Is max score even possible?
 

So after doing the math, I calculate that the maximum score (without penalties) is 345. This score would require...

All 3 robots to start autonomous with three discs and score all of them into the three point goal.
To pick up and score the 4 frisbees on ones side and the two in the middle and score all of them into the three point goal before autonomous ends.
Score all 45 white frisbees during teleop into the 3 point goal.
Score all 6 colored frisbees into the pyramid goal.
Have all three robots hang for 30 points.

All that said, is this even possible? Not even in a match, but on a 3v0 practice field, could the right three robots pull it off?

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We are assuming that you will not be scoring the other alliance's 51 discs, correct? Theoretically, those could all miss and your alliance could pick them up and score them to adding 153 to your max score.

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I did forget about those, but for now lets assume the answer is no. Although if you feel compelled, say if you think the max score we will see is in fact higher than 345.

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In my opinion, nope, no chance that we see a score even close to 345. In fact, I don't think we will see one over 300. I think that until championships, the highest score will be about 180 and then at championships we will see it just over 200, maybe 225. Preparing to eat my words with "the robots up on the mountain" as Koko Ed said still hiding but I don't see that much scoring happening.

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While I don't think we will see it, I have no doubt that it is possible. I bet an alliance capable could be built out of robots who we have seen already.

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Yes, it's possible.

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Yes.

Just from robots seen 1986, 16 and 25/103 if they have the 30 point climber they say they might.

I could see them pulling it off

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I'm sure it's possible, but I don't think we will see it happen.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say it: there will never be an alliance that achieves 300 points this season.

Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? No.
Alliance(s) at IRI and Nationals WILL top 250pts, but none will hit 300.

Therefore, no one will achieve the theoretical 345 maximum.

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I think it is very possible that we will see over 300.

Picture this, Alliance captain who shoots from the loading bay with 75% accuracy, which is very achievable by champs. Second robot sweeps up what they miss. Third robot is a climber and dumper, all have 30 point climbers. We have seen three robots capable of composing this alliance already and so I have no doubt it will be possible.

Auto mode they can get all the discs they have preloaded plus the floor = 90
Climbing = 90
That's already 180, all they have to do is score 120 in discs
30 from colored, that's only 90 now, which is only all of the discs from your loading bay in a 2 point goal, and we've seen multiple robots capable of that (180/118 +1986 sweeping up the misses).

I don't think we'll see it until championships but I think it will happen.
I think we'll see up to 155 in the first week, and then I think it's very possible for a second week regional (Orlando in particular) to break 200.

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200 will be easily achieved during weeks 1-6 by an alliance.

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After thinking about it some more, I found that two parts of scoring max points that will be the most challenging. I believe the two parts that won't let this happen easily are:
3 robots that can all hang for 30 together and fit easily.
Scoring all 6 colored frisbees.

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6 x ? = 50

Made me check the rest of your arithmetic. You may be right about the 300 though.

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I doubt you will see three 30 point climbs ever. You would need 1 inside and 2 outside climbers alligned in order for all 3 to fit. There is no way I see this ever happening,

I have not seen my next point addressed as of yet.

When you have all 3 bots shooting at the relatively small sapce of the 3 point goal at once, you are bound to have frisbees colliding and causing them both to miss. I think this will prove to be something that really lowers potential scoring.

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I don't know about "no way" but I think it highly unlikely that a 2nd outside climber will still be around to get picked. Even slow, 30-point, inside climbers are probably going to get drafted high.

Here, I have to disagree with you. I find it unlikely that the teams will be so much in sync that they'll all be doing their shooting at exactly the same time. Plus, the goal is wide enough, and the good shooters are consistent enough, that there's plenty of room for each bot to pick an area of the goal. Good alliances didn't have much trouble last year sharing the 3-point basket; this will be easier.

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My bad, miscalculated that, fixed it now!
I still think it's very possible that we could see 300 though.

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Here, I have to disagree with you. I find it unlikely that the teams will be so much in sync that they'll all be doing their shooting at exactly the same time. Plus, the goal is wide enough, and the good shooters are consistent enough, that there's plenty of room for each bot to pick an area of the goal. Good alliances didn't have much trouble last year sharing the 3-point basket; this will be easier.[/quote]

Maybe at Champs, but at most regionals this will come into play.

BTW your robot rocks! Best of the reveals I have seen so far!

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I definitely think 250 points will be scored by an alliance like a "1114/2056/decent partner" in the regional season... essentially any regional/district with two "elite caliber" teams that partner and can select a valuable partner will have potential to exceed 250, with scores like these:

8 of 9 pre-loaded auto discs: 48
5 of 6 floor auto discs: 30

32 white discs in high goal: 96
4 colored discs in pyramid goal: 20

2 30pt hangs: 60
1 10pt hang: 10

Total: 264pts

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That said, I do think at least a match (or more) will exceed 300... probably only at MSC, where elimination offense is high with the potential for 2 "elite -caliber" robots with a great partner. A score might be like:

9 of 9 pre-loaded auto discs: 54
6 of 6 floor auto discs: 36

40 white discs in high goal: 120
6 colored discs in pyramid goal: 30

2 30pt hangs: 60
1 10pt hang: 10

Total: 310pts

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I do think that the "perfect" auto will occur, where an alliance scores the 9 pre-loaded discs and 6 floor discs accessible on their half of the field... I expect it to occur less than 5 times though... despite more than 10 alliances being capable of it.

I do also suspect the perfect finale to occur, with all 3 robots suspended for 30 points each... I think this is likely to occur only at a non regional/district event (i.e. MSC, MAR, or championship) where the depth of the field enables the third climber to be picked in the 2nd round.

