Re: 2013 Greater Toronto East Regional
 

You can never hold more than 4 discs at any time in the match. PENALTY: 3 point penalty per disc.

S/N: in the future be sure to check the rules.

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So how many times have there been 2 undefeated robots in the same regional event? Was just thinking that might happen if 2056 and 1114 go undefeated.

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1114 did not go undefeated, they had one draw (Match Q35)

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When I say undefeated I mean they were not defeated. A draw in my book is not a defeat, so both 2056 and 1114 are undefeated at this point.

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1114 + 2056 = >200!

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I was torn among watching WPI for the teams coming to Hartford; watching GTRE for the amazing performances there; and repair of mailbox damaged during recent snowstorm.

I thought I saw a 100-pt climb total for one of the matches. A 30 and two 10s on each side.

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The alliance pick by 2056 to team up with 1114 was boring, and I for one though that this early in the game they would have chosen to play against each other to gain experience and game play knowledge instead of the "steam roller" dominance that you chose. Shame on you both for just grabbing yet another regional win. That is not what I would expect of the high calibre teams that you are. As far as I am concerned, it was a hollow meaningless regional win. :mad:

Let me explain....Both teams knew that one of them was going to win this regional, this is a given. Neither of them needed the win to qualify for worlds. It could have been a mutual learning experience that both of them missed. Instead they chose the safe route. Flame on, my heat shields are up and ready.

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@ Atonomous: If you were the #1 seed at an event, and you wanted to win, who would you pick--a team you've worked with well before, and who if you don't pick you'll have to face in the finals, or a team that maybe you haven't worked so well with/you know won't help much?


I know I'm feeding the trolls here, but it's a question worth considering, for all of us. I know that there are other alliances that tend to crop up year after year, beating most other alliances in their path. But is that alliance always the best? (And, before anybody answers: best for who?)

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My vote is we don't start this debate, again.

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EricH and tim-tim

I understand this is a previously long drawn out affair, but given I am a long term lurker who just signed on because of what I witnessed this week-end...bear with me. These two teams are power houses, that is a given. Both didnt need this win to qualify for worlds, because they are already there. That is a known fact. So why not take the opportunity to give teams that are not qualified or in the same league to experience the growth that they need? To gain the knowledge and experience these teams have enjoyed for many years? How do you gain this level of experience without the help of the top teams? I am not really bashing 2056 or 1114, I am just saying that they both missed a good opportunity to help lesser teams gain valuable on hands experience.

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2056 and 1114 aren't be default the winners of every regional they go to. Yes, they're both great teams and they will be among the favorites every year they participate. But they probably won't always be elite every year they play. Just look at 217 and 67 this year. I would have bet a lot of money based on their history that they would have at least made it to the finals at their respective regional events, and I would bet even more money that their losses were upsets. I would have lost a lot of money if I made those bet. 217 and 67 are every bit as good as 2056 and 1114, and see no reason why they might not be as good next year. 2056 and 1114 should enjoy their success as long as possible.

Also, just because they won today doesn't mean they will win any of their other events. 1114 were favorites to win the Midwest Regional in 2009, and they were upset by an alliance in the quarterfinals that didn't even win that event. 1114 DID win a regional event later that year, but pretend for a moment they played that regional first. If they thought they would surely win the Midwest regional and declined 2056, then they may have lost that event and they wouldn't necessarily qualify for the championship event at all.

And I also don't agree that 1114 and 2056 made the event boring. They didn't participate in over half the elimination matches, and even the matches did they play in weren't necessarily boring. I thought the finals were exciting, even if 2056 and 1114 did win the event.

If you are really feeling these things then I don't think you really get the point of these competitions. These teams did nothing shameful. They are admired and respected by most of the FIRST community partly because they are consistently good year after year. You should be asking these teams questions, and try to aspire to be on their level. They deserve the wins with all the work they do (including possibly the work that has benefited you and your team). And I think it would be more helpful for you and your team to admire what they do and learn how to be as successful as them.

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I understand what you're trying to say, but put yourself in their shoes. Yes, they are going to qualify anyways and probably win the regional, but putting out any less than 110% on the field doesn't benefit them in any way, and if I were on the field, I'd always want to put out my 110%. Yes, by them not teaming up together, they would allow a few more teams to go to champs, but that's not their goal. This is a competition. If you have an amazing robot, go out there and use it to its full potential. When picking alliance partners, choose the team(s) that pair best with you and will most improve your chances of success. Even with 1114 and 2056, success isn't guaranteed.

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To be honest, I'm glad 1114 and 2056 teamed up again. I think (and I believe almost everyone agrees) that those two teams were the best performers at GTER, and allying with each other gave both the best opportunity to win. This is a competition, and if 2056 used their first pick on some other team "just to be nice", then it would prove to me that they are not taking the competition seriously (by not playing to win), and the integrity of the event would be compromised.

Remember that Gracious Professionalism doesn't conflict with playing hard and trying to win--it actually encourages it--but only juxtaposes it with being courteous and helping make sure that everyone can have a fair competition. Having a fair competition also doesn't mean that 1114 and 2056 have to be split up, because it's perfectly fair that they are together, given that they have not broken any FRC rules by doing so.

As has been said before, the best way to level the playing field is not to hold the top down, but to help the bottom up. There aren't many teams who have inspired or assisted as many others as 1114 and 2056 have--just look at who took home the Chairman's Clock last year.

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Right. And letting teams have a chance "just to be nice" would also seem condescending to a lot of people.

I would also add that 1114 and 2056 intentionally giving themselves a harder chance to win would be at the expense of the members of their teams that have not tasted similar success that members in past years have experienced. And plenty of teams have the opportunity to qualify for championships in other ways. In no way is 1114 and 2056 preventing other teams from getting to St Louis through other means.

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Just because it is Team 1114 or 2056 it is not an auto-win. There are many teams with different modes of opperation that are successful.