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Swampdude 22-02-2013 10:58

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The way you guys do integration is exhibit A of modern technological advancement. I would love to be a part of that team and/or just watch it work. Your lead is my hero and I'm sure they can't wait to put one of these together each year. I've been under the assumption government systems would prohibit this kind of efficiency and effectiveness. But if this is NASA's team uninhibited I'm a big believer in you guys. Rock on, and go NASA peeps!

Racer26 22-02-2013 11:02

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Oh, also, I didn't notice if it picked up an upside down frisbee, and shot it upside down. Can it do that (or flip the frisbees it picks up) too?

XaulZan11 22-02-2013 11:07

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1238476)
This video actually makes me feel better about our odds. If even the Robonauts aren't hitting 4/4 volleys, maybe we have a shot after all.

And their climbing doesn't seem to be blazing fast, either. That being said, the best thing about this robot is that it does everything very well. For those worried about facing 118, the matches are only 2:15 seconds long so you may not have to face everything 118 can do. An alliance with a better dedicated shooter and a better dedicated climber, has a legit chance. Although, 118's amazing wide range of capibilities give it a scary amount of strategic flexibility in a 3 match elimination round.

Awesome robot and an even better video. Thank you for continuing to inspire us all.

nuggetsyl 22-02-2013 11:15

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I had to watch the video again and I love the wheel on how you climb up.

Andrew Zeller 22-02-2013 11:19

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Epic Video. Perhaps the best all around robot I have ever seen in my years in FIRST. Funny I actually thought about using this song in our reveal video a few months ago.

That is so cool how the hopper moves up from the intake to the shooter as seen at 0:23 in the video.

barn34 22-02-2013 11:28

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Mind = Blown

Hopefully, we'll get the opportunity to see that fine machine close up at championships this year. If so, it will be an honor to go toe-to-toe with this unicorn...or, better yet, fight along side it. Now, that would truly be an honor. Best of luck, guys...although, it doesn't seem like you're gonna need it. ;)

ghostmachine360 22-02-2013 11:29

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THE ROBOT GODS HAVE SPOKEN AND DELIVERED US PERFECTION. (Side note: WE ARE NOT WORTHY, WE ARE NOT WORTHY! *insert bowing action and hero worship*)

But seriously, I am starting to regret not refereeing at Lone Star now. Great robot. :D

wendymom 22-02-2013 11:41

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Please approve this video for mobile devices so I can see it from my phone. I won't be able to get to a computer for a while. I'm begging here

JB987 22-02-2013 11:43

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Another great robot from 118. Curious why they didn't include actual evidence of a 30 pt climb. Do their outriggers actually allow enough upward penetration at the top to let them raise high enough to clear totally into the top zone? Scene at 2:05 + still shows a 20 pt climb.

ajlapp 22-02-2013 11:51

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For mobile devices...

http://db.tt/GplOG6jT

JesseK 22-02-2013 11:51

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:ahh: Fantastic robot, as always.

I think I'll go do my taxes now.

Sean Raia 22-02-2013 11:56

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The climbing mechanism on this robot is ingenious.

I cannot believe all of that actuation fits in that robot...

joelg236 22-02-2013 12:09

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Honestly the best designed robot I've seen in FIRST. And the mechanism shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...9bZ4fk#t=33 s

What is it..?

apples000 22-02-2013 12:18

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I'm pretty sure a 2:41 it's a 30 pt climb. You can see the robot bump out as the notched wheel clears the 2nd bar. I'm curious to know what the full climb time is. I'm not sure, but it looks like some refinement could make it go even faster!

z_beeblebrox 22-02-2013 12:34

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This matches 1717 2012 and 254 2011 for amazing awesomeness. How are you aiming? Computer vision? Preset positions? Something else?

JohnFogarty 22-02-2013 13:03

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How did you get the addressable LED light strips running?

Toa Circuit 22-02-2013 13:18

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This...