I am skeptical that the "perfect" teleop with 45 white discs (scored high) and 6 colored discs will occur or be exceeded... The high goal does have a max capacity, defense is allowed to be more effective in teleop than in auto or the finale, and alliances will cut short attempts for the "perfect teleop" to go climb.

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Don't think I'm saying that Ultimate Ascent will just have typical scores 2x most other games (where elite scores are >100 but <150)... Although I do think the "crazy" scores I've mentioned will occur, they are far from the norm...

Usually FRC seasons have few elites, a significant number of "top contenders," a very large number of teams in the middle range, and a surprisingly large group that never scores a point for themselves.

Some regionals/districts will have a top score less than 100 while a similar number will exceed 200.

My predictions... I'm curious to see how well they pan out!

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This has been covered already I am sure, but anyway.... In my opinion, Possible? Yes. Probable? No. My reasoning is simple. There is nothing stopping the possibilty of a maximum score. However, it would be quite a feat to pull it off.

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I'm curious to see what happens on the other end. I remember our first match at Orlando during Rebound Rumble ended 3-3, and all season (both Orlando and World Champs) I don't remember being involved in a match that was much higher than 100. What do you guys think the average scores will be at regionals and at Worlds?

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Please show me how you are going to fit 45 frisbees in the 3 point goal. :)

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Along with the other threads on CD, the optimism I see here is ridiculous.

Even just a score of 250 will be a long-shot. I mean that quite literally, as you would almost certainly need a full court shooter with >80% accuracy.

It is possible but it won't happen.

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I agree we're being pretty optimistic, but I still think 200 will happen. Both a 70-point alliance climb and 78-point auto are very realistic, and I'll be very surprised if 78 ends up being the highest auto score for the year. 60-point teleops will happen, and won't need a full-court shooter. 100 teleop is achieveable. Toss in a tech foul or two....

Putting all of that into the same match will be very rare, but I think it'll happen.

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I'm bringing this thread back now that we have seen the first two weeks of competition. Many doubted the possibility of 200 points, and that's already been broken by two different alliances in week two. That being said, what do you think is the highest score we will see?

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Not a max score, but the alliance of 4343, 1114, and 2809 used all the white disks behind their alliance station in Q43 at GTR East.

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Based on what I've seen so far, here's what I think.

The autonomous at Waterloo if 1114/2056/another team could pass 66, what with 2056 making a 42 point and 1114 making a 18 point autonomous and the other making 2, possibly 3 in the top. There's about 66/72.

Then you have climbers; 1114 has a 30 point climber, 2056 has a 10 point climber and, if they can manage to procure a decent third member, a 10 point hang from them. You've got 50 in the bag right there.

Now, assuming the third alliance member can manage 2 disc relays of 4 in the top hoop since they'd probably do things a lot slower. That's 24 points there, bringing the whole thing to about 140-150 or so points. To get the 100, you'd need each of the other 2 to get about 50 points each to reach the 250 mark. 1114 was in a match in GTRE where they scored 16 frisbees, and another where they scored around 18. Those two robots are lightning fast and they both operate different parts of the field for pickup--namely the floor and the feeder station--so they wouldn't get in each other's way. Even though 1114 uses the feeder station, the human player+intake fluidity+speed makes it irrelevant in terms of points per match. In this case, the alliance would net a few points ahead of 260, if not more.

This is assuming the defense is lacking/doesn't exist against them.

And imagine how they (you can sub 1114 and 2056 for other elite bots like the astounding 254/987 combo) could do if they were at champs, where the 3rd bot is still a formidable little machine. 250 seems like a very likely thing to happen for at least one alliance; based on what I've seen, I think 2 or 3 different sets of alliances will break the 250 point barrier.

No comment on breaking 300, I just don't see it.

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211 was done in week 2 by 1114/2056/1325.

250 will be done by a stronger alliance at a deeper event like GTRW or MSC.

300 might happen at CMP or IRI, but not before.

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If we do see a score above 300 before champs, look in GTWR, Michigan championships, or at SVR. SVR especially has a very deep field, and it would not be surprising to see a top-seeded alliance pick up another strong robot for their second pick that slipped through the cracks.

A score of 300 is probably very unlikely, but entirely possible. With any sort of decent defense, though, I don't think that we'll ever see it happen. Unless I'm wrong, of course. That happens occasionally.

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Standing by my initial position: 300 will not be broken this year.
250 will, probably 275, and we just might see above 290 ever so slightly, but 300 will remain untouched through IRI.

Just too much would have to go perfect; not enough room for error.

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I would claim MSC will be deeper than anything but IRI and Champs...

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On the contrary, I think the only way we'll see it break 300 is with defense. Really, really bad defense. :yikes:

Without that though, it seems quite unlikely in standard play. I think it basically necessitates the other alliance screwing up/breaking down in some way. If it does happen, I think it's more likely in MSC quals than in elims basically anywhere.

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MSC will for sure have plenty of high scores all through qualifications and elims. I think that it is very likely that we will for sure see 250, and possibly 290+ there with the alliances that will be made.

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Lets say you're at Quals at either MSC/CMP/IRI- you have two really good teams that got lucky to be together, along with a third, decent bot that could be an alliance captain at a smaller regional. They score amazingly- say 250/260 pts- except that one of the 10 pt climbers was hit by an opposing robot while they were climbing- BAM 300 pts due to the 20pt tech foul and automatic 30 pt climb.
I think an alliance will hit it in Quals, with fouls, but not in elims anywhere nor at any regional.
Just my two cents.