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Hallry 08-02-2013 18:52

FRC Blogged - Two Feet of Snow?
 
Taken from the FRC Blog, 2/8/13: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...o-feet-of-snow

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Two Feet of Snow?

Blog Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 - 13:11


(Photo by thisisbossi copyright (c) 2010; made available under a Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 license)

I don’t know how many of you have ever seen a winter storm deliver two feet of snow, but in the Northeast, it looks like that’s what we’re in for over the next few days. Right now, predicted snow totals for Boston are 24 to 30 inches. If you‘ve never experienced a big snowstorm, they can be a little fun, at least if you are safe at home. You get a day off from school, everything turns white, it gets strangely quiet outside, and the world seems to be put on ‘pause’ – at least for a short time.

One thing big snow storms are not good for is helping FRC Teams stick to their build schedules. I expect teams in the affected area will be missing build time over the weekend, possibly even in to next week depending on the size of the storm and power availability at build sites. Every time there is a storm affecting a significant number of teams, we get asked the question - can we have an extension to our build time? The answer to this question is – no.

Every team faces crises. A mentor may become ill. An important sponsor may suddenly decide to stop funding the team. You may even be kicked out of your build site mid-season. This is just like what adults face in the real world. You may be working on an important project at your company when, unexpectedly, the team leader resigns, the delivery date for your project gets bumped up, or a key component goes out of stock.

The real issue is how you, and your team, respond to adversity. Do you focus your energy on the person you think caused the trouble? Shake your fist at the weather? Curse your fate? Or do you sit down, roll up your sleeves, assess where you are, and come up with a plan to keep moving toward the goal despite the setback?

When we get a big snowstorm up here in New Hampshire, we buckle down for the blizzard and wait it out. We make sure our friends and families are safe, and offer support to those who aren’t. And when the snow stops, we take out our shovels and get to work. Whether it’s two inches or two feet of snow, it’s amazing how quickly a few friends working together can clear a big path.

Every team, at some point, is going to face their ‘Two Feet of Snow’. How are you planning to respond when it happens to you?

I’ll blog again soon.
No extension to build time. Plain and simple.

waialua359 08-02-2013 19:07

Re: FRC Blogged - Two Feet of Snow?
 
This is about the only time in FRC, Hawaii teams have an advantage.

Phalanx 08-02-2013 19:16

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Of course, if you had planned ahead you could have gotten yourself snowed in at the same location of your robot, materials, tools, and not missed anytime. :P

Now, back in our rookie season of 2003 there was a blizzard and some of us were snowed in during build season.
It wasn't planned per say, but it was a deliberate choice by some of us.

Thought, I'd share.:D

Alex Cormier 08-02-2013 20:39

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But... in the real world, it is not illegal to go into work to finish a project when everyone else is at home because they are snowed in.

fb39ca4 08-02-2013 20:45

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Our team in the Northwest lost a week last year from snow as well.

Mk.32 08-02-2013 20:55

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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1230131)
This is about the only time in FRC, Hawaii teams have an advantage.

And Cali :D

IndySam 08-02-2013 21:41

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Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 1230176)
But... in the real world, it is not illegal to go into work to finish a project when everyone else is at home because they are snowed in.

Actually you can be arrested for being on the road if a snow emergency is declared here in Indiana.

Alex.q 08-02-2013 22:15

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Never heard of Minnesota closing roads for snow, at least not near the cities where my team is. Last year, we had about 2 ft of snow on Sunday and we dutifully showed up for school the next day.

I feel bad for anyone who loses a week to the snow though; I doubt my team could make it through losing a week.

Garten Haeska 08-02-2013 23:05

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Originally Posted by Alex.q (Post 1230252)
Never heard of Minnesota closing roads for snow, at least not near the cities where my team is. Last year, we had about 2 ft of snow on Sunday and we dutifully showed up for school the next day.

I feel bad for anyone who loses a week to the snow though; I doubt my team could make it through losing a week.

Right!?! Down in south eastern Minnesota, we experienced three snow days this year alone. But we still communicated and found out if a mentor could sneak us into the school, because our school like most doesn't like having students in the school when they close school down to prevent travel. But anyway, if you get the snow, work around it, be safe, and if there is snow on the road, don't got barreling down the road like it was a nice hot summer day in the July.

May the wrath of Mother Nature be with you!

Andy Grady 09-02-2013 09:26

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I actually love this blog post. In essence: "Suck it up, find a way!". If that isn't the mantra of life for so many people in the world, I dont know what is. Some people will find a way to sneak into the school (make sure you shut the security alarms off!!!), some will find a way to sneak the robot out of the school, some will be staying up until 2am every day for the next week and a half to make up for the loss. EVERYONE will learn a lesson.

Just don't get arrested if you are in Mass...you aren't allowed to drive right now. :)

Neima 09-02-2013 10:05

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That's cute 2 feet of snow. Let me guess you guys aren't going to have school. This happens in Minnesota and we still have school the next day.

sanddrag 09-02-2013 10:46

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Originally Posted by Mk.32 (Post 1230184)
And Cali :D

Our cars are actually frozen here in Cali last night and this morning. But nothing like snowed in.

SarahBeth 09-02-2013 17:58

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Originally Posted by Andy Grady (Post 1230402)
I actually love this blog post. In essence: "Suck it up, find a way!". If that isn't the mantra of life for so many people in the world, I dont know what is. Some people will find a way to sneak into the school (make sure you shut the security alarms off!!!), some will find a way to sneak the robot out of the school, some will be staying up until 2am every day for the next week and a half to make up for the loss. EVERYONE will learn a lesson.