Im quitting FIRST now. This is awesome. 118, you are by far one of my favorite teams.
There's only a few things I see it doesn't do, neither of which are very big:
1. Dump frisbees (Who cares though when you can probably get a easy shot into the pyramid, though you never showed this in the video)
2. Pick up and shoot upside down disks (Though I don't see this is going to happen much.)
3. Have a fan or other mechanism to block shots

This looks like a bot that would be a dream to drive when it works, and a nightmare to compete against or try and repair. (Or wire)

I would say good luck, but I don't think it would do you any help whatsoever.

TheMadCADer 22-02-2013 13:24

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Originally Posted by Toa Circuit (Post 1238613)
This looks like a bot that would be a dream to drive when it works, and a nightmare to compete against or try and repair.

It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :p

Madison 22-02-2013 13:41

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The thing that impresses me most about 118's robots is how feature-dense they are. While we come up with ideas and look for a subset of them we are confident we can make work, it seems like they manage to pack in everything each year. I'd love to get a closer look at how a machine like this gets designed.

JohnSchneider 22-02-2013 13:43

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Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1238607)
How did you get the addressable LED light strips running?

We use the same ones and they go through a 12->5V power converter and then work off the relay ports on the digital sidecar. The code is super way over my head though.

Kevin Sevcik 22-02-2013 13:50

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Originally Posted by TheMadCADer (Post 1238617)
It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :p

Quoted for truth. One of the few weaknesses of 118's robots lately seems to be robustness. Last year they were breaking wheels every other match. Hopefully they've worked out some of those issues this year.

TVwazhere 22-02-2013 13:53

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And the winner of the 2013 FRC Nationals is....

Andrew Lawrence 22-02-2013 13:55

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Originally Posted by TVwazhere (Post 1238636)
And the winner of the 2013 FRC Nationals is....

This robot is amazing, and even I admit to calling them champions after seeing the video the first time, but you can't just hand them a trophy yet. They're good, but that does't mean they're Einstein good.

Plus, there's ways you can stop them. It's not all that hard. You just need some smart playing.

Kevin_Morris 22-02-2013 14:02

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Definitely one of the best reveal videos I've seen a long time. The aerial shots and bonus footage at the end (as always) were a treat.


Another prime example of a highly competitive robot from 118. Can't wait to see it in person at Lonestar.

Hallry 22-02-2013 14:16

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Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1238639)
They're good, but that does't mean they're Einstein good..

Well, they are Einstein good, they just haven't won Einstein yet. They were on Einstein last year for example. And if it weren't for comm. problems, who knows what could have happened.

Anupam Goli 22-02-2013 14:18

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1238658)
Well, they are Einstein good, they just haven't won Einstein yet. They were on Einstein last year for example. And if it weren't for comm. problems, who knows what could have happened.

IIRC, it wasn't comms, just some gyro issues.

Definitely a robot that's capable of going. it's not going to be easy to beat them, but anything is possible if there's a field as deep as SVR.

Tom Bottiglieri 22-02-2013 14:39

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Great looking robot. SVR should be fun.

makahn64 22-02-2013 14:42

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I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

Karthik 22-02-2013 14:45

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.

Garten Haeska 22-02-2013 14:52

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

Yes I would like to see the BOM also, there is no way that they have under 4k spent on this robot.

McGurky 22-02-2013 14:52

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Simply Beautiful.

So many features packed into such a small space, and amazing reveal footage.

Great work!

Garret 22-02-2013 14:52

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The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.
Still disappointing that it appears at all... especially when to me it looks like that is just tons of beautiful sheet metal fabrication which is relatively cheap (less COTS parts and smarter design reduce cost). I would guess most robots cost more than this one actually.

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Yes I would like to see the BOM also, there is no way that they have under 4k spent on this robot.
It doesn't matter how much in total was spent all that matters is how much the value of the components is, and I can say that this robot does not look like over 4k at all to me, especially because it is all custom parts by the look of it which is just material cost (aka cheap).

