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Well, obviously I wouldn't say no to either of them either. That would just be insane. The fact that we're having a legit theoretical debate about this is proof enough that both those teams look to be redonkulously good.

In any case, with the recent rule change, I'm not quite sure how big of a factor floor pickup will be come competition time now. That's the biggest thing I'm going to be looking for with regionals starting this weekend. I could definitely see if an alliance robot was sent back to the feeder station with the role of dumping discs on the groud as close to the goal as possible for floor loaders to feast on, then 118 may have a slight edge in possible points per second scoring rate. I don't know, maybe coupling that trade off with the climb speed of 1986 and it's a legitimately even wash between the two of them. In that case, maybe it comes down to alliance synergy preference. If so, I'll take the faster climb speed so it can remain an active tele-op factor for as long as possible, in whatever role it's performing - offensively or defensively. Based on your comments, it seems like you'd prefer the faster floor pickup...

hmmmm...could that be a possible hint at what Wave's bringing to Wisconsin? ;)

Thanks for the kind words regarding our robot and we're obviously very much looking forward to see what you're bringing to Wisconsin this year, as well. Hopefully, we'll get the chance to share the field this year. It should be a ton of fun! Can't wait!

Best of luck to you guys!

I imagine that in this hypothetical match titanium would just sit and block 118, instead of attempting to score. Full court shooting from that low is pretty easy to stop.
Even in this hypothetical scenario it would still be much closer than you make it out to be. And if I was selecting for a real world alliance 1986 would win out in my books.

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You can definitely figure out who to pick first for your alliance from a minute and a half of video of teams showing only their finest moments, all alone, on their practice fields...

Right?

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seeing as that's all we've got to go on right now... yes! ;)

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Robonauts are <30", should be really easy to block them for full-court shots.

But someone will have to do it. I'm sure a lot of disorganized alliances will fail to stop them quickly enough.

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When I see the Robonauts unveil video annually, I see one of the best fabricated, engineered robots every season.
We were lucky to have been able to compete, both playing against them and with them during eliminations at Lone Star in 2012.
I could stare at it all day, marveling at how well the machine is built, how beautiful it is, and how cool it is with the LED's, laser cut (water jet) features, etc.
The best part of the video is the choice of music and how its timed with what's being showed in the video. That in itself has inspired many other teams to do the same at their own unveiling.

However, many in this thread are already trying to predict scoring scenarios based on this video clip.
As Cory has mentioned earlier, I dont think any team features too much on missed shots, robots falling (I heard of a few already. :ahh: ), and other mishaps in robot practice and filming.

On another note with regards to full court shooting, shooters are very similar this year.
Its no secret on how to make shooters more reliable, shoot farther, or faster (with PID and other similar programming aids).
The question becomes what is viable for your team and alliance, especially during eliminations.
We have a shooter that can shoot reliably from full court distance and quickly. However, you can bet that we would never do it in a match as our primary means of offense. One missed shot from a load of 4 discs is too low of a percentage, especially with a tall robot right in front of you 60" tall.

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What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance? Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa.

Then again, this is all theory crafting. I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot.

I am getting a bit off topic though. The only really visible pluses to Team Titanium's bot right now would be their floor-loading autonomous mode, and faster climbing speed. I assume, however, that a team like 118 will soon have a similar monster-auto, and the corner climb frees a lot of space for a potential triple high climb. These two robots are both excellent top picks, with outstanding release videos. They're both a source of inspiration for rookies and power houses alike.

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I'm not sure if this is your opinion about 118 vs 1986 in general or a response to my post.
"What stops a tall robot from defending a short robot at a close distance?"
Easy. The Pyramid.

"Not to mention the inevitable trouble of trekking across the field for each cycle of four shots. Plus the missed shots from full court will save any floor loading robot a considerable amount of time and potential distance traveled as the disks are brought to them, instead of vice versa."
This depends on how fast/effective you are on traversing the field. Any shot missed can be picked up by your opponent as well.

"I expect full court game play to be immensely huge this weekend, regardless of whether the disks end up in the goals right away, or if they're merely being passed from robot to robot."
If you had an alliance formed where this was your main strategy, I'll make sure my 60" robot alliance partner is there to greet you.

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You dont even need a 60" partner. You just need to bring a 60" wall with you to your regional and strap it to whichever lucky robot you pick 3rd.

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Or even better....bring in a pile of raw materials that can be made into a wall. There's a penalty for fabrication.

I think full-court shots are going to be a large factor in qualification matches, but not as significant in eliminations.

And for fun....I'd pick 118 in a heartbeat, and I sure hope they'd pick us. Why do we have to make an either/or choice? :)

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Mostly because the rest of us aren't on 1986 or 118 ;)

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Why bring materials at all? Just use the pizza boxes from lunch time to construct a large cardboard wall.

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In this case, would the cardboard count as the raw material, or would it be fabricated since it originally had pizza inside of it?

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My mechanical design abilities are very limited (computer guy) but I'm going to be very impressed to see a cardboard wall that can stand up to more than a couple of shots from a team like 1806 or 118. I think you'll need something for bracing.

And anyway, wouldn't you get penalized for the bits of cheese that stayed in the field? :D

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Says the member of the Eh team...

(Speaking of which, I'm sure we would love to you guy's bot)