Re: Shooting full-court: The uprising of the human-loader shooters
 

That will be one heck of an impressive targeting system and will require an amazingly consistent shooting mechanism since the offensive robot would have to do it on the move while the defensive robot is bouncing off them every couple of seconds, once the offensive robot pulls away from the protected feeder station.

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I'm waiting for a full court shooter that does this: http://i.imgur.com/Ez23N.png

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I modeled the situation in Cad then pulled dimensions from that. I approximated the shot trajectory of the disks being shot based on the many full court shooters from various teams on youtube/chiefdelphi.

This is true, with serious spin disks could be curved so that they go over the opponent pyramid. However, between the pyramid and the safe zone there is still quite a lot of room for a defender to stop the disks before they get even that far.

I think the core of the problem is as you describe Paul. Disks naturally level off and “float” in the downward half of their trajectory. This makes it difficult to shoot them with a high arc. What I think would be interesting would be shooting full field upside down disks. Upside down disks don’t have the floating tendency which means one can probably shoot them with a much higher (unblockable) trajectory and still make them into the goal.

Interesting thread.
Regards, Bryan

Re: Shooting full-court: The uprising of the human-loader shooters
 

Well, 10 discs start on the floor. And if the floor loading robot can score some of those discs in autonomous, it's already worth having.

What? When did Georgia become so soft? I remember going to the Peachtree in 2006, and having tons of defense be played not only in qualifications, but even practice matches (which I was none too happy about). And just about every event in the Mid-Atlantic and New England is loaded with defense, even durign qualifications.

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Maybe outdoors with a strong onshore flow! Although, the Santa Anna's might do it as well.

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When 2415 is the highest scoring robot and not a single robot crossed over to play defence on them during most of the qualifications and eliminations in the last 2 years, I call that a lack of defence (Not taking anything away from 2415's accomplishments at all, and I think even with defence they would've won every match that they did).

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What you are starting to understand, and the majority of FIRST doesn't (not including most on CD) is that the majority of FIRST teams are not capable or at least not interested in executing strategy, building within their means, or in general being competitive. EWCP had a great analysis of average scores over the years and it was truly eye-opening.

Because of this, many teams will be able to take advantage and depending on the current gameplay be able to score full-field shots until someone finally realizes what is going on.

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I feel like the "Chief Delphi Bubble" is larger and thicker than ever for some reason. There will not be a lot of strong defense because the teams capable of strategizing for a strong defense are likely mechanically capable of making more impact on offense, and teams more mechanically inclined to see success on defense do not have the ability, knowledge, or willpower to develop a strategy around it.

People also think "everyone should be climbing 10 points." If 70% of teams have one successful 10 point climb, that would surprise me.

People think full court shooters will see issues all the time, but in reality, they don't need to display that capability all weekend to get a high seed pick, and most alliances won't plan for a strategy to counter it in elims.

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Any alliance that is playing to win will plan on possibly facing a full court shooter and find a second pick that has a couple of pounds to spare and provide them with a simple pvc picket fence that tops out at 83.75";)

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I was shocked and appalled at the lack of defense at regionals last year, especially on non-key shooters.

This year, your best bet for defending well-built full-court shooters is to prevent them from getting to their loading zone in the first place (using your own pyramid to help, of course) -- which is easier said than done, especially if they've realized this already and have the drive train to plow you out of the way.

That said, I hope the penalties are called better than they were at Buckeye last year... There were quite a few situations where the defending bot was in the key, preventing the offensive robot from touching it, and fouls were called on the defending bot. :/

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You're insane! That will never work. :rolleyes: I have yet to see any shooters utilizing leaf blowers to assist in frisbee lift, but that would make my day. Also, defending robots using leaf blowers will be an instant favorite of mine.

With a gamepiece so dependent on air, you'd think there would be more teams trying to control this medium!