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So with two days left till GTR East, who is coming out to Oshawa.

I would you say Team 2185 The Ramazoidz will be attending this regional, for the second time in a row

There are 43 teams attending, and it will be fun to see what is the outcome. We will be able to see the defending regional champions (1114, 2056, 1219)

So GOOD LUCK and we'll see you at the competition

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Looking forward to my first time volunteering at a regional, doing field reset.

Also, 1219 isn't competing this year.

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Team 1325 is excited to be returning to GTR East with our robot "Schmetterling".
Good luck to all teams attending, it looks like its gonna be a great regional!

Gregor, I did field resent at Waterloo last year, its a blast...wear comfortable shoes :] .

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on thebluealliance database it says they are going:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2013onto

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I'm very excited to be at my first Ontario event! Heading out tomorrow.

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Although an awesome resource, The Blue Alliance has it's flaws.

www.frclinks.frclinks.com/t/1219

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Leeland, you posted in the thread. That means you are going to try and make it to GTR, right?

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Libby will be in Ontario :yikes:

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First time volunteering at this event! I'm very excited to see the teams at this event after seeing the teams do the early load in tonight. I will be one of the robot inspectors this time around

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I'll be out there with Team 2013!

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The webcast is up at www.watchfirstnow.com/live.php#ONTO

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I can't wait to get up there on Saturday! It's going to be a great event!

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I have been seeing matches.

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107 points by ones self is pretty good (2056)

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2056 seems to be sporting a very effective floor pickup....

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Oh I see what they did. Sneaky Canadians building complementary robots ;)

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2056 cleaning the carpet right now...

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2056 sure makes the field look a lot prettier with a lack of white discs on the field.

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I can't believe I missed OP on the field! I will be watching the webcast closely, especially for Simbotics and OP even though I can't make it up there.

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What an awesome first/practice day!

Besides a few final touches on a couple of robots prior to fully completing inspection, everyone is ready to rumble tomorrow.

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Match schedule is up. http://www2.usfirst.org/2013comp/eve...eduleQual.html

2056 and 1114 play together in match #59 Saturday morning. They never play against each other in qualifications.

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Conspiracy?! (kidding)

Good luck to all teams tomorrow! Remember to raise praise, not throw down well... not praise.
GTRE 2012 was not a fun thread.

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Doesn't help when 5 of your matches are against either 2056 or 1114. Makes matters even worse when you aren't playing with them in a single match.

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Wow -- interesting cadence on the scheduling! 1114 is up at match 33, and then again at 35! But they keep the same bumper color. :)

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Thats too bad, I always love watching them go at each other, they are usually some of my favorite matches of the year.

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Haha maybe not at this regional but I am sure they will eventually and it should be pretty epic. I remember 2 years ago at waterloo they played each other and it was definetly something spectacular. What was more amazing tho was during the last practice match the day before on the thursday they nearly filled all of their rungs with tubes.

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Show them how much they'd rather be with you in elims than against you. ;)

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Heh, reminds me of 2007 when the match generator was faulty.

Check out how many times we played 25 in qualifications at NJ that year...

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/11/2007

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I remember that.
We played seven matches during qualifications.
4 against 341 and 3 against 375.

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Wow..If that happened up here with 1114 and 2056, qualifications would get much more intense because people would be fighting that much harder for the number 1 spot.

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All the Debbie downers here seem to be forgetting their worlds qualifications will drop down to the finalists after/if they win a regional.

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I don't think it works that way, I could be wrong though.

I thought only qualifications earned at an event THIS year are passed down.

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That's what I'm talking about. They seem to be talking about all Canadian regionals not just GTR-E. just reminding them that everything changes at their second event.

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1114 and 2056 as well as all the other teams that competed on Einstein last year were guaranteed a spot at Championships because of the interference.
I think that if 1114/2056 wins GTRE their spot would get passed on because of the new "wild card" system.

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Does anyone have photos/videos/info about 1114 or 2056's robot? I'm really interested in the strategic decisons that these strategy-centric teams made this year.

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Not in this case.

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1114 is in the first match of the day today! Tune in at www.watchfirstnow.com/gtr

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Is 188 not competing? I see them in the list of teams, but they're nowhere in the match schedule.

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188 is no longer a team.