Also why bring down a great robot if you are worse than it, I feel better if I am worse than a totally amazing robot; calling it anything less than that just simply brings you down and does not do anyone any good. its pointless and self-defeating to focus on how bad the great robots are when you would be better off focusing on what makes your robot good and and aspiring to become great.

sdcantrell56 22-02-2013 14:52

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

You should check out the cost of raw materials. If you make all your own components, robots become quite inexpensive.

Drivencrazy 22-02-2013 14:54

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Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1238673)
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.

I wouldn't have been surprised to see this on the first page.

xSAWxBLADEx 22-02-2013 14:54

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Originally Posted by makahn64
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

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Originally Posted by Karthik
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.

I agree, if your team lived near a huge potential you would run after it too. Don't criticize them for what they have, learn from what they do.

Nathan Streeter 22-02-2013 14:55

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K.

I doubt the BOM for this robot would be excessive at all - and actually may be quite a bit less than many teams'! FIRST says donated parts (sheets of aluminum laser cut and bent to shape by sponsors) don't count in the cost roll-up... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Apex had a lower total at the bottom of their BOM than most teams that buy more parts, gearboxes, etc....

FIRST encourages teams to partner with companies and individuals to spread FIRST and elevate the quality of robots and level of play. If you disagree with this, feel free to find one of the dozens of threads about "FRC team philosophy" and take your side... this thread isn't the right place.

barn34 22-02-2013 14:56

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

I'm sorry, but I am so sick of this crap. It's obvious these students and mentors put in a lot of work designing and building this incredible machine. They do it every year. There's no doubt the students have been inspired by this creation (not just 118s, but obviously students from every team that's seen this amazing video...just look at the last 128 comments for proof). And it's not just the students that get inspired by them either. I'm a professional engineer and I'm inspired by this. It's not just this year either, it's year after year. In that respect, 118 embodies everything this entire program is supposed to be about: INSPIRATION. Respect that. Acknowledge that. Support that.

ttakashima 22-02-2013 14:59

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

I see a lot of parts on 118's robot after watching their video 10 or 15 times that could be considered cheap or free..... Pneumatics-Donated (3), Sensors PDV+Andymark FIRST Choice, Their White plastic material could probably bought for under 200 bucks, sheet aluminum 1/8 wall 4x12 ft for us in hawaii is only $470, manufacture time does not count into their BOM because NASA is a recognized sponsor, electronics can technically mostly be FIRST Choice/KOP, motors FIRST Choice and VEX donation.....

$4000 now looks like a lot doesnt it?

A great usage of KOP items imo....

I would like to add that 118s robot is probably cheaper than our bot and we had a build budget of only $2000 + KOP parts/electronics...

thefro526 22-02-2013 15:00

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

... Seriously?

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Originally Posted by R14
The BOM cost of each non-KOP item must be calculated based on the unit fair market value for the material and/or labor, except for labor provided by team members (including sponsor employees who are members of the team) and shipping.

By your logic, there is no team in FRC that would be able to field a legal robot. Assuming a team purchased nothing to build their robot, then they would be left with $4,000 to put towards man power. Even at federal minimum wage, this works out to ~550 man hours... I'm confident that every machine that you'll see on the field this year has more time into it than that.

Even if we ignore man power and consider the machines used, I'd say that you'd still be hard pressed to find a machine that didn't have more than $4,000 in billable machine use/time. (Seems like even smaller/newer teams have a minimum of $2k-3k in tools)

coalhot 22-02-2013 15:11

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

Can we not have this discussion here? It's a topic that's been beaten to death already, do a quick search on CD and you'll see. Plainly, I'm quite sick of it. How can you draw any conclusion without actually looking at the robot? 3 minutes of video isn't really much to make conclusions off of. Please. Make another thread if you want to gripe about it.

