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ttcole1254 13-02-2013 19:51

Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Hello!

I'm from FRC Team 1604, the Mekheads, and I'm planning on doing a live broadcast of the Orlando Regional at UCF. I just came in here to get everyone's opinion, and I'm willing to accept feedback and/or criticisms about how I'm doing this.

I've already contacted FIRST directly, and so far it's smooth sailing as far as getting approved to do it. So far we have plans for a camera in the pits showing our team, and two cameras in the stands, one showing the field, and one showing the stands.

The camera in the pits is wireless but is using 3G so as to not interfere with any robots.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is.. do you guys think it would be worthwhile to do something like this? The quality will be very professional, like something you'd see on television actually. We're planning on broadcasting it to online webcast hosts like UStream and similar.

Thanks!
Tyler Coleman
Mekheads 1604

DonRotolo 13-02-2013 20:44

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3 independent streams?
The field stream is definitely worthwhile, that will be great. The pits, maybe not so much (aside from when the field is "empty"). The stands, in my own opinion, not at all.
But don't let me discourage you, sounds like an awesome plan!

brrian27 13-02-2013 20:49

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The field definitely! We always go to the Orlando regional, and getting family and friends back home to watch is always welcome :D

Personally I would like the stands feed because my team is very spirited with our and such, and having family back home see our spirit would be nice :)

ttcole1254 13-02-2013 21:17

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
The streams won't be independent. We're bringing video and audio switching hardware to incorporate all the cameras into a single feed, and will also have a scoreboard in a corner showing the score during a match.

Sorry I didn't say this earlier.. but the pits cam would be focused on our pit, not the whole area. It would only show during down time when we're working on our robot.

Because of hardware and network constraints, we're only able to produce a final video quality of 480p. We're planning on also having commercials (thanking sponsors, our team throughout the build season, etc) during down time.

We're also planning on mounting two GoPro cameras in the arena. One on the drive station, and one on the robot itself to get a first person view. These feeds unfortunately won't be live because of frequency issues and complexity. These would also show during down time in a "highlights" kind of way.

Barry Bonzack 13-02-2013 23:19

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It would be wise to talk the Orlando Regional Planning Committee.

ttcole1254 14-02-2013 08:43

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Alright. I wouldn't know where to start to find their contact info. Do you know where I could find it?

MARS_James 14-02-2013 09:18

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1233162)
Alright. I wouldn't know where to start to find their contact info. Do you know where I could find it?

Link

Mr B 14-02-2013 09:44

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
I too have family and friends that would love to watch, and I'm grateful that you are taking on this challenge. Plus, I'm sure there are a lot of scouts out there that would like a first look at some of the great robots in Orlando. I'd prefer it if your field shot was a static view of the whole field - and a bonus if it's from up high. Cameras sometimes zoom in on the face of a driver while an epic robot battle takes place on the field. But hey, it's your gig. Do whatever you like and we'll be happy. Thanks!

ttcole1254 14-02-2013 12:43

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I'm hoping I can get really high up, but I don't know.. The shot of the field will definitely be static, but the other cam will move every now and then. We're thinking of having a television with the show on it in our pit and also next to the control system so people can watch. I'll have the URL on the bottom of those TVs so people walking by can watch it for themselves if they would like.

We're planning on setting up on the second floor (where you get into the stands) because I would like to keep as much wired as I can. Wireless cameras are iffy at this point, problems keep popping up. Part of the problem is that we have to rely on 3G smartphones to provide Internet to the wireless cams.

If anyone could get me some really good open source music, I'm taking requests as I honestly don't have any plans for music right now. Hoping for at least 200 songs total to avoid it being annoying. So far I found foobar2000 to handle music playlists, but if any of you have better ideas, I'd be willing to look into them.

Also, I don't know how we're going to receive the scores live to post on the scoreboard. Maybe have the stands camera operator be on a chat on their phone and they can tell the scores as they change.

synth3tk 14-02-2013 14:10

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1233299)
If anyone could get me some really good open source music, I'm taking requests as I honestly don't have any plans for music right now. Hoping for at least 200 songs total to avoid it being annoying. So far I found foobar2000 to handle music playlists, but if any of you have better ideas, I'd be willing to look into them.

Two of my favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/user/teknoaxe
http://www.youtube.com/user/AudioPad

Both 100% free to use, even commercially. For the second link, take note of the license for any song you download, since some may require you to attribute the song. I would assume a lower third with the name of the song and artist would suffice.

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1233299)
Also, I don't know how we're going to receive the scores live to post on the scoreboard. Maybe have the stands camera operator be on a chat on their phone and they can tell the scores as they change.

https://twitter.com/frcfms

While not 100% reliable, it's close enough for you to use for a live broadcast. How you translate the tweets into data suitable for your broadcasting software is up to you.

ttcole1254 14-02-2013 15:29

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Really cool. Thanks for the info! I'll definitely get those tracks downloaded and set up in a playlist :) We're also thinking of conducting interviews and then airing them throughout the regional at different times. Does this seem like a good idea?

MARS_James 14-02-2013 16:37

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1233373)
We're also thinking of conducting interviews and then airing them throughout the regional at different times. Does this seem like a good idea?

Who are you planning on interviewing?

ttcole1254 14-02-2013 17:28

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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1233404)
Who are you planning on interviewing?