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Unfortunately, they were one of the teams that had to drop this year due to the Ontario teacher union labour dispute. Hopefully they will be back next year!

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Oh, that's disappointing. I was hoping to see them compete. :(

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Wow. 133 points by 2056 and alliance. Looks like for a floor-load-only robot, they're really rocking the competition.

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Not that I would expect anything less from 2056, but their execution is simply amazing. They've clearly been practicing their butts off with that machine. Watching their last match, it was almost like the robot said this: 'No discs on the floor? Oh look at this convenient pile of discs our HP left for us, brb for more scoring'.

Awesome.

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Was watching 1114 and 2056. In 1114's first match, they were at best ~24 seconds between scorings. 2056 was about 22 seconds between unloadings. Seemed to be more defense played on 1114's match though and their loader wasn't perfect, so maybe they can get that down to 20 seconds per 4 discs.

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2056 also has an impressive last-second hang.

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Does anyone have video recorded or pictures of 1114 and 2056 for those that have the webcast blocked for them?

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2056 showed in their second match how quickly they can score. 1114 seems just good (Really says more about how high 1114 has set the standard for themselves) However I have a gut feeling that we are not seeing their full hand. I have a feeling 1114 wants to shoot full court, however without a top tier floor loading bot on their alliance many of those discs are wasted. They kind of remind me of 469 (I think) when they had the hang and redirect bot (2010? Im old and memory is the first thing to go.). They are just good enough to keep winning when not playing theirr strategy, but nearly unstoppable with the right partners.

I am basing this on watching exactly one match each for these robots, but I think that tomorrow when 1114 and 2056 play together you will see what 1114 was built for, I think that will be shooting an absurd number of discs full court then performing a 50 point hang/dump with 2056 cleaning up the floor (and probably setting the single robot scoring record).

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The webcast is being live archived, you can see the matches here: http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive.php?id=61352321

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This is all I could manage. I hope it helps.

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I think we are seeing why 1114 and 2056 made their design choices. They are built to play together with complimentary capabilities.

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That's an interesting take on strategy for this year. Makes an alternative to the fraternal twin strategies. The "Sim"biosis strategy?

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Qualifications match 59 will prove this, of true.

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One clears the floor, one slot loads. One hangs from the lower bar, one climbs the corner. One does the center 7-disc auto, one shoots 3 from the wing.

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I agree with you there, and you're probably correct. It should be an interesting match. To bad there isn't a match pitting the two against each other.

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Interesting theory considering neither one has to qualify for champs this year, and have no guarantee of being placed in the same division. Odd coincidence though.

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I noticed in match #1 that 1114's human player was having trouble feeding the robot due to Frisbees not entering the robot. Does anyone know if something is wrong with the slot or is it a design flaw? (or something else?)

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I just saw the match before lunch and it would appear they have fixed that as they quickly loaded 4 in about 2-3 seconds.

Peyton

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Ok thanks for the update! Got to hand it to these teams that have robots this good in their first regional (coughcough 1114, 2056, 118 coughcough)

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Because they do not need to qualify they do not need to design to win alone. I think they went all-in on an Einstein strategy. Looks like 1114 got the short end of the deal so far.

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But they have no way of guaranteeing that they are in the same division. In fact in 75% of cases they are in different divisions. That's what makes collusion implausible.

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Not saying that they have the guarantee, only that they designed for the opportunity. I suppose it is possible that 1114 completely missed the importance of floor loading, and decided to just forfeit any extra auton points. (:rolleyes: eye roll)

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Well the thing is they don't necessarily need to have 2056, just a robot with similar capabilities as them.

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Yes. But when was the last time 1114 built a robot that was designed in such a way that, in order to be effective, they require their alliance partner's to have other certain characteristics? Generally 1114 builds the robot that does everything, and then selects robots that complement them nicely. It almost seems like this year 1114 has put themselves into a situation where they're going to need their partner to fill the design gaps they weren't able to achieve, instead of the other way around.

Also, it says a lot about the consistency of 1114 as a team when we're sitting here wondering why they don't have a robot that can do everything after being amazed by the robots that can.

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This is true, they are still putting up insane points without 2056, so they are in good shape. I'll put it to you this way, most teams in FIRST would gladly take 1114's robot right now.