Props to 118. I've followed their robots over the years, this is the most impressive one I've seen to date. However, I'm predicting there will be robots that can match it. I'll be watching the webcasts intently.

nathannfm 22-02-2013 15:29

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I don't care who built this robot, It's still amazing and should be an inspiration to us all.

xSAWxBLADEx 22-02-2013 15:34

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Originally Posted by nathannfm (Post 1238701)
I don't care who built this robot, It's still amazing and should be an inspiration to us all.

that's my opinion too! Every year, 118 inspires our team to dream for the stars, and land on mars. If 118 wasn't there we wouldn't be off the ground. Think about it every superstar has critics. Keep doing what you do 118.

dcarr 22-02-2013 15:35

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My cousin lives minutes from the Robonauts in Texas and I'm urging her to do whatever it takes to join this team in high school.

118 packs more inspiration into one video than practically anyone else.

AllenGregoryIV 22-02-2013 15:40

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Originally Posted by xSAWxBLADEx (Post 1238704)
*built
that's my opinion too! Every year, 118 inspires our team to dream for the stars, and land on mars. If 118 wasn't there we wouldn't be off the ground. Think about it every superstar has critics. Keep doing what you do 118.

I've been playing against a 118 robot every year for the past 11 years. Some times we come out ahead but most of the time we don't. However they are always fueling us to do more. My team spent more time this year than ever on our robot, we learned about new technologies and yes we spent more money. Part of the reason we did these things is we knew that we had to compete with the likes of 118 and 148 and that's a good thing. They don't set a bar for others to meet, they prove that there is no bar.

Kevin Sevcik 22-02-2013 15:41

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Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1238706)
My cousin lives minutes from the Robonauts in Texas and I'm urging her to do whatever it takes to join this team in high school.

118 packs more inspiration into one video than practically anyone else.

FYI, there's a fair number of other teams in the Houston area that aren't too shabby. Just in case she can't, you know, move to an entirely different school district just to be on 118. :rolleyes:

Jrat47 22-02-2013 15:44

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wow!!!! you guys are going to be awesome!!!!

JesseK 22-02-2013 15:45

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 1238679)
You should check out the cost of raw materials. If you make all your own components, robots become quite inexpensive.

This +1.

We did our own WCD this year. Since we did it ourselves from stock components (except the gearboxes, wheels & sprockets) it costs less than the kit bot drive train.

Hjelstrom 22-02-2013 15:46

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All I can say is wow! We've learned to anticipate 118's reveals and it definitely did not disappoint once again. Seemingly effortless full-court shooting, shooting from anywhere on the field, climbing, floor pickup, picking up 2 side-by-side discs, it seems to do almost everything extremely well. WOW!

dcarr 22-02-2013 15:49

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1238712)
FYI, there's a fair number of other teams in the Houston area that aren't too shabby. Just in case she can't, you know, move to an entirely different school district just to be on 118. :rolleyes:

Haha, 57 would be good too :) Know what team Clear Lake High School would be part of?

AllenGregoryIV 22-02-2013 15:51

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Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1238721)
Haha, 57 would be good too :) Know what team Clear Lake High School would be part of?

That would be the 118 system, as far as I know.

dcarr 22-02-2013 16:07

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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1238724)
That would be the 118 system, as far as I know.

:) Thanks

Akash Rastogi 22-02-2013 16:07

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

I'm glad I know a student from your team who is level-headed.

PayneTrain 22-02-2013 16:11

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Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1238673)
The ChiefDelphi community deserves a prize today. It took 128 posts for this type nonsense to appear. I would have guessed somewhere in the 60's.

Most trolls do have a bedtime :D .

I know getting my electrical/biometric/computer engineering degree is important and all, and so is employment, but can I apply for a "mentor" position where I really just watch you guys work and try to keep my brain in solid form?

Racer26 22-02-2013 16:14

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

The playing field IS level. We all play according to the same rules. There are big sponsors everywhere, you just have to show them you're worthwhile to spend their money on. You'll notice that the superstar teams (148, 118, 217, 254, 1114, 2056, 233, 25, 16, 67, 987, etc) are not concentrated in any one particular area.

The superstars aren't great because they have great sponsors. They have great sponsors BECAUSE they're great.

