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Anything 2056 does that isn't putting in 110% effort into keeping their winning streak alive would be just plain stupid. If you have a problem that they picked 1114 (again), then build a better robot than them. Top tier teams don't pick teams because they are friends, they pick the best team remaining. Remember you don't have to be better than both of them, just one of them.

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I want to pull out the proverbial wacking stick.

The success of teams of 1114 and 2056 is inspiration, it inspires me to one day start FRC teams to combat the success of said "powerhouses."

I'll use a story from my FTC days. Back when I created the team 3864 I had already been to the FTC World Championship once and I knew who the powehouse teams were...2818, 1, 4447, etc. and after seeing their robots that year it inspired me to create a better team with a better robot. That rookie team went all the way to win the world championship in 2010. Now that success is unprecedented and is the exception to this argument, but teams like 1114 and 2056 are inspiring kids everyday and setting the bar high saying "you want this blue banner...well you come over here and get it."

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Hey- did anyone notice the other robots that were playing at this regional?

Or should we have a moderator rename this thread to "1114 and 2056 go to GTR East"

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Everytime I saw your team number I chuckled saying, "This team needs to win..." Also. Solid 30 pt climber, You have an blog posts on how it works anywhere?

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I'm just going to put this here, for my first response to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kpTvm6CYA

My secondary response:
I don't care whether a team has a lock already on a Championships spot already, or if they even had a automatic spot onto Einstein even; I would NEVER want them to go less than their 100%. It's a disservice to the men & women that organized & volunteered at the event, the sponsors who helped pay for the event, the spectators, the students competing, and themselves as a team/community. Your response is the evidence of wussification (reference to Christopher Titus, look him up) in a generation. You are never entitled to success. You must WORK FOR IT. If you want to change the competition dynamic, as Billfred said: outrank them.

It disheartens me every time to see these kinds of posts; we should be praising excellence from teams like 1114 & 2056, and emulating it; not invalidating it. There's a reason 1114 won the Championship Chairman's Award; they are a model, nay, the model for FIRST. I have tried to follow their standards through my years in FIRST after losing to them in 2009 at Championships during Division Elims, and it's worked out for me pretty well. Inaugral FRC Dean's List winner, starting my own robotics program, working for GeorgiaFIRST; I'm better off because I learned from them, not because I thought to bring them down in others' eyes (which I couldn't honestly, if I ever wanted to).

Final note: maybe you should watch this as well. It's their 2012 CCA video; it was one of my main inspirations in starting my robotics program later in 2012.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwz3FZqiuc

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Congratulations to 781 for earning the Chairman's Award. You guys have a strong program. Can't wait to see what comes next!

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Said it a couple weeks ago, and I'll say it again. The elite aren't great because they have great sponsors. They have great sponsors BECAUSE they're great.

There are many teams with big sponsors and budgets significantly larger than 1114/2056 and the rest of the elite, and they don't perform nearly as well, so you never hear about them.

The elite are great because of their great mentors. All of the elites have stellar mentors, and it shows.

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Lol thanks, we've got two more regionals to go so don't count us out yet! There is a long list of improvments to hash out over the next week and a bit before Boston. The team is very determined to make this year "Their" year to win.

Unfortunately we don't have any data posted specifically on how it works but I've got a pile of on-board GoPro video which should show the hardware in action. I'll try to get something posted soon. In the mean time, the reveal video one of our members made has some footage of our practice bot climbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LFh7...ature=youtu.be

Check us out on Facebook for updates. "Cybergnomes Robotics FRC Team 2013"

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As a driver for team 1325, it was almost surreal walking onto the field and accepting the alliance request from 2056 and 1114. Though we're really passionate, we haven't been very successful in the past. This year, we decided to put everything we had into it, which was made quite difficult by teachers' job action, our limited resources, and the fact that we have an extremely young team. Also, our first day of competition was pretty shaky,and we doubted making any alliances. However, like some of the other users have said previously, you can't whine about not winning a regional because of powerhouse teams. My opinion might seem biased since I was on their alliance, but I honestly believe that our team, as well as many others, look up to teams like 2056 and 1114, and try to emulate their actions.

