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Car Nack 29-01-2013 16:25

Car Nack Predicts 13-4
 
Car Nack Predicts 13-4

Unfortunately the automatic Frisbee counter will be unreliable and require the manual counting of Frisbees for many matches.

Car Nack has spoken.

Whippet 29-01-2013 16:26

Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-4
 
Well, there goes filling the frisbees with water before scoring them...

CalTran 29-01-2013 16:47

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Pairing this with getting robots down from the third level means that turn around times on matches will be pretty lengthy

Alex Cormier 29-01-2013 17:00

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I don't think it will that big of an issue. Weight systems for couting is a huge industry standard if used properly. Thats the sticking point, if they use it proeprly there should be no issues.

vhcook 29-01-2013 17:02

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I'd be surprised if it didn't have problems with frisbees partially supported by the target lip or the chains.

I expect getting the frisbees out to be an adventure as well, even though the bottoms of the goals can be pushed up.

Keyreaper 29-01-2013 17:06

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Sorry I don't know this (and I feel I should) but who is Car Nack, and what does/is he predicting? D:

JohnSchneider 29-01-2013 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyreaper (Post 1224068)
Sorry I don't know this (and I feel I should) but who is Car Nack, and what does/is he predicting? D:

He is a prophet that predicts plausible future events; sometimes even correctly

Sandvich 30-01-2013 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn (Post 1224078)
He is a prophet that predicts plausible future events; sometimes even correctly

Shush. He is right about everything.

Doug G 30-01-2013 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyreaper (Post 1224068)
Sorry I don't know this (and I feel I should) but who is Car Nack, and what does/is he predicting? D:

You are in violation of Car Nack's first rule... "You don't talk about Car Nack".

Back to the OP... I am in total agreement... 2006 all over again.

Racer26 30-01-2013 17:21

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Yup. As a field resetter: I have a serious hate on for this game already, and it hasn't even been played yet.

That said, as a competitor, I like the game.

EricH 30-01-2013 19:49

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As I recall, Car Nack has a pretty good success rating when it comes to automatic scoring. (I'd say 100%, from the prediction of manual backup being used in 2006, but I can't remember if he's made any others.)

That said, FIRST has greatly improved said automatic scoring, by funneling game objects down to a single path with a sensor. This is not the way they chose to go this year... I'm with Car Nack, there will be issues with something getting caught, say a robot part, or not counted, and manual backup will need to be called in, particularly during Week 1.

DampRobot 31-01-2013 03:16

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I agree with the great Car Nack (how could I disagree?). Field reset will be a nightmare, what with the climbers being taken down on belay systems and frisbees being manually counted. Lets just hope that matches don't get delayed too frequently...

JohnSchneider 31-01-2013 03:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1225079)
I agree with the great Car Nack (how could I disagree?). Field reset will be a nightmare, what with the climbers being taken down on belay systems and frisbees being manually counted. Lets just hope that matches don't get delayed too frequently...

After the first week theyll have to start allowing people to bring stools to get robots down. I think its an extreme safety hazard for students otherwise...
But it's not like itll add any time since counting frisbees(and dividing them) will take just as long.

Justin Montois 31-01-2013 15:34

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I think they will work fairly well. However, if it becomes obvious that they are unreliable, I think any matches that are within 6 points should trigger an automatic, manual recount.

Lil' Lavery 31-01-2013 15:39

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2006: Automated scoring was highly ineffective.
2010: Automated scoring was almost 100% accurate, but throughput was much smaller.
2011: Automated scoring (minibot poles) had significant issues, sometimes at the fault of the teams involved. Each sensor was only to be tripped once.
2012: Automated scoring was almost 100% accurate, throughput was in between 2006 and 2010.


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