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TheMadCADer 29-01-2013 18:49
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Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1222148)
40-0 up to the last Curie qual. If I remember correctly we lost that last match by 4 points because we opted for the coop bridge:(
Looks that way. Here's the match video. Caution: you may want to mute it if you have issues like I do with Curie being pronounced like "curry". :P

waialua359 29-01-2013 19:16
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Originally Posted by mr.roboto2826 (Post 1222132)
Durning the 2012 Season, 987 High Rollers went undefeated in not only one event but two. And almost went undefeated on curie (they lost one match).
There are many other teams that have gone undefeated in 2 events in previous years.

waialua359 29-01-2013 19:18
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Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1222183)
Omg they did what we did in 06.
And it happens to be the 2 teams I mentioned earlier.:)

karomata 30-01-2013 10:27
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In terms of being consistantly good at the robot game every year, sorted by how good:
1. 148 (Yes, I know it's very biased)
2. 1114
3. 2056
4. 111
5. 177
6. 217
7. 233
8. 1717
9. 16
10. 118

Didn't put a whole lot of time and effort into thinking about it, might post a better list later when I have more time and energy to put into it.

nikeairmancurry 30-01-2013 10:34
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Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1224446)
In terms of being consistantly good at the robot game every year, sorted by how good:
1. 148 (Yes, I know it's very biased)
2. 1114
3. 2056
4. 111
5. 177
6. 217
7. 233
8. 1717
9. 16
10. 118

Didn't put a whole lot of time and effort into thinking about it, might post a better list later when I have more time and energy to put into it.
Yeah, any list without 67 is just, wrong in my eyes.

Lil' Lavery 30-01-2013 11:34
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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1221754)
I debated that and for some reason they don't stand out in my mind as "dominant" in the same sense the other teams do so I left them off.

I do point to them as probably the most elegant robot of all time though.
1114 in 2008 was the most dominant robot since Team Hammond in 2002. While Einstein was far from their shining performance (despite winning the championship), their season as a whole merits consideration among the best seasons in FRC history. Their hybrid period scores alone would frequently beat other alliances' scores for the match. They had a period of time between the final qualification match at GTR and the first match on Einstein where they won 34 consecutive matches. In a game where the median winning score was somewhere around 50, 1114's mean scores for the season were north of 100.

2008 was one of the few games where OPR can actually provide some meaningful data and insight, and 1114's OPR absolutely blew everyone else out of the water. Their season long OPR (71.63) was 34% higher than the 2nd highest OPR (1124 at 53.27). Among individual regional event OPR's, they had the highest two by a wide marging and their week 1 event ranked 7th.

The gulf between 1114 and everyone else in 2008 was massive.

karomata 30-01-2013 11:49
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Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1224451)
Yeah, any list without 67 is just, wrong in my eyes.
I ordered my list by their average year to year performance. The better they are on average, the higher they are ranked. I wouldn't say 67 ranks in the top 10, but they are still a really good team.

Just my philosophy.

Anupam Goli 30-01-2013 11:53
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Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1224499)
I ordered my list by their average year to year performance. The better they are on average, the higher they are ranked. I wouldn't say 67 ranks in the top 10, but they are still a really good team.

Just my philosophy.

but... but... 67 has won 2 world championships back to back in 2009 and 2010! And 67's bot in 2012 was nothing short of top 5! If anything I would say, while 118's robots are beautiful and they're an amazing team, I would exclude them from that top 10 list, since they seemed to have a few off years in the past few seasons.

Andrew Schreiber 30-01-2013 12:10
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Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1224499)
I ordered my list by their average year to year performance. The better they are on average, the higher they are ranked. I wouldn't say 67 ranks in the top 10, but they are still a really good team.

Just my philosophy.
What metric did you use for performance? Because no metric I could come up with would give me anywhere near your rating.

Adam Freeman 30-01-2013 12:15
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Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1224499)
I ordered my list by their average year to year performance. The better they are on average, the higher they are ranked. I wouldn't say 67 ranks in the top 10, but they are still a really good team.

Just my philosophy.
I agree. We have only fully met our expectations 3 times in the last 8 years.

All the teams you listed are outstanding.

We will try to do better in the future.

Anupam Goli 30-01-2013 12:17
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1224514)
I agree. We have only fully met our expectations 3 times in the last 8 years.

All the teams you listed are outstanding.

We will try to do better in the future.
Words cannot describe the amazingness of this post. Too many things can be said about 67 from this one post. ;)

apalrd 30-01-2013 12:18
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Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1224499)
I wouldn't say 67 ranks in the top 10, but they are still a really good team.
The Data shows that Team 67 is the best. The sheet lists total Championship points accumulated since 2001 and derated points, and 67 is the best on both metrics.

The fact that they've won 3 out of the 4 Michigan State Championships (while being only MSC Finalists at the fourth), won the championship Chairman's award and are in the HOF, won the world championship three times, including twice in a row and twice within the past 4 years (student change-over interval) all supports this conclusion.

EricLeifermann 30-01-2013 12:19
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1224514)
I agree. We have only fully met our expectations 3 times in the last 8 years.

All the teams you listed are outstanding.

We will try to do better in the future.
You're doing better than us we're 0 for 4...

Wish we could have made it 1 for 4 and 4 for 8 for us both last year...

dodar 30-01-2013 12:38
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Originally Posted by apalrd (Post 1224518)
The Data shows that Team 67 is the best. The sheet lists total Championship points accumulated since 2001 and derated points, and 67 is the best on both metrics.

The fact that they've won 3 out of the 4 Michigan State Championships (while being only MSC Finalists at the fourth), won the championship Chairman's award and are in the HOF, won the world championship three times, including twice in a row and twice within the past 4 years (student change-over interval) all supports this conclusion.
Even though I echo most everyone's sentiments that 67 has been one of the most dominant teams in FIRST, I would have to say that 2056 takes the prize and only doesnt in your calculations because they havent been around but more than 6 years(this is their 7th). Even though 2056 has never won the NCA or the WC, they are like 16/16 at regionals and have gone to 2/6 Einsteins. Their accomplishments over the time period they have been around, to me at least, seems to be the best ratio in first.(Note, I'm considering a minimum of 5 years in FRC)

Andrew Schreiber 30-01-2013 12:55
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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1224529)
Even though I echo most everyone's sentiments that 67 has been one of the most dominant teams in FIRST, I would have to say that 2056 takes the prize and only doesnt in your calculations because they havent been around but more than 6 years(this is their 7th). Even though 2056 has never won the NCA or the WC, they are like 16/16 at regionals and have gone to 2/6 Einsteins. Their accomplishments over the time period they have been around, to me at least, seems to be the best ratio in first.(Note, I'm considering a minimum of 5 years in FRC)
Except Jim's calculations are a weighted average that more or less removes anything more than 4 years ago from the equation.


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