Nuttyman54 22-02-2013 16:16

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1238744)
I know getting my electrical/biometric/computer engineering degree is important and all, and so is employment, but can I apply for a "mentor" position where I really just watch you guys work and try to keep my brain in solid form?

You know....

118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....

Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:

Joon Park 22-02-2013 16:18

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And of course they chose not to reveal it during premier night.

118 you have exceeded all expectations.

Akash Rastogi 22-02-2013 16:20

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I'm curious, Justin, how many RC helicopters do you guys have to budget for this year? :rolleyes:

Still watched this all morning today between classes. 1) I can't get enough of the bot, 2) brilliantly produced video, 3) I really just wanted to hear Can't Hold Us all day haha.

dcarr 22-02-2013 16:27

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Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1238751)
Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:

I feel like most of the video would just be blurred out :P

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1238755)
3) I really just wanted to hear Can't Hold Us all day haha.

I saw pics of Macklemore shooting a video on the Row at USC a few weeks ago (probably for this song)...he could have saved some coin and simply used this as the official music video with a few cameos.

NXTGeek 22-02-2013 16:56

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One thing that makes FIRST powerful is how we, coming from a community team that works out of a garage with limited resources, have learned so much, have become so inspired, that we know that we can build a robot that can be as successful and excellent as any of the Robonauts' golden robots. Without teams like them, we wouldn't see the potential we have to be excellent! And after spending countless hours buildinng, designing, and outreaching with my teammates, I still wouldn't mind losing to a team like this at all: every endeavor we make benefits our skills, and whenever we become better we inspire others as well. Kudos, Robonauts!

Meredith Novak 22-02-2013 17:08

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Robonauts are a national treasure. Apex is a work of art. It should be in a museum. Immediately.

Great job. Congratulations!

ghostmachine360 22-02-2013 17:08

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Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

We have a level playing field. They have the sponsors because they've gone above and beyond to excel in what they do. It's like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhHONpmlxPc

Your logic is like saying Michael Jordan was a great basketball player because of the shoes. He was the best before & after those shoes. Those students that you just discounted with your comment; they worked tirelessly & in seamless collaboration with mentors/sponsors/their community to push the envelope in exceeding the images of extravagant gameplay that FIRST hoped to cultivate within its students. They would probably still be doing this even with the simplest of equipment.

I had the pleasure of attending a Week 0 event locally as a referee & as a member of GeorgiaFIRST. While walking around, I found a robot that looked simply amazing. 4 cylinder shooter, ridiculously exceptional drive train, and an ingenious corkscrew system to adjust their shooting & Frisbee loading. It was something to look at. Wish I had a picture to put here.

When I asked about their materials to create these amazing things, you know what they told me majority of their materials came from?

Their local junkyard. They have the drive, and they have the ingenuity to create something with the simplest of materials and absence of things my old team would consider to be a given right, and they created something I expect to see in the elimination rounds at Peachtree.

The Robonauts are the best because they do the things that are hard, and they have reached and surpassed the point in their collective walk in where they are stepping outside their previous comfort zones, and endeavor to do greater things than others have ever thought or attempted to do. That's the secret to their robot; not the money or the access, but the individual heart and spirit in everyone that steps inside that workshop to go big, and become the best. To finish my annoyance with your statement, here's a quote from President Kennedy that a mentor from another team showed me when I was writing a speech for the Peachtree Regional (and it fits with this team):

“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”

Again, great robot, great students and mentors; and overall, great team. Makes me proud to know one of the alumni from my alma mater assists as a mentor in this amazing collaborative.

End of rant.

ehfeinberg 22-02-2013 17:13

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How are you guys able to alter the spin of the disc. In some shots, the disc veers hard left, while some veer hard right (and everywhere in between).

Now if I am not mistaken, it looks like the entire top half of the robot can slide up and down (0:49). Is there any particular reason for this?

Beautiful robot! Good luck and we'll see you at competition.

Kevin Sevcik 22-02-2013 17:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meredith Novak (Post 1238777)
Robonauts are a national treasure. Apex is a work of art. It should be in a museum. Immediately.