Last year was my first year in FRC, and I spent a lot of time wondering how top-notch teams like theirs worked so well. After being on an alliance with them, and working with them, I've learned a lot. It's their attention to detail, their mentors, and their passionate students that really lift them up. They have their sponsors because of these qualities. They were calm, polite, and very professional, even though our robot and driving weren't as good as theirs. A lot of the improvement we experienced from last year to this year was because we looked at teams like 2056 and 1114 and tried to have similar qualities. We're not there yet, but they've certainly inspired us to try harder this season.

Something else I noticed during this regional was the increase in the quality of rookie teams. Especially noticeable was 4476, the WAFFLES. I had a hard time convincing people that they were a rookie team. Congrats to 781 for the RCA win! Something interesting during this regional was when 2013 (was it you guys with the 2-speeds? I think it was, correct me if I'm mistaken) tried to push us, and we had a 6-CIM drive train...it was cool to see what would happen. Have you ever tried headbutting anyone with those hats? :P

1241 is another team with a powerful bot, and they also had a pit to match. That pit setup was gorgeous, I'm jealous :P Also, 1075 had these awesome sparkly bumpers....our pit was right beside theirs, and I never grew tired of staring at their bumpers.

Obligatory first post note: This is my first post, so sorry if formatting/etiquette is off.

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First, congrats to 2056, 1114, and 1325; a phenomenal win. Congratulations also to 4343, 1241, and 216 for ignoring the memo about not having a chance & making the winning alliance work for it.

I'm not sure why Atonomous has a problem with the way alliance selections went. I support all teams picking the best robot to complement them & form a strong alliance; otherwise what's the point of competing? There's been a lot said about sponsorships, showing excellence, etc.; I won't repeat any of that.

The only thing I can think of that might be a good reason to pick someone else is to give that team "elite" playing experience. And I totally reject that as an acceptable reason. Teams at regionals the "elite" teams attend get the chance to play on alliances with them during qualifications, and (probably more importantly) get to see them close up both on & off the field. Any team that doesn't take advantage of proximity to other teams ("elite" or otherwise) to learn is shortchanging themselves & has no business blaming anyone but themselves for not doing so. And in no way should they wait for the other teams to initiate the conversation.

We've had the good fortune to be on winning regional alliances with 2 former World Champion teams. In one case they picked us; in the other they were our best pick. I'd hate to think that either picked us (or accepted our selection) just because they wanted to be nice or help give us experience. I know that the alliances formed because they were good for both teams, and that's the way it should have been.

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Among all this bickering I'd just like to say this regional had some amazing robots and watching how alliances worked out with different robot strengths was really enlightening and congrats to simbotics and op you inspire as always and to 1325 I can relate to your team

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4476, and 4718 too. Both had strong robots. If 4476 hadn't chosen 4718, they would have been the 6th alliance captain.

It helps having some strong veteran mentors though, 4476 has a former 610 mentor, and 4718 has at least one former 188 mentor.

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I'm not going to do the popular thing on Chief Delphi and take my pound of flesh out on this guy, so I will just say three things:


1. Why can't this ever be a normal thread? It is the same tired shtick every year. You say who's coming, you loosely catalog the event's happenings, you congratulate the teams, and move on. Instead, it's this all-out verbal war that has been fought on this site so many times it makes me sick.

2. I really want to be on the same field as some of these teams one day. I want to rise up above the rest, because pulling them down is pointless. If I was ever on a team that intentionally sandbagged an event, I couldn't be with them anymore. If I played on a field against teams who were sandbagging it, I wouldn't ever really win that match, would I?

3. If I am jealous of anything, I'm jealous of the quality of the average team that shows up to GTRE/W/Waterloo because 1114 and 2056 have pushed their whole country to step it up. 610 is going to have a battle in Waterloo after they tore up BAE, and I love it. That's what I want. I don't want to win all the time, I want my state to have a killer reputation for robotics instead of a killer reputation for DC Beltway construction, deficient bridges, and bay cleanups.

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Don't think it was us as we are running 6 CIM single speed as well.

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To me, it's quite clear what the impact of 1114 and 2056 is in Canada. The competition level was very fierce at GTE. I'm willing to wager that if any of those alliance captains or 1st picks were to come down to the Southeast US (excluding Florida), they would end up being regional winners or finalists. It's like the same with Michigan, because of the level of competition for the blue banner, the whole region is becoming stronger in terms of robot performances and the teams themselves. Part of that HAS to be the effect 1114 and 2056 have on Canada FIRST and all of the resources both teams provide.

