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TheGuyz 09-01-2013 23:32
Pyramid rule clarification
 
Do the levels of the pyramid extend outside of the pyramid frame? With the exception of level 0

nathan_hui 09-01-2013 23:38
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Yes. It is implied that the levels of the pyramid extend to the full extent of the field, and no rules as of yet have nullified that interpretation.

TheGuyz 09-01-2013 23:45
Okay thanks. We were also wondering when does the next level start above each bar?

Yankeefan181 10-01-2013 00:00
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Slightly unrelated, but I thought this was a good thread to put this on. Just a heads up to everyone, FIRST has actually updated the rules without telling anyone. The initial rules that came out right before kickoff had in (in section 3.2.4.2):

"A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID in A. sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and B. no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously."

Since the floor is not counted in the definition of PYRAMID, this would mean that a robot could be contacting the floor, level 1, and level 2 and the same time. However, when I downloaded the manual today after I noticed an irregularity in the Q&A, I found the following:

"A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in A. sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and B. no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously."

This is the only difference I've seen, but I bet there's more. Just a heads up to everyone, you may want to re-download the rules.

wilsonmw04 10-01-2013 00:08
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan_hui (Post 1212051)
Yes. It is implied that the levels of the pyramid extend to the full extent of the field, and no rules as of yet have nullified that interpretation.
If this is true, then a robot this is over 30" tall could not legally climb the Pyramid. IS this the intent of the rule?

Domtech 10-01-2013 00:08
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Um, that was actually announced in the first team update.

Domtech 10-01-2013 00:11
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1212073)
If this is true, then a robot this is over 30" tall could not legally climb the Pyramid. IS this the intent of the rule?
Over 30 inches is fine, as long as you don't CONTACT it in more than 2 zones.

wilsonmw04 10-01-2013 00:12
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Is was just going to post this:

Quote:
The requirements in Section 3.1.5.2 A and B pertain to the ROBOT'S contact with the PYRAMID and/or floor within each Level, not the ROBOT'S presence in the physical space of the Level.
this makes life MUCH easier

Garten Haeska 10-01-2013 00:18
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1212081)
Is was just going to post this:



this makes life MUCH easier
Alright I thinking know what you mean but would you care to clarify?

TheGuyz 10-01-2013 00:18
Where did you see that post? I am just wondering?

nikeairmancurry 10-01-2013 00:27
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garten Haeska (Post 1212085)
Alright I thinking know what you mean but would you care to clarify?
I think this might help. So your grabbing the level 1 bar, still touching the floor, but your robot is more than 30 inches high so it extends into the airspace of level 2. But since your are not in contact with level 2 bar, you are only consider in two levels. The airspace between the bars does not count to the "what levels your in".

nitneylion452 10-01-2013 00:38
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1212090)
I think this might help. So your grabbing the level 1 bar, still touching the floor, but your robot is more than 30 inches high so it extends into the airspace of level 2. But since your are not in contact with level 2 bar, you are only consider in two levels. The airspace between the bars does not count to the "what levels your in".
Well, not quite. Being in a level's airspace is ok. It's touching the pyramid in more than 2 zones that isn't. For example, touching the floor (level 0), the bar in level 1, and the bar in level 2. Simply touching the floor and the bar in level 1 is ok, even if your robot is occupying some of level 2's airspace. The robot just can't touch the pyramid in more than 2 zones at once.

Garten Haeska 10-01-2013 00:39
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1212090)
I think this might help. So your grabbing the level 1 bar, still touching the floor, but your robot is more than 30 inches high so it extends into the airspace of level 2. But since your are not in contact with level 2 bar, you are only consider in two levels. The airspace between the bars does not count to the "what levels your in".
Yes it does! Thank you!

wilsonmw04 10-01-2013 07:07
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1212090)
I think this might help. So your grabbing the level 1 bar, still touching the floor, but your robot is more than 30 inches high so it extends into the airspace of level 2. But since your are not in contact with level 2 bar, you are only consider in two levels. The airspace between the bars does not count to the "what levels your in".
this is what I was concerned about. The clarification takes it off the table.

joshjet 10-01-2013 12:05
Re: Pyramid rule clarification
 
I'm sorry, but I guess I still don't understand completely. Does this mean that we would be unable to reach directly to the second bar while sitting on the ground?


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