*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)

Meredith Novak 22-02-2013 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1238784)
*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)

Of course. But they probably have a dastardly practice robot. :rolleyes:

Brandon_L 22-02-2013 17:27

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ehfeinberg 22-02-2013 17:27

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At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?

rcmolloy 22-02-2013 17:30

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I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.

Lil' Lavery 22-02-2013 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rcmolloy (Post 1238792)
I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.

I'd certainly hope they'd have all the components of their robot on there as well.

IanW 22-02-2013 17:36

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This robot is an amazing feat of engineering. The robots 118 builds are only the visual product of what must be an extraordinary program of learning and inspiration, for students and mentors. EVEN IF it was entirely developed by professional engineers, I would still be amazed. Creating such an intricate machine in six weeks is awesome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1238751)
You know....

118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....

Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:

This would be very interesting, but I would be satisfied with a detailed explanation of their process, from how they manage their team and train their members, to how they distribute and manage the workload of designing and fabricating such a robot. I think I might learn more usable info if they focused their engineering process, not about the specific design decisions they made for this year's robot.

All I can say is that I'd love to attend The 118 School of Project Management and Design.
And that I am inspired by their work.

Clinton Bolinger 22-02-2013 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg (Post 1238790)
At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?

Actually, if you look closely their intake lifts and does not pick up the Red or Blue disc that are on the floor. So they are actually using code to prevent them from picking up more the 4 disc.

Great machine, I hope to see it in person at some point this season.

-Clinton-

ehfeinberg 22-02-2013 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1238796)
Actually, if you look closely their intake lifts and does not pick up the Red or Blue disc that are on the floor. So they are actually using code to prevent them from picking up more the 4 disc.

Great machine, I hope to see it in person at some point this season.

-Clinton-

But at (0:22) they shoot 5 discs, unless I just can't count.

dodar 22-02-2013 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg (Post 1238810)
But at (0:22) they shoot 5 discs, unless I just can't count.

You mean they pick up 5 discs(4 white and 1 red).

kingbrandon14 22-02-2013 18:14

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Go back to Hogwarts. Haha best robot I've seen all year, by far! Can't wait to watch you compete... at EINSTEIN :cool:

Jorge Ayala 22-02-2013 18:15

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It's a shame you are not going to San Antonio this year :(

MichaelaK 22-02-2013 18:54

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Why aren't you guys coming to CT again?!?

jwallace15 22-02-2013 19:04

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Here are some reactions from some of our team members this morning:
Oh my god!
How did they keep this under 120 pounds?
I like the lights!
That robot is legit.
We're done for.
Why can't I be on 118?
(and my personal favourite) That poor helicopter!!!

Seriously. Legit. Robot. I am in love with it!!!
Good luck to you guys this year!

Ankit S. 22-02-2013 19:20

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You guys are truly an inspiration.

I'll make sure to drop by at SVR!

McGurky 22-02-2013 19:24

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I do not know if someone has brought this up before, but I love the way that you have "passed the torch" from the past years robot to the current years in each of your last two robots unavailing videos.

Ekcrbe 22-02-2013 19:30

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Alright. This is how I can sum up what I see.

Every team builds a robot. Most of them complete one or a number of the prescribed game challenges. Many of them are competitively successful to some degree. Few of them dominate the competition with nearly every potential ability.

And only one always does what 118 always does.

Congratulations Team 118 on finishing another build season, creating another phenomenal robot, and earning another impressed spectator. If we get back to IRI, I will probably be spending all my free time before quals start in your pit again.

iambujo 22-02-2013 19:33

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Whoa. 6 weeks!!
I'm filled with emotion from watching the video! 99% inspired and awestricken, and maybe 1% depressed. There are certainly teams (118 clearly included) that are in a league of their own. The CAD, modeling and rapid prototyping to pull off a package like this is a testament to rock solid system engineering practices, planning and a ton of hard work.