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A high score of 182 was just put down by 2056, 4343 and 2852
http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive.php?id=61365086

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"Collusion" is an inappropriate choice of word here and was not the gist of my comments. It is a bold strategy with risks and will be fasciniting to watch play out. They are hoping to meet opportunity with preparation, which is smart for anyone to do.

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Guys,

I can guarantee that 1114 and 2056 did not make complimentary robots on purpose.

If I know the guys on 1114 (and I do ... very well), they did an analysis based on opportunity cost and did a value based analysis, including the probability of how many teams can pull off the 30 point hang.

What you are seeing is exactly what some of us expected. Early events will be dominated by auton + floor load, but that will change as the season progresses...at least that is the theory. Math supports this claim.

Paul

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That 182 included massive penalties.

Match 26, however... 143-25... 2056's alliance had 60 in Autonomous alone. I think we know who first seed will be. That's an impressive bit of robot.

Really enjoying the webcast and the music variety!

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I agree; happy accident. I don't know either team the way Paul knows them. I suspect that they both performed an analysis of the game and came to their conclusions. Both are very competitive ... again. Neither relies on an alliance partner to be effective; that is, either can play the game very effectively.

The floor loading advantage in auton (24 points) offsets the additional points for climbing to level 3.

I think 2056 evaluated the game very well and delivered an excellent machine which executes a very effective strategy. Well done 2056.

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I also think 1114 has executed a great strategy. This year may be one of the first years where there is a drastic difference in Regional level and Championship level strategies that drive robot design.

Don't get me wrong, 2056 has a great design and will be very successful this year; however, I think 1114 is built for a higher caliber of competition/alliance members. By Einstein, I suspect most teams will be shooting 85-90% if not higher. How many discs will really be available on the ground? Yes, auto floor pickup is great and is needed on an alliance, but not every robot needs that capability.

The ability to climb to 30, and what appears to be a setup for the 20point dump, will be much more valuable in the end. Not to mention they are a corner climber so this doesn't really impose any limitations on what other 30pt climber is on their alliance.

Yes, 2056 will steal the regional competitions. But I suspect 1114 to be a much more valuable asset to an alliance on Einstein.

Just my thoughts.

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This slow-motion intro... Canada is rubbing their match cycle efficiency in our faces :(

Good job, regional staff and teams!

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Purely based on my observations, top 4 robots are 2056, 1114, 1241, and 4343, in that order.

2056 has a 7 disk auto, and only floor loading.

1114 has only human loading, and a fast 30 point climb, although inconsistant so far.

1241 has a wicked fast shooter, and fast cycle times, although they were having drivetrain issues early on.

4343 is a consistant 18 point auto, 3-4 cycle shooter, and 10 point hanger. Nothing fast, but super consistant.

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Agree both are excellent executions of excellent strategies. I expect that 2056 will not only dominate the Regional fields, they will also dominate their Division at the Championship event.

Unless of course there is a machine that delivers a seven disc autonomous, a fast 30 point climb with a 20 point dump and four or five 12 point cycles in between.

I congratulate both teams on their achievements.

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Yes, but they aren't necessarily dependent on each other just robots with the same skill sets. They chose to perfect their respective skills because the flexibility of a robot with a lot of mediocre skills is less necessary when they are able to form a well rounded alliance out of "cream of the crop" specialized robots at champs.,

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How big is the penalty for holding more than 4 discs at a time in teleop?

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You can never hold more than 4 discs at any time in the match. PENALTY: 3 point penalty per disc.

S/N: in the future be sure to check the rules.

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So how many times have there been 2 undefeated robots in the same regional event? Was just thinking that might happen if 2056 and 1114 go undefeated.

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1114 did not go undefeated, they had one draw (Match Q35)

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When I say undefeated I mean they were not defeated. A draw in my book is not a defeat, so both 2056 and 1114 are undefeated at this point.

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1114 + 2056 = >200!

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I was torn among watching WPI for the teams coming to Hartford; watching GTRE for the amazing performances there; and repair of mailbox damaged during recent snowstorm.

I thought I saw a 100-pt climb total for one of the matches. A 30 and two 10s on each side.

