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Re: Predicted Match Scores at Championships

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Originally Posted by coldfusion1279 (Post 1221062)

6 trips!?!?!

You are a great optimist! In 120 seconds, 6 trips would be 20 seconds per trip, including loading, lining up, and shooting. Floor loading will be scarce early in matches, so at least a couple of those trips will be to the human loader. That also discounts ~10 second minimum for getting to the tower and climbing.

Anyway, my guess isn't too far from you, but a different way. The best teams will have 5 high goals in auto = 30. 8 frisbees in high goal in tele-op = 24. 30 point climb, and 20 point colored disc dump at the top in the last few seconds. The maximum I am willing to predict is 104 points for a single robot, and that assumes that the bot excels at EVERYTHING!

I would argue that a great robot will be able to do 5 in auto in the 3 point, 14 in teleop in the 3 point, and at least a 20 point climb. Adding the 30 point climb, instead of 20, and a 20 point colored disc score would make the robot unstoppbable.

Thats 92-122 depending on climb/colored disc score.

Re: Predicted Match Scores at Championships

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Originally Posted by coldfusion1279 (Post 1221062)

Trips dont necessarily mean all the way back to the feeder station. Trip just means gathering/feeding 4 discs into the robot.

Re: Predicted Match Scores at Championships

Here are my assumptions.
Good elimination teams on Einstein will have 2 climbers and a scorer.

They will also have all three robots participating in auto.

My guess is 8 3 point goals in Auto - 48 points
2-30 point climbers (one with a top dump) 80 points
Somewhere in the mix the alliance will score an
additional 16 3 points 48 points
10 point climb for third robot 10 points

Total (again this is the high score...) 186 points

Now some conjecture....

If you could have two 30 point climbers that
could top dump you could have 2 more 5 pointers +10
You might be able to add another 6-3 pointers +18

Absolute finest score................... 214

Now theoretically you could have

auto 11 in auto... (which is doable...) so that would be a 66 point auto
maybe even more... but the total absolute max for auto would be
15 3 pointers.... maybe more if you could steal some from the center line.

That is a 90 point auto.
You combine that with 3 30 point climbers and all of the top scores.
that adds 90 + 30 or 120 points...

Add in 16 more 3 point scores... 48

You get a 258 (but it won't be done...)

Better chance:

1 robot fires in 45 3 point shots......shooting from full court 135 points
Autonomous 9 shot auto for 54 points...
2 climbers Plus top dump of 6 disks.... 90 points

total in this extreme case: 279

Again it won't be done...

One sees pretty quickly that a score above 200 requires an extraordinary alliance.

More than likely, scores in the 150's will be exceptional CMP scores..
As more teams recognize what a team is capable of... defense will shut some of the scoring down (at the expense of offense for the team doing the defending...)

My personal opinion is that AUTO will rule the matches..
A team can't defend the other team's good autonomous...
A good climber will cancel out another good climber...shooters can be defended....

slight differences in auto scores will make a big difference in the game.

Re: Predicted Match Scores at Championships

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Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay (Post 1221054)

I really don't think we can compare last year to this year. Yes, the point values are comparable, but there's a fundamental difference between shooting a ball into a hoop and blasting it through the back of a hole in a wall. If we want to use previous years to predict this year's scores, we should be using 2006.

I'm surprised how similar 2006 was. Distribution is tail heavier... but otherwise basically the same. :eek:

2006 Game Animation, for reference.

(3 pts per ball in high goal, 1 pt per ball in low goal, 25/10/5 for 3/2/1 robots on the ramp at the end of the match, and a 10 pt bonus to whichever alliance scores the most points in autonomous)

Draw your own conclusions about robot ability from those scores, they aren't broken out by how they were scored. For example, every match could have had a 25 pt ramp bonus... but as I recall they were not that common.

Re: Predicted Match Scores at Championships