Yes teams get to compete side by side, regardless of their experience and resources (there's the inspiring and depressing :) ). Sometimes I feel like there should be levels for competing, or handicap scores, but that's not the real world [and a well traveled CD topic already...]. In the real world you have to compete regardless of the caliber of your competition or you won't even make it out the door.

So congrats to 118 for blowing my mind, and all the teams out there for working hard and doing the best you can with what you have!

philso 22-02-2013 20:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rcmolloy (Post 1238792)
I bet if anyone took a look at the 118's Bill of Materials the only thing that would be on there is hard work and that's priceless.

It is most likely that one would also find Dedication, Ingenuity, Perseverance, Experience and Courage.

What did 4334 (ATA) have on their BOM that got them to Einstein?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1238751)
You know....

118 does amazing reveal videos every year, it's clear they have a phenomenal media team. It would be really interesting if they did a full documentary style video of their build season. I suspect a lot of people (myself included) would love to watch a feature length documentary on the 118 build process....

Of course, maybe that would involve giving away too many trade secrets :rolleyes:


I suspect that a lot of people would pay for a DVD of that. I know I would.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1238784)
*snrk* I'm trying to decide if you meant to do that. :)

Would your boss happen to have some space free in his facility to start a museum? I think he is the sort of man who would appreciate having the opportunity to admire Apex very day. :D

Chris Fultz 22-02-2013 21:29

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Awesome. An Inspiration to All Teams. Great Machine.

lcoreyl 22-02-2013 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by familyguyfreak (Post 1238384)
Question: What's the max number of frisbees your hopper can hold? It looks like you can hold a lot more than 4. Just curious.

This(large frisbee capacity) + very fast reliable floor harvest + rapid fire + 118's history (i.e. why not shoot and score while in a triple balance?)

My guess for sometime this season but likely during their very first regional: Their "auto goal" points from one match will be greater than the average regional total for the majority of FRC teams.

From that video I see no reason why they couldn't score at least 60 "auto goal" points in a given match. :eek:

Bill_B 22-02-2013 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg (Post 1238790)
At some points it looks like you guys pickup/hold/shoot more than 4 discs (0:18). Is this just because you can or was there a specific design choice to hold more than 4 discs?

There are quick cuts in this video that are not necessarily in exact chronological sequence. The first frisbee "stream" I noted was revealed in a zoom out to be Apex handling feeder station supplied discs, probably not more than 4 on board at a time. In fact, to suppose that a reveal video from such a high-level effort would point out some deficiency might be considered something of a slight to both the team and video maker. I'll go back and look again, but not because I expect to find error, rather because I like the exposition.

lcoreyl 22-02-2013 22:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_B (Post 1238926)
to suppose that a reveal video from such a high-level effort would point out some deficiency

Why would this be a deficiency?

dtengineering 23-02-2013 00:44

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After six weeks of busting our butts to build the best machine we could, I remember what it would feel like to sit down and watch a 118 reveal video.

While I don't have the six weeks of butt-busting any more, these machines and the videos are no less awesome.

It's teams like this that make FRC "the big league" of high school robotics. Well done 118... well done again!

Jason

waialua359 23-02-2013 02:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadCADer (Post 1238617)
It wouldn't be a 118 robot if it doesn't break down in the semi-finals at Lone Star. :p

It didnt last year.:rolleyes:

Sean Raia 23-02-2013 19:20

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*Gasp*
Is one of your wheels randomly not in contact with the ground at 0:37?

It's on the back and the far side from the camera, i'm just curious as to why that would be.

dcarr 23-02-2013 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1239353)
*Gasp*
Is one of your wheels randomly not in contact with the ground at 0:37?

It's on the back and the far side from the camera, i'm just curious as to why that would be.

I'm assuming the middle wheels are dropped a bit so that would be expected?

toastnbacon 24-02-2013 18:31

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This is a beautiful bot! Does she have a name?

Kevin Sevcik 24-02-2013 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by toastnbacon (Post 1239807)
This is a beautiful bot! Does she have a name?

