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Justin Shelley 10-02-2013 13:47

Time To Climb ;)
 
How quick will your robot climb and to what position? :) Choose your best option! And sorry for the length of options lol

Justin Shelley 10-02-2013 22:54

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
30 pt climb in under 10 seconds? WINNING!!!! lol:confused:

dcarr 10-02-2013 22:56

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
It will be interesting to compare this to actual climbs once the season is over...

cadandcookies 10-02-2013 23:09

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
How many <10 second climbs have actually be tested/shown? I'd like to bet that there are more "theoretical" <10 second climbers than will be shown (but that's almost always the case, non?)

dcarr 10-02-2013 23:12

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Originally Posted by sentientfungus (Post 1231298)
How many <10 second climbs have actually be tested/shown? I'd like to bet that there are more "theoretical" <10 second climbers than will be shown (but that's almost always the case, non?)

10 point climbs...several. Anything higher, I don't believe has been shared.

Justin Shelley 10-02-2013 23:15

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
i agree with you guys. Just like the bridges last year:mad:

dcarr 10-02-2013 23:15

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Originally Posted by Justin Shelley (Post 1231304)
i agree with you guys. Just like the bridges last year:mad:

And I think it's safe to say that climbing is roughly 10^5 times harder :D

Justin Shelley 10-02-2013 23:20

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
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Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1231306)
And I think it's safe to say that climbing is roughly 10^5 times harder :D

i completly agree. Yet teams are always going to say they can do it when they are no where near doing it. They do it once in 4 minutes in practice and then they think they can do it always :( though i can say i see it in our team at times also

cadandcookies 10-02-2013 23:20

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
There was a 30 climb shown earlier this week (albeit from the robot's perspective) by Team 2481 that looks like about as fast as you'll be able to get on a 30 point climb that, combined with a misinterpretation of the poll's answers, gave rise to my statement.

I'm betting that any decent team will have a simple <10 second ten point climber by their last regional/ championships. Probably of the non-mechanical type shown earlier in the season.

Competitions will be very interesting this year; I think this year's game leaves room for a lot of tweaks at competition.

dcarr 10-02-2013 23:22

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Originally Posted by sentientfungus (Post 1231313)
I'm betting that any decent team will have a simple <10 second ten point climber by their last regional/ championships. Probably of the non-mechanical type shown earlier in the season.

Agreed...barring unusual strategies or circumstances, any robot that does not at least have a quick, passive 10 point climb system could be considered to be "doing it wrong."

z_beeblebrox 10-02-2013 23:22

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Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1231306)
And I think it's safe to say that climbing is roughly 10^5 times harder :D

Depends. A 10 point climb can be a simple passive wedge-like device, not much harder than balancing the bridges, which requires a powered device to lower them and a decent drivetrain. A 30 point climb, however, is one of the hardest challenges ever given by FIRST.

Justin Shelley 10-02-2013 23:22

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sentientfungus (Post 1231313)
There was a 30 climb shown earlier this week (albeit from the robot's perspective) by Team 2481 that looks like about as fast as you'll be able to get on a 30 point climb that, combined with a misinterpretation of the poll's answers, gave rise to my statement.

And their climb was about 20-24 seconds. I agree with you and i think that is amazingly fast!

dcarr 10-02-2013 23:23

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Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1231316)
Depends. A 10 point climb can be a simple passive wedge-like device, not much harder than balancing the bridges, which requires a powered device to lower them and a decent drivetrain. A 30 point climb, however, is one of the hardest challenges ever given by FIRST.

Right on. I'd argue a 10 point hang can be easier (less practice/driver dependence) than a balance, but beyond that, it gets dramatically difficult.

cadandcookies 10-02-2013 23:33

Re: Time To Climb ;)
 
Adding a wedge is (theoretically) easy, much like a balance last year. I doubt there will be many teams able to add a 20 or 30 point mechanism during competition season, unlike last year, where a wide robot which might not have been able to find robots to triple balance with during qualifications might be able to have partners that facilitate a triple during eliminations or at later competitions.

dcarr 10-02-2013 23:43

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Bottom line, we can expect to see a lot of iteration this season.


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