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The alliance pick by 2056 to team up with 1114 was boring, and I for one though that this early in the game they would have chosen to play against each other to gain experience and game play knowledge instead of the "steam roller" dominance that you chose. Shame on you both for just grabbing yet another regional win. That is not what I would expect of the high calibre teams that you are. As far as I am concerned, it was a hollow meaningless regional win. :mad:

Let me explain....Both teams knew that one of them was going to win this regional, this is a given. Neither of them needed the win to qualify for worlds. It could have been a mutual learning experience that both of them missed. Instead they chose the safe route. Flame on, my heat shields are up and ready.

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@ Atonomous: If you were the #1 seed at an event, and you wanted to win, who would you pick--a team you've worked with well before, and who if you don't pick you'll have to face in the finals, or a team that maybe you haven't worked so well with/you know won't help much?


I know I'm feeding the trolls here, but it's a question worth considering, for all of us. I know that there are other alliances that tend to crop up year after year, beating most other alliances in their path. But is that alliance always the best? (And, before anybody answers: best for who?)

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My vote is we don't start this debate, again.

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EricH and tim-tim

I understand this is a previously long drawn out affair, but given I am a long term lurker who just signed on because of what I witnessed this week-end...bear with me. These two teams are power houses, that is a given. Both didnt need this win to qualify for worlds, because they are already there. That is a known fact. So why not take the opportunity to give teams that are not qualified or in the same league to experience the growth that they need? To gain the knowledge and experience these teams have enjoyed for many years? How do you gain this level of experience without the help of the top teams? I am not really bashing 2056 or 1114, I am just saying that they both missed a good opportunity to help lesser teams gain valuable on hands experience.

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2056 and 1114 aren't be default the winners of every regional they go to. Yes, they're both great teams and they will be among the favorites every year they participate. But they probably won't always be elite every year they play. Just look at 217 and 67 this year. I would have bet a lot of money based on their history that they would have at least made it to the finals at their respective regional events, and I would bet even more money that their losses were upsets. I would have lost a lot of money if I made those bet. 217 and 67 are every bit as good as 2056 and 1114, and see no reason why they might not be as good next year. 2056 and 1114 should enjoy their success as long as possible.

Also, just because they won today doesn't mean they will win any of their other events. 1114 were favorites to win the Midwest Regional in 2009, and they were upset by an alliance in the quarterfinals that didn't even win that event. 1114 DID win a regional event later that year, but pretend for a moment they played that regional first. If they thought they would surely win the Midwest regional and declined 2056, then they may have lost that event and they wouldn't necessarily qualify for the championship event at all.

And I also don't agree that 1114 and 2056 made the event boring. They didn't participate in over half the elimination matches, and even the matches did they play in weren't necessarily boring. I thought the finals were exciting, even if 2056 and 1114 did win the event.

If you are really feeling these things then I don't think you really get the point of these competitions. These teams did nothing shameful. They are admired and respected by most of the FIRST community partly because they are consistently good year after year. You should be asking these teams questions, and try to aspire to be on their level. They deserve the wins with all the work they do (including possibly the work that has benefited you and your team). And I think it would be more helpful for you and your team to admire what they do and learn how to be as successful as them.

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I understand what you're trying to say, but put yourself in their shoes. Yes, they are going to qualify anyways and probably win the regional, but putting out any less than 110% on the field doesn't benefit them in any way, and if I were on the field, I'd always want to put out my 110%. Yes, by them not teaming up together, they would allow a few more teams to go to champs, but that's not their goal. This is a competition. If you have an amazing robot, go out there and use it to its full potential. When picking alliance partners, choose the team(s) that pair best with you and will most improve your chances of success. Even with 1114 and 2056, success isn't guaranteed.

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To be honest, I'm glad 1114 and 2056 teamed up again. I think (and I believe almost everyone agrees) that those two teams were the best performers at GTER, and allying with each other gave both the best opportunity to win. This is a competition, and if 2056 used their first pick on some other team "just to be nice", then it would prove to me that they are not taking the competition seriously (by not playing to win), and the integrity of the event would be compromised.

Remember that Gracious Professionalism doesn't conflict with playing hard and trying to win--it actually encourages it--but only juxtaposes it with being courteous and helping make sure that everyone can have a fair competition. Having a fair competition also doesn't mean that 1114 and 2056 have to be split up, because it's perfectly fair that they are together, given that they have not broken any FRC rules by doing so.

As has been said before, the best way to level the playing field is not to hold the top down, but to help the bottom up. There aren't many teams who have inspired or assisted as many others as 1114 and 2056 have--just look at who took home the Chairman's Clock last year.

