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Can we go as far as to say that there will never be more than two robots successfully making level 3 climbs in the same match?

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

The only way I see three robots doing 30 point climbs in the same match is (a) at IRI or (b) a very, very luckily scheduled qualification match.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

MSC will have a match where they will have 2 or more robots that climb to the 3rd tier. I guarantee it.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

How about the relatively common Ontario finals matchup of 1114/2056/x vs 188/610/x?

I could see finals at a regional with 3 or 4 powerhouses resulting in 3 or 4 robots on a 30pt climb.

Also: @KokoEd, tell that to 190 in 2004. They climbed their bot up to the 10ft bar and spread wings to block others from hanging on the bar, during autonomous.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Thats probably dependent on if 188 plays or not. As of now, they are still not re-registered.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

They also spent at least 1 regional tipping over quite frequently trying to do so... :p

I think if you are smart enough to get up there you are smart enough to stay up there. But I also think the bar to get up to a 30 point hang is much higher than many teams realize.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Three robots will be a sight but I feel here in MAR two will be something that isnt TOO uncommon.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Moreover, the ability to climb won't necessarily translate into the act of climbing.

If a team isn't fully confident in their mechanism or doesn't want to reveal it, and they're far enough ahead based on disc points alone (which, if they can climb for 30, they probably will be), I'd be surprised if they climbed.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Some background information here. Taking a look at qualifying results from 2010 we find that:

- Israel had 1 successful hang: http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/Eve.../rankings.html
- Utah had 2 successful hangs: http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/Eve.../rankings.html
- Oregon had 3 successful hangs: http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/Eve.../rankings.html

Before someone asks, Number of Hangs = Hanging Points / (2*3), because hangs were were worth two points, and the entire alliance got credit for each successful hang performed by the alliance members.

Considering the difference in difficulty between hanging in 2010 and climbing in 2013, I think that Car Nack is definitely on the right track. (Of course Climbing is weighted significantly higher compared to the other game tasks than Hanging was to the game tasks of 2010)

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

....I'm not one for intense, snap-judgements on CD (or at least posting them 'aloud') but that has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard.

If you don't want to play in the spirit of the game, JUST STOP PLAYING.
Don't worry, that horrendous attitude towards getting around the rules? It won't be missed. Not one bit.

Might I bring this up again, because it clearly needs to be revisited:
I'm really disappointed that strategies like that even cross people's minds. We're supposed to be better than that, as a community. Why stoop to that level?

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

No need to rant, just let them get yellow/red carded.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

I don't think a Car Nack thread is an appropriate place for this discussion, and I really don't think what seems like a borderline personal attack is warranted.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Cite a rule?

We asked for a clarification of G24 in Q&A. We'll see if/how it is answered.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Section 5.5.4 YELLOW and RED CARDS

The Head Referee may assign a YELLOW or RED CARD as a result of egregious ROBOT or Team member behavior at the ARENA.

...

Examples of egregious behavior include, but are not limited to, severe and/or repeated violations of a rule and inappropriate behavior.

Re: Car Nack Prredicts 13-1
 

Wasn't anything personal, but thanks.

I don't plan on continuing this discussion here- if anyone wants to discuss it with me, PM is just fine. I don't want to hijack the thread.

1). I don't think it's particularly great that this is even an option, that any action in the game that gets you penalties also gets you awards, but

2). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to intentionally state that you want to get around the rules and play outside of the 'spirit of the game'. Something FIRST doesn't want from 'traditional' sports is that do-anything-to-win, even if it hurts someone else, attitude. It just doesn't belong here.

And with that, I'm out - because you're right, this isn't the right thread.

If anyone wants to take this up with me, send me a PM.