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Absolutely correct. See: 772 in 2012.

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On behalf of Team 781, I'd like to thank everyone for your sincere congratulations on our Chairman's Award win. The members of our team that worked on presenting the award worked so hard to get there all season long, and it's quite a feeling to see them (and the rest of the team, of course) become this happy. In place of the nervousness they felt when they were doing it along with the admirable Team 1241--Theory 6--was replaced with tears of joy. This was worth more than our upset last year at Queen City, more than our regional win in Toronto two years ago and even more than our World Finals finish that same year (don't take that as a team opinion, although I'm sure it's echoed by at least most of them).

A huge congratulations to 1114 and 2056 for their 20th and god-knows-how-many regional wins for them, respectively. Both of you are nothing short of amazing to see year after year, what with your stunning robots and inspiration to every FIRST team. 1114 is a Hall of Fame team for extremely good reason, and it wouldn't be surprising if I see another 4-digit team from Stoney Creek join them.

Thanks for another fun regional, and Team 781 will see you in Waterloo (if you'll be there)!

EDIT: And an enormous thank you to the group who made this regional possible, the volunteers. I'm not sure if Karthik was the chair this year like last year, but whatever he did do, he's obviously included in this thanks. Can't wait to see you MC at Waterloo! (James wasn't too bad either!)

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Thank you! Our three teams, 216, 244, and 288, had an incredible weekend up in Canada! We beat all odds being able to compete in the tournament after many of our parts were stolen the night before the tournament, and there was no way that we were going to give up in the finals!

We've had the ability to compete with both Simbotics and OP Robotics for 3 years now, and we are incredibly impressed by their robots every year. In fact, Simbotics was one of the teams that really stepped up and donated computers, drive stations, and tools to our teams!

We are proud of our work, and we can't wait to (hopefully) see everyone up in Canada again next year!

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Thanks Jaxom! We tried. :)

GTR-E was incredibly well run. Match cycles were so efficient, the event was mostly running ahead of time. Great work by all the volunteers and organizers who made this possible. Thank you all.

We would like to congratulate 4343 MaxTech on their incredible show of GP on and off the field. On the field, a simple and efficient robot with fast cycles. This team were excellent alliance captains, very cooperative and open to listen to our picks and match strategies. For a second year team, you get it. See you at GTR-W. 216 More RoboDawgs were also great alliance partners. It was a pleasure to work with one of the Michigan - Grandville teams. Thank you both!

Congratulations to 2056 (#15), 1114 (#20) and 1325 (their first) on the Regional Victory. We hope that we gave you a hard time in the finals :p

Congratulations to 4476 W.A.F.F.L.E.S on their wonderful display of FIRST's values on and off the field. Highest Rookie Seed, Rookie All-Star and a FIRST Dean's Finalist Award. As for their robot, simply outstanding. They chose to be a low goal dumper and defended against veteran teams like champions. I'm incredibly happy for you guys. I also love both their abbreviation and acronym :cool:

Congratulations to 781 on the RCA, very well deserved. We're nothing less than happy for this team, they've gone to many heights to achieve this award. On the field, the schedule was very tough for the Kinetic Knights, facing either 1114 or 2056 in 5 of their qualification matches!

It's only been hours since GTR-E, can't wait till Waterloo and GTR-W! :)

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Thanks, Aaron. Yes I was the Regional Chair once again. The regional was an amazing success, made possible by some of the most dedicated and experienced volunteers in FIRST. These people really are the heart of FIRST in Canada; I'm regularly humbled by working along side them.

It was amazing seeing Team 781 win their first Chairman's Award in their team history. For the past 12 seasons, they've been growing and fostering FIRST in their community and beyond. They've gone unrecognized in the past, which must make yesterday's victory seem even more sweet. The reactions of their team once they realized they had won were priceless.

Finally, a special congratulations to James Cerar, the 2013 GTR East Volunteer of the Year. Anyone crazy enough to be a Lead Robot Inspector, Head Referee and FTA in the same season, doing each role in a different province, deserves an award of this stature.

