeks to practice, they'd be ACES).

Now, the question is: How many robots will we see at competition that are nearly RI3D clones or borrow large design components like that shooter?

I think a lot, though I don't know how many will be intentional. A low hang, high shooter, human loading robot is a solid strategy that many teams I'm sure are considering on their own though the specifics of how will vary. I know I'd rather see 5 or 10 clones of this design than robots that can't score because their indexer jams and the lifter isn't strong enough.

Awesome job guys, this is an impressive bot even if it took a normal build season.

Dan Richardson 10-01-2013 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George1902 (Post 1211561)
I know the guys pretty well, so I'll do my best to answer until they can respond...

It looked like they had lots of help from the live feed, but this is the core team and their rookie years. They were all students on FRC teams:

Dan - 2001
Andrew - 2000
Robby - 2003
miketwalker - 2002

They said in the chat, I believe, that they worked until about midnight each night and started at 9 a.m. on Sunday and Monday. So, that's about 42 hours and over 30 years of FRC experience.

Thanks for all the kind words. The man hours were significant and we do have a few years of experience under our belt. It also helps to have most commonly available products already sitting on your shelves. ( Thanks Sponsors! ) One potential take away is that most teams pull late nights at the end of the build season. Why not flip the paradigm on it's head and have those late nights upfront.

George is spot on with our years in FIRST.

One thing I'd like to add is that we severely underestimated the time it would take to shoot and edit video. Mike and Andrew spent much of the first two days working on releasing videos and the live stream. It was painful to lose the extra hands but we had additional help show up at the right times.

On the weight: I think we are in the 85-95 lbs range. We took a weight prior to mounting the lifting mechanism and we were around 72 lbs. We have a few advantages like a lighter control system but we also didn't do anything to lighten the robot. We don't have weights on the individual systems/components. I imagine they could be estimated from CAD though.

Conor Ryan 10-01-2013 22:28

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Whats the final retail cost of all the materials involved? (Just budgeting for my pre-rookie team).

Doug Leppard 10-01-2013 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George1902 (Post 1211561)
I know the guys pretty well, so I'll do my best to answer until they can respond...

It looked like they had lots of help from the live feed, but this is the core team and their rookie years. They were all students on FRC teams:

Dan - 2001
Andrew - 2000
Robby - 2003
miketwalker - 2002

They said in the chat, I believe, that they worked until about midnight each night and started at 9 a.m. on Sunday and Monday. So, that's about 42 hours and over 30 years of FRC experience.

George good to see you here. Those were great years when we were all together on1902. I miss being with the teams.

I think IR3 are that good with the 30 years of FRC made it possible to do a robot in 3 days.

Are you going to be at UCF regional, let me know when you are in the area.

danopia 10-01-2013 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Richardson (Post 1212695)
One thing I'd like to add is that we severely underestimated the time it would take to shoot and edit video. Mike and Andrew spent much of the first two days working on releasing videos and the live stream. It was painful to lose the extra hands but we had additional help show up at the right times.

The sad truth of posting a nice quantity of good-quality video for projects like this is that you almost need to bring on a dedicated videographer.

I enjoyed following your rapid build process, thanks for posting ^.^

Reanna 10-01-2013 23:13

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FANGIRL FANGIRL FANGIRL.
Wonderful robot!! Who's adorable daughter was that?

MasonMM 10-01-2013 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack (Post 1211685)
I'm finding the humor that about this time every year someone has posted a "We have finished our robot" photo on chiefdelphi by now... and its usually a previous year's robot, some pile of parts, or something covered by a sheet, a black censor box, or a burred image.

This year those have been silenced.
One more way Robot in 3 Days has helped the community!

yes! this is spot on. These guys have set the standard. If your teaser robot pic doesn't show this much progress... don't bother.

Awesome project.

kingbrandon14 10-01-2013 23:51

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Our team was following the "robotin3days" videos from the start, and we are actually designing a shooter very similar to the one you guys built. Thanks for the help!:]

Wyrdash 11-01-2013 12:44

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I'm interested in that indexer, how easy is it to get the discs from the slots into the robot, and to position the robot so it can get the discs into it?

Barry Bonzack 11-01-2013 12:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Unicorns (Post 1212759)
FANGIRL FANGIRL FANGIRL.
Wonderful robot!! Who's adorable daughter was that?

Dan's, as shown in his WAI picture.

Denise Bohnsack 11-01-2013 13:11

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After watching the Oscar nominations the other evening, I was disappointed to not see Robot In 3 Days on the list for video and directing. Oh that's right, it wouldn't be eligible until 2013!
Seriously, the video and editing by Mike and Andrew was outstanding and really enhanced the Robot in 3 days operation. Also, it provides great documentation and materials for mentors and educators for future reference. I would like to know more about Robbie's flying car project which kept being mentioned. Is this just a funny topic or one of those projects Robbie is really working on? After watching him in action on the robot project, I don't doubt he could do it. And of course, Dan, as always, is a great emcee, informative yet entertaining.
Cute baby almost stole the show!
:) Great job, all of you!

wendymom 11-01-2013 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denise Bohnsack (Post 1213060)
After watching the Oscar nominations the other evening, I was disappointed to not see Robot In 3 Days on the list for video and directing. Oh that's right, it wouldn't be eligible until 2013!
Seriously, the video and editing by Mike and Andrew was outstanding and really enhanced the Robot in 3 days operation. Also, it provides great documentation and materials for mentors and educators for future reference. I would like to know more about Robbie's flying car project which kept being mentioned. Is this just a funny topic or one of those projects Robbie is really working on? After watching him in action on the robot project, I don't doubt he could do it. And of course, Dan, as always, is a great emcee, informative yet entertaining.
Cute baby almost stole the show!
:) Great job, all of you!