Anyone willing really.. members of other teams, mentors, etc.. just to get people's opinion about the games, how they participate, what their team does, stuff like that. It's actually an idea one of my friends had who is also on the team. It's a last minute kind of thing, so it's up in the air as to if we're actually going to do it or not.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 16:21

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Alright, so we got everything taken care of in terms of permission, and we'll actually be getting help from Moose team 1065 in order to pull it off. It will broadcast to the web on UStream (MekheadsLive is what it's called now.. will change the name to reflect the collaboration) as well as possibly having sections on Nasa TV as well as some other extras. We've got 8 HD security cameras, some wireless cameras, camcorders, etc. so it should be great!

If any of you guys have any music suggestions, we'd love to have em. Just make sure they're copyright free, or the owner has given permission. If they require credit on the stream, that can be arranged without a problem.

Also any help in general would be greatly appreciated. What would you like to see done on the show?

dodar 21-02-2013 16:24

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Do you guys have ideas to where these cameras will be placed?

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 16:27

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As of right now, no not quite yet. We'll for sure have a majority of them in the stands placed at different strategic locations.

So far, I know that our team will definitely have a camera in the pits, on the robot, and at the driver station looking at the drivers' faces. Other angles aren't set in stone yet.

Did you have any in mind?

peetam22 21-02-2013 16:27

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Do you know what the link would be for the live stream? I'm assuming this would be a separate stream from the NASA TV one, correct?

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 16:30

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I don't yet.. we haven't agreed on a name for it yet. I'll post a URL as soon as I can though.

Actually, I know for a fact that a link will be placed on our homepage (mekheads.org) in the top right corner.

dodar 21-02-2013 16:31

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I would say that you could do one up above the stands perpendicular to the field. 1 up high above the stands behind each driver station overlooking the field and then 1 on each corner of the field closest to the stands looking towards the corner across the field from it. I'd also say if possible to have one camera just continuously pointed towards the score screen.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 16:49

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Those sound like great ideas. The ones behind the driver stations would be a little difficult, but we may be able to get them in.

In order to show the score continuously during matches without using the entire monitor, we can mask out the on-screen scoreboard from the jumbotrons and have it on the top right or left of our stream. This way we can show the score at all times while using our cameras for video.

dodar 21-02-2013 17:18

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238060)
Those sound like great ideas. The ones behind the driver stations would be a little difficult, but we may be able to get them in.

In order to show the score continuously during matches without using the entire monitor, we can mask out the on-screen scoreboard from the jumbotrons and have it on the top right or left of our stream. This way we can show the score at all times while using our cameras for video.

How would those be difficult?

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 17:24

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I was thinking they would have to go on the match floor for some reason.. Don't know why honestly. They won't be any mire difficult than any other camera, as long as we gave the cable length.

dodar 21-02-2013 17:26

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238090)
I was thinking they would have to go on the match floor for some reason.. Don't know why honestly. They won't be any mire difficult than any other camera, as long as we gave the cable length.

I meant that you could put them on the walkway behind the first level of stands behind the driver stations. So you could get a length-wise view of the field along with a width-wise view.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 17:30

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Yeah.. I don't know what I was thinking earlier.. it's been a long day. That does seem like a great idea, though. I just hope we have enough cable to do it.

dodar 21-02-2013 17:31

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238100)
Yeah.. I don't know what I was thinking earlier.. it's been a long day. That does seem like a great idea, though. I just hope we have enough cable to do it.

Its just an opinion. I think you guys will pick great angles and will do awesomely. The main thing I would ask for is the width-wise shot from above the crowd, that be the angle you guys record.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 17:40

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Thanks a lot, we hope everything works out too. Which shot exactly are you talking about? The one focusing on the field width-wise?

dodar 21-02-2013 17:42

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238104)
Thanks a lot, we hope everything works out too. Which shot exactly are you talking about? The one focusing on the field width-wise?

Yes.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 17:43

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Yes that one will be recorded separately. In addition to that, the whole show will be recorded throughout the three days for archiving. I'll probably upload it somewhere, but I think the file size may be too large for YouTube. I may just cut portions out for things if we need them.

dodar 21-02-2013 17:54

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238110)
Yes that one will be recorded separately. In addition to that, the whole show will be recorded throughout the three days for archiving. I'll probably upload it somewhere, but I think the file size may be too large for YouTube. I may just cut portions out for things if we need them.

Well the width-wise recording you should send to thebluealliance.com so it can be split and archived.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 20:26

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That would be cool. We would really only be able to send it to them after it's recorded, since our Internet connection isn't quick enough to handle more than one stream simultaneously. We could definitely send it to them afterwards though.

dodar 21-02-2013 20:42

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Originally Posted by ttcole1254 (Post 1238196)
That would be cool. We would really only be able to send it to them after it's recorded, since our Internet connection isn't quick enough to handle more than one stream simultaneously. We could definitely send it to them afterwards though.

No, thats what I meant.

ttcole1254 21-02-2013 22:47

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1238207)
No, thats what I meant.

Gotcha. I don't think we would need any extra hardware to just record what that camera sees at all times.

ttcole1254 02-03-2013 13:16

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Instead of doing a live broadcast, we have changed our plans significantly. Please click the following link to be taken to the new thread concerning the new plans.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=114556

Denise Bohnsack 06-03-2013 22:39

Re: Orlando Regional Live Broadcast
 
Tyler from the Mekheads, just wanted to say your first message was very eloquent and well written and I commend you for your efforts to enhance the FIRST experience for those watching online.Also for the gracious professionalism you have shown in asking others opinions and cooperating with other teams/groups efforts. Thank you.


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