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Atonomous is obviously frustrated.

I don't mind his comment at all - because it is painfully honest. At least he/she is saying exactly what's on their mind, instead of slipping away quietly, throwing their hands in the air, and leaving the FRC program entirely without ever expressing their frustrations. For all I know Atonomous could be one of the incredibly dedicated Ontario mentors who's been involved with FRC for over a decade, has worked tirelessly to build a world-class robot year after year, but just can't take the final step to qualify for Champs because it is so incredibly difficult to do in Ontario.

Or maybe he/she has just sacrificed a year of their life trying to do the ultimate FRC challenge: getting a rookie team off the ground. Maybe they are contemplating not coming back next year because they feel disenfranchised. Team sustainability is one of the biggest challenges FRC faces, and the last thing we want are good mentors walking away from the program.

What I don't appreciate is a throng of non-Ontario teams jumping down his/her throat and pushing them further away, instead of actually trying to understand why this person is frustrated, and maybe even fix it.

That's just lazy and unproductive.

I am in a very fortunate position where I constantly get to hear very raw, unadulterated, and passionate comments from other Ontario mentors. I couldn't tell you how many times a mentor has pulled me aside at competition and started the conversation with "I'm not coming back next year because..."

Frankly, you need to take comments like that very seriously, and act on them (i.e. pushing for a WildCard system, district point system, or even putting together a plan on how to help their team obtain a qualification spot to CMP).

Being in Ontario, it's not hard to see why people (like Atonomous) say these things.

Consider the following:

In a pre-wildcard system, if 610 had competed at GTRE instead of BAE this year, 610 probably wouldn't qualify for CMP.

In 2012, if 610 had competed in WAT instead of AZ, we wouldn't have qualified for CMP.

In 2011, 610 played only in Ontario, and did not qualify for CMP. We attended only because we pre-registered as we hadn't qualified for CMP for so many years prior. This robot went on to be 469's 1st pick, and a Curie division finalist, losing to the eventual world champs in 3 matches.

We're lucky that 610 has the resources to travel... we would travel anyways, because we love representing our city, province, country and FIRST as a whole. But fundamentally, we are an Ontario team who should be competing in Ontario as much as possible. Consistently leaving Ontario to find a spot at CMP seems... well... wrong. Truthfully, I don't think the people in the areas outside of Ontario where we compete find it all that great that we take away local spots from them either.

But it's that, or strategically trying to be the 24th best team at all our Ontario regionals, which also seems... well... wrong.

And it's not just 610. There is a large pool of world-class teams in Ontario who probably deserve to go to CMP each year, but just can't find a way despite building robots which are CMP worthy, but just not as good as 2056 and 1114.

188 did not qualify or attend CMP in 2012 - a shocker, because both 610 and 188 were actually favoured to beat 2056 and 1114 in the GTRE finals that year. Yes, hard to believe CD, but ask the actual people in the stands that day at the 2012 GTRE and they'll tell you the same. Also, 188 only snuck in to CMP in 2010 and 2011 as a last-minute wait-listed team as they couldn't qualify. Crazy...

What if 4334 was an Ontario team? Would their robot ever qualify for CMP again? They're too good to be 24th pick at an Ontario regional, but not quite good enough (yet) to beat them. The original "Eh Team" would never reunite at CMP.

I would never berate a team who is looking out for their own success. Winning a regional is of the utmost importance to some teams. It was to us last year in AZ, and this year in BAE.

But as we know, FIRST is about so much more than the robots...

For teams who have already secured a spot at CMP, it could also be about ensuring that our area/province/country is represented by as many of the best area teams as possible at CMP, and that these teams get the opportunity to be inspired on the biggest FRC stage in the world. This is a bigger picture view that has a lot of merit, especially for teams that believe in the concept of "Team Canada" or have similar patriotic or regional motivations.

Now, the wildcard system changes things dramatically in Ontario, and I hope people like Atonomous appreciate the effect it has on us. It's still not perfect. It's not quite the district points system, but it is much better than before. Previously, at GTRE, WAT and GTRW a total of 6 of the 9 Ontario winner qualification spots could be used up by two dominant teams. Those duplicate spots used to simply disappear, lost forever into the abyss. The remaining 3 would go to "24th-best" calibre robots. The 3rd to 6th best robots in Ontario would never get a shot at CMP. With the wildcards now, the landscape changes dramatically.

