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Bryce2471 26-02-2013 02:21

Re: Extending above 60"
 
I think our robot is the best fit to this part of the game.
桧ur shooter is mounted at 60 inches.
標e can shoot over one hundred feet.
標e have roughly a 90% accuracy from the feeder station into the three pt goal.
標e have many strategies for deterring blocker robots.
標e have near 100% accuracy from anywhere else.
標e have an effective, two sided, floor intake.
標e have an 84 inch blocker.
標e top it off with a quick, 10 pt hang, and shoot 4 last Frisbees wile we hang.

mschwab013 26-02-2013 08:58

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, (which I very well may be), wouldn't an 84 in blocker be illegal per G22 simply because you wont be touching your own pyramid while blocking shots?

Quote:

G22
ROBOT height (as defined in relation to the ROBOT) must be restricted as follows during the MATCH:

If in contact with the carpet in its AUTO ZONE and/or its PYRAMID, ≤ 84 in.
Otherwise, ≤ 60 in.

Racer26 26-02-2013 09:02

Re: Extending above 60"
 
I expect 60->84" blocker boards being a popular saturday lunchtime addition to weak 2nd pick robots at shallow regionals.

Saberbot 26-02-2013 09:27

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mschwab013 (Post 1240557)
Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, (which I very well may be), wouldn't an 84 in blocker be illegal per G22 simply because you wont be touching your own pyramid while blocking shots?

Check out the definition of AUTO ZONE. Your opponents feeder stations are in you AUTO ZONE.

EricLeifermann 26-02-2013 09:40

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce2471 (Post 1240521)
I think our robot is the best fit to this part of the game.
桧ur shooter is mounted at 60 inches.
標e can shoot over one hundred feet.
標e have roughly a 90% accuracy from the feeder station into the three pt goal.
標e have many strategies for deterring blocker robots.
標e have near 100% accuracy from anywhere else.
標e have an effective, two sided, floor intake.
標e have an 84 inch blocker.
標e top it off with a quick, 10 pt hang, and shoot 4 last Frisbees wile we hang.

Sounds like you have a great robot! I look forward to seeing your robot do all of this in a match.

dchartley 26-02-2013 11:03

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mschwab013 (Post 1240557)
Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, (which I very well may be), wouldn't an 84 in blocker be illegal per G22 simply because you wont be touching your own pyramid while blocking shots?

I thought the same thing, to exceed 60" you must be in contact with your pyramid. The "and/or" makes touching the pyramid a requirement. You can touch the Auto Zone and the pyramid in which case the robot would be on the floor or just the pyramid, as in climbing.

Doug

Jaxom 26-02-2013 11:45

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dchartley (Post 1240592)
I thought the same thing, to exceed 60" you must be in contact with your pyramid. The "and/or" makes touching the pyramid a requirement. You can touch the Auto Zone and the pyramid in which case the robot would be on the floor or just the pyramid, as in climbing.

No, the word "or" makes touching the pyramid optional. That's what the word means. I may have missed a Q&A, though - is there one that makes touching the pyramid a requirement?

jspatz1 26-02-2013 12:00

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mschwab013 (Post 1240557)
Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, (which I very well may be), wouldn't an 84 in blocker be illegal per G22 simply because you wont be touching your own pyramid while blocking shots?

When defending a slot/full court shooter the defender in his auto zone and may be 84", while the shooter may only be 60". This is one reason slot shooting will be easily defended. It would only succeed if the opposing alliance simply allowed it, or failed to prepare for the match.

dchartley 26-02-2013 12:34

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1240606)
No, the word "or" makes touching the pyramid optional. That's what the word means. I may have missed a Q&A, though - is there one that makes touching the pyramid a requirement?

When I read the rule I thought that the reason to exceed 60" was to make climbing possible and that was why the pyramid contact was put in the rule. Otherwise why not just say "While in your auto zone"? I put in a Q&A on G22, we'll see what they say.

Doug

jspatz1 26-02-2013 12:44

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 1240558)
I expect 60->84" blocker boards being a popular saturday lunchtime addition to weak 2nd pick robots at shallow regionals.

The robot need not be a weak 2nd pick nor the regional shallow. Preventing 90 points of slot shots is a worthy role for any robot at any event.

Saberbot 26-02-2013 12:46

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dchartley (Post 1240628)
When I read the rule I thought that the reason to exceed 60" was to make climbing possible and that was why the pyramid contact was put in the rule. Otherwise why not just say "While in your auto zone"? I put in a Q&A on G22, we'll see what they say.

Doug

A team could be touching the backside of their pyramid without touching their autozone.

Swampdude 26-02-2013 13:03

Re: Extending above 60"
 
I think it's smart for any team to bring along some pvc, a tall cylinder or spring loaded gizmo and some fabric to pop up a blocker. In case your shooter or hanger breaks between matches etc. you're still very useful.

TikiTech 26-02-2013 13:04

Re: Extending above 60"
 
We here at team 3880 saw the full field shooters as a threat and designed to be passively defensive. Our arm tower is close to 60" high with thick Lexan protecting all sides. As well as actively defensive with our shooter arm. It raises up to 82" and is also Lexan covered. That coupled with a mecanum drive and a fast floor gathering system expect to block and shoot those blocked shots!

Looking forward to some very exciting matches...

martin417 26-02-2013 13:16

Re: Extending above 60"
 
Here is the definition for the auto zone from the game manual.

Quote:

AUTO ZONE: an area on either end of the FIELD bounded by the ALLIANCE WALL, FEEDER STATIONS, LOW GOAL, GUARDRAILS, and the nearest AUTO LINE.
If your robot is touching the carpet anywhere in this defined zone, it my be </= 84" tall.

jimwick 26-02-2013 17:37

Re: Extending above 60"
 
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we built a shot blocker yesterday, but of course it hasn't been tested on the actual bot. maybe it will work and maybe not. maybe we will have time to install it or maybe not.

our shot blocker is made of flexible fiberglass rod. it is pretty flimsy. it does not attempt to actually stop the shot, just deflect it enough so that it misses!


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