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mrnoble 16-01-2013 10:26

tapping CIM axles?
 
for direct drive. good idea or bad? why? any ideas on how best to accomplish? thanks!

dellagd 16-01-2013 10:30

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
What does this accomplish exactly that a keyed shaft and hub or coupling can not?

wilsonmw04 16-01-2013 10:35

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
if you don't have those things, tapping the shaft works well. We have used all three methods in the past.

Ether 16-01-2013 10:42

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1216477)
if you don't have those things, tapping the shaft works well. We have used all three methods in the past.

I wonder if this would work:

Put the CIM in the freezer for 10 minutes, drill a hole in the piece you want to connect the CIM shaft to, heat that piece nice and hot, and shrink fit it over the CIM shaft.



mrnoble 16-01-2013 11:00

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
We're using keyed hubs mounted to skateboard wheels, and would like the wheels to stay on the axle, so are tapping it to place a washer over the top. Just did one and it worked very well. Thanks!

wilsonmw04 16-01-2013 11:05

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1216483)
I wonder if this would work:

Put the CIM in the freezer for 10 minutes, drill a hole in the piece you want to connect the CIM shaft to, heat that piece nice and hot, and shrink fit it over the CIM shaft.



Hmmm, Interesting idea. I might have to try that sometime.

JamesCH95 16-01-2013 11:45

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1216483)
I wonder if this would work:

Put the CIM in the freezer for 10 minutes, drill a hole in the piece you want to connect the CIM shaft to, heat that piece nice and hot, and shrink fit it over the CIM shaft.



It's potentially easier to heat up the part you're installing on the CIM with a torch. Raising the temperature by 300-600 degrees with heat will get a bigger dimensional change than cooling by 100 deg.

When this sort of thing is done IRL (bearing races, for example) one part is usually put in an oven and heated to 300-500F and the other part is put in an alcohol bath with dry ice at -109F.

As for actually retaining something on a CIM shaft, check out the normal pinion retainer rings available from AndyMark and/or VEXPro. They may seem a little flimsy, but do a pretty great job holding on.

Ether 16-01-2013 11:57

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1216523)
It's potentially easier to heat up the part you're installing on the CIM with a torch. Raising the temperature by 300-600 degrees with heat will get a bigger dimensional change than cooling by 100 deg.

did you miss this part?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1216483)
heat that piece nice and hot




JamesCH95 16-01-2013 12:02

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1216533)
did you miss this part?





Yes, yes I did, clearly. :yikes:

thedude019 16-01-2013 14:14

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
it works just fine my team did it while prototyping. it took a while but it works just be sure not to tighten the screw to much as it can rub and not work as well but keep it tight enough so the wheel doesnt wobble or it will vibrate to much and well in prototyping lets just say i hurt my finger

Ether 16-01-2013 15:51

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedude019 (Post 1216642)
it works just fine

Please, what does the pronoun "it" refer to?

Your post is linked to this one:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...39&postcount=9



pmangels17 16-01-2013 16:39

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Silly question, but is it legal to do this? I know FIRST has very specific rules on modifying motors.

mrnoble 16-01-2013 16:59

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Yes, I think it is legal to tap the axle to mount a screw. It does not change the performance or safety of the motor, which are FIRST's concerns.

Al Skierkiewicz 16-01-2013 17:04

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
R33
The integral mechanical and electrical system of any motor may not be modified. Motors, servos, and electric solenoids used on the ROBOT shall not be modified in any way, except as follows:
A. The mounting brackets and/or output shaft/interface may be modified to facilitate the physical connection of the motor to the ROBOT and actuated part.

However, the bearings on a CIM don't like side loads at all. They are only bronze sleeve bearings.
Also, are you drilling and tapping across the shaft or down the center of the shaft?

mrnoble 16-01-2013 17:30

Re: tapping CIM axles?
 
Down the center.


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