You might want to pay closer attention to the first 5 seconds of the video.:rolleyes:

=Martin=Taylor= 24-02-2013 23:39

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Why didn't I think of that?

Just do everything!! duh :D

Well done. As 120 posts have pointed out, this marks something of a pinnacle in FIRST engineering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

This is what they refer to in the hip hop community as a classic case of "Haters gonna hate" :)

Hypothetically, if FIRST concocted some ridiculous rule to limit the capital resources of teams, 118 would STILL dominate because (obviously) they are willing to spend an enormous amount of time prototyping, designing, and building an incredible robot.

I for one am completely content NOT spending that much time building a robot. If a group of people are crazy enough to dedicate this much time to an after-school project, then I say let 'em, and give them some awards too so they keep doing it!

Besides, we're just as likely to play with them as against them in quals.

This robot is an unbelievable triumph of creativity, engineering, and teamwork. 'nuf said

Libby K 25-02-2013 00:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

I, like Karthik, am incredibly surprised it took this long for a comment like this. But that's just a reflection of how disappointed I am in how ChiefDelphi has turned lately. All I hear is negativity.

Rather than try to tear them down, why don't you talk to the team and see what YOU can do to try to bring yourselves up to their level?!

Every time I hear 'FIRST should level the playing field', what people are usually saying is 'FIRST should bring the playing field down to me, so I don't have to work harder to achieve the level of success someone else has.' Pull yourselves up, don't tear others down. It's much better for everyone that way.

What's truly sad is that people on your team who don't feel this way are probably going to get negative messages just for having the same number on their profile. Because that's the way the world works.

General Disclaimer to CD: Your comments are going to reflect on other people, and that's unfair to your teammates. I hope the backlash from this makes people think about what they say & how it comes across.

They say you should never go to bed angry... too bad I logged onto Chief when I did. I'm honestly pretty disappointed in this forum lately. There are gems, but then there are things like this.

118, you have a beautiful robot and I can't wait to see it in action. Don't let the haters drag you down.

Ian Curtis 25-02-2013 00:37

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I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.

Quote:

I was trying to fly without leaving the ground,
Cause I wanted to be like Mike, right
Wanted to be him, I wanted to be that guy, I wanted to touch the rim
I wanted to be cool, and I wanted to fit in,
I wanted what he had, America, it begins

I want to fly
Can you take me far away
Give me a star to reach for
Tell me what it takes
And I'll go so high
I'll go so high
My feet won't touch the ground


dcarr 25-02-2013 00:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1240003)
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.

Wait, you mean Macklemore has more songs other than Thrift Shop??? :P

Andrew Zeller 25-02-2013 01:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1240003)
I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.

While I absolutely love Macklemore, I was thinking Up and Away by Can't Stop Won't Stop would also be fitting for an awesome Level 3 climber unveiling video.

Bdf809 25-02-2013 01:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by makahn64 (Post 1238672)
I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

You also realize that no team on the World Champion alliance last year had any sort of facility to fabricate parts for them like 118 does. There's a plethora of good teams that don't. 118 just happens to one good team that has that kind of sponsorship.

Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.

dcarr 25-02-2013 02:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bdf809 (Post 1240016)
Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.

Well put! Quoted for truth.

Tristan Lall 25-02-2013 02:22

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I'm puzzled why I've never heard of this Macklemore. He's got good stuff in his music—a proper instrumental track, amusing satire, trenchant commentary on consumerism and religion, proper reverence for baseball and delicate political activism. On his website, he even posted this genuinely thoughtful justification for watering down his song critiquing consumerism so the NBA could use it without offending Nike—and how in doing so, he was craftily playing the long game.

Oh, and that was a pretty cool robot too.

efoote868 25-02-2013 02:26

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Other than the reveal video, are there specs you would care to release? (Things that you can't tell from the video or wouldn't be able to tell without seeing your robot in the pits or on a field).

Was there space for a shifting transmission, what are the reductions / top speeds?

How fast can you climb the pyramid outside a controlled setting?

And most importantly, have you tested to find the limit to your shooter's range? :D


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