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karpiron 17-02-2013 13:40

pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 

Camren 17-02-2013 13:41

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Does your pneumatic system have any leaks? 120 psi shouldn't take 1 minute to build.

Team3266Spencer 17-02-2013 13:44

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camren (Post 1235010)
Does your pneumatic system have any leaks? 120 psi shouldn't take 1 minute to build.

I can tell you it does if you have a lot of air tanks XD

Yankeefan181 17-02-2013 13:55

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
You could always fill your tanks before the match too

karpiron 17-02-2013 14:13

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
We carry 256 cu in air storage. Stroking a 2" x 24" and (2) 1.5" x 12" cylinders consumes A LOT of air. We have to wait a full minute.

cmrnpizzo14 17-02-2013 21:28

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
How many tanks are you using to store that air?

karpiron 18-02-2013 06:57

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
We've reduced our stored air capacity to 210 cu in.
(2) 41 cu in plastic, (2) 32 cu in ss and (4) 16 cu in ss tanks, tucked into various spaces. The waiting time is spaced between the strokes. 10 sec here, 10 sec there.
We'll post video later today.

Bill_B 18-02-2013 09:00

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Check the dimensions of your top box. It looks too tall to me. I'd hate for you to reach a competition where you didn't have the same room to extend inside the pyramid at the top.

Nice work on the 'bot, though, staying tuned for video. :]

karpiron 18-02-2013 09:31

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
We were using 888's pyramid and we noted several dimensional deviations.
In the photo we are looking at that top clearance. We were well below the top of the upper bar.
That experience made us aware of our sensitivity to dimesional tolerance.

karpiron 18-02-2013 15:48

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Here's the link to ALBERT's test climb:
http://vimeo.com/59719661

Andy A. 18-02-2013 15:56

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karpiron (Post 1235038)
We carry 256 cu in air storage. Stroking a 2" x 24" and (2) 1.5" x 12" cylinders consumes A LOT of air. We have to wait a full minute.

Have you explored using a dual working pressure solution? Actuating the unloaded portion of a cylinders movement (in this case the extension) with lower pressure air, say 15psi, can result in some huge air savings while still allowing you to actuate at a full 60psi in the loaded direction (retraction).

It does require more overhead in the form of additional regulators, tubing, fittings, solenoids etc., but may allow you to climb faster and/or reduce your storage requirements.

Madison 18-02-2013 16:02

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Isn't it disingenuous to say that it climbs in 30 sec. if it cannot work without waiting for the air tanks to refill?

Am I missing something?

karpiron 18-02-2013 16:08

Re: pic: 2528 RoboDoves 30 sec, 30 point climb
 
Yes, we did.
Our concern was risking rotation of the 2" cylinder's main hook.
We operate at 45 psi and the hook is nicely firm; 20 psi doesn't have the same resistance to twist.
We couldn't find a 24" stroke gas spring.


Madison:
Deceptive maybe. not disingenuous.


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