Just don't get arrested if you are in Mass...you aren't allowed to drive right now. :)

Uh, sounds like there's a fun (or not so fun) story behind this here. :D

sg999 11-02-2013 23:00

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Anyone else still unable to get back to work because of snow? We haven't had access to our robot since Thursday night, and tomorrow looks iffy too (We don't have school tomorrow). I'm just curious as to how far behind we're getting.

Undertones 12-02-2013 02:01

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That kind of snow is not unusual here in Alberta. I find geographic cultural differences amusing.

dtengineering 12-02-2013 02:34

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Originally Posted by Undertones (Post 1232008)
That kind of snow is not unusual here in Alberta. I find geographic cultural differences amusing.

Well, maybe it's not unusual in Banff or even Canmore... but in Calgary? C'mon... you guys actually have to build to a lower snow load than we do in Vancouver. (Speaking of which, the flowers are coming up nicely, thank you for asking. ;) )

Look down this page for Calgary's record snowfalls... 48cm fell in one day, once... back in 1981.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/sta...31093/caab0049

Those teams back east get walloped every couple of years. But at least they have FRC regionals within 1,000km of their home school without having to start their own!

Jason

Mr V 12-02-2013 03:31

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Originally Posted by fb39ca4 (Post 1230180)
Our team in the Northwest lost a week last year from snow as well.

While our team in the NorthWEsT got extra build time due to the snow last year They did not close the High School even though there were no classesl. So people came in and worked and worked and worked. Many of us were w/o power at home so going to school with power and heat was preferred to staying at home in the dark and cold. That was the reason that we were able to have more build time since some of the schools in the district were w/o power the district chose to not have classes at any school until the roads to all the schools were open and all had power.

Donut 12-02-2013 09:07

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Originally Posted by Undertones (Post 1232008)
That kind of snow is not unusual here in Alberta. I find geographic cultural differences amusing.

As do I. I distinctly remember a time in college in Tucson, AZ where it snowed for about 20 minutes in January; the school district called an emergency meeting and was going to cancel classes if any of the snow didn't melt (it did, to the dismay of all the desert kids who have never seen a snow day). Of course I had never heard of classes being canceled for heat until I moved out of state either, and I've seen it happen multiple times here in Iowa. Something about buildings not having air conditioning or passive cooling systems, I didn't know they made buildings like that :p

I hope all the teams snowed in stay safe and can finish build season without problems. Losing close to a week is a killer to some I'm sure.

Racer26 12-02-2013 09:21

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Still no access to school? We got hammered here on Friday like most of the northeastern US, but our roads are clear and its business as usual here now. Heck, by saturday afternoon it wasn't too bad... my driveway does have a ~4ft wall of snow at the edges though... ;)

Taylor 12-02-2013 09:32

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When we get a big snowstorm up here in New Hampshire, we buckle down for the blizzard and wait it out. We make sure our friends and families are safe, and offer support to those who aren’t. And when the snow stops, we take out our shovels and get to work. Whether it’s two inches or two feet of snow, it’s amazing how quickly a few friends working together can clear a big path.
This was my favorite part of the blog. Applicable to build season, competition season, offseason, life.

Hallry 12-02-2013 09:53

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North-easterners: We're might be getting more snow this weekend... http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ential/5997763

dag0620 12-02-2013 09:55

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1232086)
North-easterners: We're might be getting more snow this weekend... http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ential/5997763

This is a huge worry right now, for both build time as well as Week 0 events.

Fingers Crossed it doesn't put us back any further.

Hallry 12-02-2013 10:07

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Originally Posted by dag0620 (Post 1232088)
This is a huge worry right now, for both build time as well as Week 0 events.

Fingers Crossed it doesn't put us back any further.

And it looks like this won't be the end of it. Quoting the article,
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A storm has a chance to take a sharp enough left turn up the East Coast this weekend, perhaps affecting the U.S. and neighboring Canada. The storm would be part of a series of potentially major weather events through the end of February.
Emphasis mine.

Here are the two paths it may take. Everyone better cross their fingers for the better scenario...

dsalvucci 12-02-2013 11:15

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Team 23 hasn't been able to work on our robot since Thursday night. Plymouth happened to be one of the hardest hit areas (just our luck this year) and our schools didn't even have power until I believe yesterday. It looks like we will finally be allowed back in tomorrow though!

artdutra04 12-02-2013 12:10

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Originally Posted by Undertones (Post 1232008)
That kind of snow is not unusual here in Alberta. I find geographic cultural differences amusing.

It wasn't the quantity of the snow that is still causing problems, but the rate at which it accumulated. Most places in the northeast US can easily handle 2ft blizzards and have all roads passable within a day, so long as the snowfall rate stays under 1-2" per hour (normally in the northeast 2" per hour is considered exceptionally heavy snowfall rate). The problem this storm caused is that at the peak, it was snowing more than 6" per hour.

So instead of the plow trucks being able to continuously plow a few inches of snow off the roads throughout the storm, they were overwhelmed quickly to the point where the snow is literally too deep to plow. At that point you need rotary plows (basically massive snow blowers) or construction equipment (such as backhoes) to clear roads, both of which are significantly slower than plowing.

I too once laughed at how the southern US handles snow, until I witnessed it firsthand in Texas. With no snowplows, when it actually does snow a few inches, it will soon melt into slush, then refreezes into ice the next night. Then all roads for the next few days will have smooth tire ruts with several inches of jagged, solid ice in between. Changing lanes on the highway wasn't fun.


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