Consider the "worst case" at Waterloo and GTRW, assuming 1114 and 2056 win both. At both these regionals the Finalist Alliance Captain and their 1st Pick would be offered spots to CMP.

You'd better believe teams like 772, 907, 1310, 1334, 1503, 2013, 2220, 2386, 2702, 2852, 3161, and 3683 are going to be gunning for those 4 finalist spots. Whereas in the past, they would be completely shut out.

You'll notice there is no negativity towards 2056 or 1114 in this post. They've earned everything they've gotten.

But there needs to be a way for Ontario's other teams to see success as well, because quite frankly, they've earned it too.

We're getting there, but there's still plenty of work to do.

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On behalf of the alumni, congratulations Team 781 on our team's first Regional Chairman's Award. I am incredibly impressed by how much work you have done over the past few years.

The powerhouse teams in Ontario have had a huge impact on Ontario teams in multiple ways. In the former CMP qualification system (pre-Wildcards), many Ontario teams began focusing their efforts on the Chairman's award as a way to qualify for champs. It seems to have paid off; 1305, 771, 1241, 1334, 2809 and 781 (I'm probably forgetting some) have all won either Chairman's or EI in recent years.

In response to Mr. Lim's post, I agree that it has been too difficult in the past to qualify based solely on robot performance in Ontario. Teams like 1114 and 2056 have drastically elevated the level of play in Ontario, but unfortunately many second-tier teams never qualify for Champs. I think the best example was in 2011 when Greater Toronto was split into a double regional. 1114 won East with 1503 as their first pick, while 2056 won West with 781. At Champs, both 1114 and 2056 were #1 divisional picks (an incredible achievement). However, both of their partners from Toronto, 1503 and 781, played on Einstein that year. If 1114 and 2056 had played together at GTR that year, these Ontario teams would not have been able to show what they can do on the world stage. Ultimately, this wild card system will be better for us because it will allow more Canadian teams to compete at the highest level.

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2809 had a great time this past weekend. Hopefully Kingston teams wont earn a reputation after 2809 and 4476 broke each other in sequential elimination matches.

Suggesting 2056 should pick someone else is not a well thought out idea. If there were an event later in the year with 781, 1241, 4476, 2809, 610 attending would you tell them not to pick each other as well so other teams could get the championship eligibility passed down to them if they win or are finalists?

To further on what Shawn said. I'm hoping that the wild card system will be expanded to pass down eligibility regardless of how the existing entry to championships was earned now that 1114 is a Hall of Fame team. Without this I see the typical 3rd to 10th canadian teams avoiding GTRE in the future and "letting" 1114 and 2056 take the first event. (Nobody wants to see GTRE 2011 ever again)

The only issue I have with 1114 and 2056 is that there are exactly two of them. If Ontario can get 3,4 or 24 teams consistently up to this level then we won't see this thread every year. For those of you across the border, it wasn't that long ago that you didn't have to be the Robodogs to come and visit. The total level of competition is definitely increasing but we've got some work to do still.
(Average points by team on friday to the best of our scouts ability [1114 started hanging consistently on saturday])


Congratulations to 781, 1241, 2056, 1114, 1325, 4476 on their success this weekend.

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David and Mr. Lim are spot on.

The wildcard system will have a huge impact in Ontario, and in other regions where multiple CMP slots are consistently eaten up by the same elite few teams.

Its just unfortunate they restricted it to "Has already won a 2013 regional" and not "Already qualified for CMP on a merit-based invitation". It means that 1241 and 4343 making Finalist Captain and Finalist 1st pick at GTRE this weekend, eventually being defeated by the "already qualified as 2012 Einstein Robots" 1114 and 2056, aren't invited to CMP.

Let's be proactive...
 

I'd like to share Stephen Covey's Habit #1 here... "Be Proactive". He advocates an "Inside-Out" approach, starting from one's self.

What can I do to make a difference?

1. If you like the wildcard system, please join me in sending an email to FRC at frcteams@usfirst.org to give them credits for listening to the communities' need. Or send one to Dean Kamen himself too. I am sure all of them are keen to hear suggestions for improvements too!

