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RonnieS

17-01-2013 22:30

Re: Shooting Vs. Time hanging 30

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Originally Posted by mikemat (Post 1217636)

IMO if your robot can get 20 points it will be in good shape. I think 50 to 80 would make you the star of most regionals. If history is anything to go by, the answer to this question is probably hang. In the games I have been a part of, only the top robots have been able to outscore the endgame, and most choose to attempt it anyway.

100% correct! I think for most teams, they need to be able to secure a 10pt hang, very easy, can do it without any moving parts. Auto will be huge too! If teams can pick up off floor and score lets say 4-5(HOT, Simbotics, etc..) they will have a huge advantage.

Andrew Schreiber

17-01-2013 22:33

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Originally Posted by Ronnie314 (Post 1217593)

Very true too, do you think there will be a large number of teams that can do a 30pt hang in under 15 seconds?

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

EricLeifermann

17-01-2013 22:36

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Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1217637)

A. It's a 60-degree pole.
B. Lots of teams will at least attempt the corner climb.

The manual says 68 degrees not 60....

RonnieS

17-01-2013 22:36

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1217641)

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

I feel like i remember your name for some reason, it is really sticking in my head! But a lot of teams might not attempt but really a 10pt hang will be the easiest thing in this game if you do it right, beside for just driving around of course.

cgmv123

17-01-2013 22:43

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1217643)

The manual says 68 degrees not 60....

Depends on how you look at it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1217641)

If the last several years of FRC games is any indicator - The overwhelming majority won't hang for 10 points let alone 30.

I disagree considering how easy it is to climb the first level.

TheOtherGuy

17-01-2013 22:43

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1217643)

The manual says 68 degrees not 60....

What happens when you rotate the pyramid 45 degrees about the vertical axis?

dellagd

17-01-2013 22:45

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1217643)

The manual says 68 degrees not 60....

If your climbing the corner, the angle you are climbing up at is 60 degrees

If you are climbing a side, you are climbing up at 68 degrees

Having the angle on the pole's diagonal into the pyramid is different than the poles angle from a face of the pyramid.

RonnieS

17-01-2013 22:53

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Why would you attempt to climb from the side? especially with the bars on the outside.

Andrew Schreiber

17-01-2013 23:02

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Originally Posted by Ronnie314 (Post 1217644)

Might be http://d.pr/i/zwM ;)

Last year if you had a drive train you could have balanced if someone let a bridge down for you... Yet in almost 60% of matches NO ONE balanced.

pfreivald

17-01-2013 23:04

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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1217664)

Might be http://d.pr/i/zwM ;)

Last year if you had a drive train you could have balanced if someone let a bridge down for you... Yet in almost 60% of matches NO ONE balanced.

...and yet we let bridges down for lots of people and didn't get a balance with them at Buckeye...

Andrew Schreiber

17-01-2013 23:07

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Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1217666)

...and yet we let bridges down for lots of people and didn't get a balance with them at Buckeye...

Proving my point that teams seem to have this lack of ability to do even the simplest tasks reliably.

RonnieS

17-01-2013 23:11

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Not that they cant, they dont have the coaching to help and guide them towards that. Teams these days try to do the hardest tasks without realizing there ability might not go beyond the simple things.

mrnoble

17-01-2013 23:11

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FIRST provides evidence that many of us are optimists. I predict matches in the single digits and low doubles for the majority of regional seeding matches.

RonnieS

17-01-2013 23:18

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Originally Posted by mrnoble (Post 1217674)

FIRST provides evidence that many of us are optimists. I predict matches in the single digits and low doubles for the majority of regional seeding matches.

Ya our districts will be the same more than likely. Michigan is hard though!

Zebra_Fact_Man

17-01-2013 23:20

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If it's any help, I think that less than less than 10% of FIRST teams will be able to outscore a 30pt hang using a 10 pt hang and disc pts accumulated during the last 30 seconds, and only 40% of teams will be able to outscore a 20pt hang during the last 30 seconds with discs and a 10pt.

If you can 30pt hang, (for most regions) that will automatically win you 60% of your qualifying matches. That's why it's so restrictive to 30pt hang this year; because it's so valuable.

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