Yes, Robby really does work for a company that builds flying cars. We are trying to get the team out for a field trip

Denise Bohnsack 11-01-2013 16:00

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Wendy,
What a great idea for a field trip. Go Wendy, Go!!! :)

Dan Richardson 11-01-2013 23:08

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I'm proud to call cute baby my own :-) We are thinking of doing a video just featuring her. Not sure what yet.

Yes, Robby builds flying cars. We are going to try to do some filming at his day job at some point. It's a pretty cool job.

Denise Bohnsack 13-01-2013 10:34

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Well, Robot in 3 days is an instant cult classic. We will be seeing it for years! :) I think a video featuring cute baby is a great idea and may I suggest a title? How to build a Wobot (or Bobot as she seems to call it both)
Can't wait to see it! And of course would love to see this flying car project that Robbie is working on. Good luck! We all will be watching!

Dan Richardson 16-01-2013 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denise Bohnsack (Post 1214266)
Well, Robot in 3 days is an instant cult classic. We will be seeing it for years! :) I think a video featuring cute baby is a great idea and may I suggest a title? How to build a Wobot (or Bobot as she seems to call it both)
Can't wait to see it! And of course would love to see this flying car project that Robbie is working on. Good luck! We all will be watching!

This sounds like a lot of fun! Cute baby won't stop talking about the robot. Maybe we can convince Robby to give a video tour of the Maverick, flying car.

On another note, we've created a new video addressing many of the questions that we've received. We're also giving away free stuff! Ri3d swag and left over parts from our sponsors! Check it out here.

Ether 16-01-2013 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Richardson (Post 1216528)
we've created a new video addressing many of the questions that we've received.
Check it out here.

1) Are you controlling the speed on your shooter CIMs, or just hitting them with whatever voltage the battery has at the moment?

2) Did you do any tests to see what effect changes in battery voltage1 have on the frisbee flight path?


1due to level of charge of the battery and varying levels of current being supplied to other devices on the robot



BrendanRadabaug 19-01-2013 00:33

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Hello CD, so if you saw on our Twitter ( @FRCBacon1902 ) Robot in 3 days is now sitting in our build space to poke at and use as a practice defender bot. if anyone has any more technical questions or want more specific pictures of mechanisms let us know and we can post them. if any team in Orlando wants a closer look let us know and we can figure out how to get it over to you.

did some prelim measurements and weighing, the perimeter without any kind of bumper mounts is about 103.75 inches; the weight without a battery or freebees is posted below.

Dan Richardson 21-01-2013 09:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1216553)
1) Are you controlling the speed on your shooter CIMs, or just hitting them with whatever voltage the battery has at the moment?

2) Did you do any tests to see what effect changes in battery voltage1 have on the frisbee flight path?


1due to level of charge of the battery and varying levels of current being supplied to other devices on the robot



Ether, sorry for the slow response.

The speed is controlled in terms of percentage. The Canipede allows you to apply a scalar on push button control. In this case we ranged between .75-.9 which I believe is just sending ~75-90% of the batteries voltage, ramping as quickly as possible.

The battery voltage was not recorded at the time. We occasionally tested the batteries with a battery beak and rarely operated with a full charge. As the battery died there was an audible change in the wheels speed but we had no way to measure the difference at that time. We didn't, however, notice an extreme change in performance through our testing but our targeting was hardly optimized.

As a purely subjective observation, the biggest change with a dead battery was spin up time. The wheels seemed to take longer to achieve ~ max rpm and could require some extra time between shots fired. This seems to jive with the response of a dead battery as starting and acceleration current draw should be the highest, while maintenance of speed should be relatively low.

Dan Richardson 21-01-2013 14:57

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stephmak 21-01-2013 19:09

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That is awesome!! I don't mean to tell seasoned FRC people how to solve a problem, but I think you cannot stick your fingers and hand through the feeding slot--so you might consider widening a part of yout easir robot's feeder slot to make it easier to feed frisbees into the robot. Outstanding work all around!! Now Rest!!!!

Racer26 11-03-2013 17:02

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Interesting how similar 4343's robot ended up being to Ri3D, without even trying to.

85lbs without bumper/battery, human loaded non-stacked hopper gravity fed into a CIM powered shooter with AM Pneumatic wheels (though 4343's is just one wheel), strapped to a simple 4 CIM single speed drivetrain (Ri3D 4wd, 4343=6wd drop center) with a 10 pt hang (4343's was pneumatic powered)

Seeded #3 at GTREast, finished with a record of 15-3-0, only losing 1 qualification match to 1114 by 6 pts.


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