Re: Is max score even possible?
 

My bad, miscalculated that, fixed it now!
I still think it's very possible that we could see 300 though.

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Here, I have to disagree with you. I find it unlikely that the teams will be so much in sync that they'll all be doing their shooting at exactly the same time. Plus, the goal is wide enough, and the good shooters are consistent enough, that there's plenty of room for each bot to pick an area of the goal. Good alliances didn't have much trouble last year sharing the 3-point basket; this will be easier.[/quote]

Maybe at Champs, but at most regionals this will come into play.

BTW your robot rocks! Best of the reveals I have seen so far!

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

I definitely think 250 points will be scored by an alliance like a "1114/2056/decent partner" in the regional season... essentially any regional/district with two "elite caliber" teams that partner and can select a valuable partner will have potential to exceed 250, with scores like these:

8 of 9 pre-loaded auto discs: 48
5 of 6 floor auto discs: 30

32 white discs in high goal: 96
4 colored discs in pyramid goal: 20

2 30pt hangs: 60
1 10pt hang: 10

Total: 264pts

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That said, I do think at least a match (or more) will exceed 300... probably only at MSC, where elimination offense is high with the potential for 2 "elite -caliber" robots with a great partner. A score might be like:

9 of 9 pre-loaded auto discs: 54
6 of 6 floor auto discs: 36

40 white discs in high goal: 120
6 colored discs in pyramid goal: 30

2 30pt hangs: 60
1 10pt hang: 10

Total: 310pts

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I do think that the "perfect" auto will occur, where an alliance scores the 9 pre-loaded discs and 6 floor discs accessible on their half of the field... I expect it to occur less than 5 times though... despite more than 10 alliances being capable of it.

I do also suspect the perfect finale to occur, with all 3 robots suspended for 30 points each... I think this is likely to occur only at a non regional/district event (i.e. MSC, MAR, or championship) where the depth of the field enables the third climber to be picked in the 2nd round.

I am skeptical that the "perfect" teleop with 45 white discs (scored high) and 6 colored discs will occur or be exceeded... The high goal does have a max capacity, defense is allowed to be more effective in teleop than in auto or the finale, and alliances will cut short attempts for the "perfect teleop" to go climb.

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Don't think I'm saying that Ultimate Ascent will just have typical scores 2x most other games (where elite scores are >100 but <150)... Although I do think the "crazy" scores I've mentioned will occur, they are far from the norm...

Usually FRC seasons have few elites, a significant number of "top contenders," a very large number of teams in the middle range, and a surprisingly large group that never scores a point for themselves.

Some regionals/districts will have a top score less than 100 while a similar number will exceed 200.

My predictions... I'm curious to see how well they pan out!

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

This has been covered already I am sure, but anyway.... In my opinion, Possible? Yes. Probable? No. My reasoning is simple. There is nothing stopping the possibilty of a maximum score. However, it would be quite a feat to pull it off.

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I'm curious to see what happens on the other end. I remember our first match at Orlando during Rebound Rumble ended 3-3, and all season (both Orlando and World Champs) I don't remember being involved in a match that was much higher than 100. What do you guys think the average scores will be at regionals and at Worlds?

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Please show me how you are going to fit 45 frisbees in the 3 point goal. :)

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Along with the other threads on CD, the optimism I see here is ridiculous.

Even just a score of 250 will be a long-shot. I mean that quite literally, as you would almost certainly need a full court shooter with >80% accuracy.

It is possible but it won't happen.

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I agree we're being pretty optimistic, but I still think 200 will happen. Both a 70-point alliance climb and 78-point auto are very realistic, and I'll be very surprised if 78 ends up being the highest auto score for the year. 60-point teleops will happen, and won't need a full-court shooter. 100 teleop is achieveable. Toss in a tech foul or two....

Putting all of that into the same match will be very rare, but I think it'll happen.

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

I'm bringing this thread back now that we have seen the first two weeks of competition. Many doubted the possibility of 200 points, and that's already been broken by two different alliances in week two. That being said, what do you think is the highest score we will see?

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Not a max score, but the alliance of 4343, 1114, and 2809 used all the white disks behind their alliance station in Q43 at GTR East.

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Based on what I've seen so far, here's what I think.

The autonomous at Waterloo if 1114/2056/another team could pass 66, what with 2056 making a 42 point and 1114 making a 18 point autonomous and the other making 2, possibly 3 in the top. There's about 66/72.

Then you have climbers; 1114 has a 30 point climber, 2056 has a 10 point climber and, if they can manage to procure a decent third member, a 10 point hang from them. You've got 50 in the bag right there.

Now, assuming the third alliance member can manage 2 disc relays of 4 in the top hoop since they'd probably do things a lot slower. That's 24 points there, bringing the whole thing to about 140-150 or so points. To get the 100, you'd need each of the other 2 to get about 50 points each to reach the 250 mark. 1114 was in a match in GTRE where they scored 16 frisbees, and another where they scored around 18. Those two robots are lightning fast and they both operate different parts of the field for pickup--namely the floor and the feeder station--so they wouldn't get in each other's way. Even though 1114 uses the feeder station, the human player+intake fluidity+speed makes it irrelevant in terms of points per match. In this case, the alliance would net a few points ahead of 260, if not more.

This is assuming the defense is lacking/doesn't exist against them.

And imagine how they (you can sub 1114 and 2056 for other elite bots like the astounding 254/987 combo) could do if they were at champs, where the 3rd bot is still a formidable little machine. 250 seems like a very likely thing to happen for at least one alliance; based on what I've seen, I think 2 or 3 different sets of alliances will break the 250 point barrier.

No comment on breaking 300, I just don't see it.

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

211 was done in week 2 by 1114/2056/1325.

250 will be done by a stronger alliance at a deeper event like GTRW or MSC.

300 might happen at CMP or IRI, but not before.

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

If we do see a score above 300 before champs, look in GTWR, Michigan championships, or at SVR. SVR especially has a very deep field, and it would not be surprising to see a top-seeded alliance pick up another strong robot for their second pick that slipped through the cracks.

A score of 300 is probably very unlikely, but entirely possible. With any sort of decent defense, though, I don't think that we'll ever see it happen. Unless I'm wrong, of course. That happens occasionally.

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Standing by my initial position: 300 will not be broken this year.
250 will, probably 275, and we just might see above 290 ever so slightly, but 300 will remain untouched through IRI.

Just too much would have to go perfect; not enough room for error.

Re: Is max score even possible?
 

I would claim MSC will be deeper than anything but IRI and Champs...