2. There are an exceptional number of passionate volunteers in the FIRST community here. They care about FIRST's mission and the students very much. Encourage everyone to participate in CANFIRST. The more participation, the more likely we will enhance the overall impact of FIRST in Canada, quality of the teams, and eventually make this thread obsolete.

3. If you are a student, learn as much as possible from the powerhouses like 1114 and 2056. Visit their pits, talk to their folks, don't be shy. Once you have acquired these knowledge, you have already won... whatever happens on the playing field.

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I experienced my first Ontario event this week, and I had an amazing time.

I plan on making Canadian events a tradition- thanks for having me! :)

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That video is great, I do love it! And your climber is very very similar to the one that our team talked about building originally and then ended up going in a different direction. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in action in Boston. :)

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I definitely agree with your post. While I think the Wild Card system might seem like a godsend to great but not super-elite teams in your province, there is still more work to be done. Since FRC has ballooned, a lot of quirks have been found in the regional system that are more like drawbacks.

Not to make this "about me", but regional sizes are not fixed, so you can have regionals as small as, let's say, 32 or 35 teams, or as big as 65 teams. An area that has two or more smaller regionals benefits more than one big regional. However, the benefit is "neutralized" when the super-elites sign up for all of the smaller regionals in that area.

I know the "it's not about the robots" police might attack me for talking about the way we hand out chamiponship bids, but Championships is harder to get into now, and the event itself is about more than the robots. Not every team should go, but plenty of teams that are deserving of a spot have been left out to dry by fitting the square peg that is the traditional regional system into the circular, eye-of-a-needle sized hole that is a spot for a team at CMP.

Would this be a place to ask why Ontario has never moved into a district system? It could even be an open district system, and maybe allow for cross pollination with FIM, NEFIRST, etc...

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So far as I know, this is in the works, and the cross-pollination thing would be more possible once the district model is adopted in more places.

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Definitely; I think as of now the issue of cross-pollination is simply not there due to the physical distance of FIM and MAR. This will all change once Canada enters the District system as well as when NEFIRST(that is the correct name, right?) makes the switch.

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I think this is the post and thread to which you refer. It is one of those threads that needs extraction and study at team meetings. At least at those team meetings at which there is consensus about the possibility of learning something from other teams.

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It doesn't change your point, but I think your first statement in quotes should read "Has already qualified for CMP in 2013." (meaning winning say Chairman's at one regional and then winning a second regional opens a wildcard slot at the second regional)

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A gold star for Mr.Lim

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Totally agree with this post. The reality of the trickle-down CMP qualifying hasn't hit me yet, but once it does I think it'll make competition in Ontario much more fun. Having been in FIRST since 2003, the idea of anyone but 1114, (excellent robot), and (24th-best robot) qualifying for champs on robot performance seems totally alien. It was discouraging trying to build a better robot, knowing that every improvement that takes you above 24th-best is likely to decrease your chances of CMP participation.

Combined with the blue banners brought home by travelling Ontario teams like 610, and Canada/Ontario should be very well represented at CMP this year :-)

Nothing in this post should be taken as a knock against 1114 and 2056. They're free to be unstoppably awesome each year, and now the rest of us in Ontario can also be rewarded for our intermittently-stoppable awesomeness too.

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Anyone happen to know if or when 2056 plans on releasing the information about, IIRC, Adversity? I'd love to get some specs on it.

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I believe their robot name is "Face". This is following 1114 ("B.A. Baracus") and 4334 ("Murdock").

Do Do Dooooo, Do Do Dooo #ehteamforever

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I thought I saw the name Adversity on FB

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The team may be facing some adverse times trying to name the robot...heyyo

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their name is Adversity, atleast that is what it says on their robot

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yes there was. see attached screencap . note the final score was listed as 211-74 for this match.

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And a single tear was shed for the blue alliance.

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We knew we weren't comming out of that one long before the scores went up. The alliance went into that round with the goal of putting on a show and completing a double 30 pt climb. Even though we didn't pull it off, judging by the noise of the crowd in our on-board video, the valiant efforts of 2994 didn't dissappoint!

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Here are some photos from the event that I took - http://tinyurl.com/bhqv6tf