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Right. And letting teams have a chance "just to be nice" would also seem condescending to a lot of people.

I would also add that 1114 and 2056 intentionally giving themselves a harder chance to win would be at the expense of the members of their teams that have not tasted similar success that members in past years have experienced. And plenty of teams have the opportunity to qualify for championships in other ways. In no way is 1114 and 2056 preventing other teams from getting to St Louis through other means.

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Just because it is Team 1114 or 2056 it is not an auto-win. There are many teams with different modes of opperation that are successful.

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This year, both teams built wildly different robots, on a scale that hasn't been seen since 2009. Since then, both teams have built different robots that have done the same tasks. But this year they (unwittingly) built complementary robots. The same kind of complementary robots that they would team up with at Worlds. These two teams built Einstein calibre robots, but to get there, they need to work with teams with different skill-sets. 2056 and 1114 were getting game-play knowledge... but not for regional play. For Einstein play. Being able to interface with other robots of differing skill sets is the key to becoming World Champs. And that takes practice.

Is it hollow to set a world high score, and then break it, and then break it again? Is it hollow for 1325, whose autonomous mode helped keep the red alliance in the game after blue pulled ahead in finals-2? Is it hollow for 2056 to not want to lose, to continue the streak that has put them on the map and made them a household name? Is it hollow for 2056 to go undefeated at a regional, a feat not accomplished by teams like 118, 148, 254, 2826, 67, 610, 1114? All of these are huge victories that in some ways eclipse a regional title.

Let me phrase this another way: both of these teams have sponsors. These sponsors expect that they are sponsoring winning robots. These sponsors are very involved and very interested in how these teams do. Say 2056 doesn't choose 1114, and then loses to them in the finals. They have to go to their sponsors and explain why they set up their own defeat. That they basically sabotaged their own winning effort, and that they threw away a streak that is 7 years in the making. I'd imagine those sponsors would think twice about giving money next year. I know I would.

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When looking at 1114 and 2056, you have to acknowledge that they're simply on a different plane than the rest of us. Even amongst powerhouses, they stand as strong teams. They don't play the "let's get to Worlds" game that the vast majority of FIRST plays. They play the "let's be continuous Einstein contenders." To do this means to take their machines to the very limit, a limit best explored by working with a like-minded team.

Let's not forget that the Wild Card system is designed to bring more teams to CMP who wouldn't have made it otherwise, which is great. No need to take regional wins from those who deserve it.

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Going back to 2010, Simbotics is 9 for 10 at regionals. And those nine are with 2056:

GTRE 2013: 2056 #1.
GTRE 2012: Simbots #1.
Waterloo 2012: Simbots #1.
GTRE 2011: Simbots #1.
Waterloo 2011: Simbots #1.
Pittsburgh 2011: Simbots #1.
Pittsburgh 2010: Simbots #1.
Waterloo 2010: Simbots #1.
GTR 2010: Simbots #1.

What happened in the tenth (GTR-W 2012)? 3161 racked up 20 coopertition points to eke them out on qualification points and get #1 seed. 1114 was #2, 2056 was #7...and obviously there was no way those two were going to end up paired in eliminations at that point. The former got silver with 3161, the latter got gold.

In summary: Don't like the 1114-2056 combo? Outrank them.

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Or perform well enough so that 1114 or 2056 would think they would have a better chance of winning with you than with the other. 1114 and 2056 don't always choose each other when given the opportunity. Think IRI.

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In my 11 years of FRC experience, 1114 has been dominant since 2005, and has 20 regional champions banners to prove it. 2056's 15 regional streak is nothing short of amazing. I've spent much of the last 11 years studying the Canadian powerhouses, and learning what works and what doesn't.

I wouldn't want them to not join forces for elims unless it was a truly better decision for them. 1114 was considerably stronger than either 1241 or 4343, and so I fully support their choice. Playing the way they do has helped to make the Canadian second tier so strong that they can consistently go to other events where they aren't as overpowered, and bring home hardware. 610, 781, 772, 188, and more I can't remember right now have all been champions elsewhere.

As a mentor for the #3 seed and captain of the Finalist alliance, I'm really proud of the team. They set out this year to perform better than their #30 seed, 3-7-0, not selected for elims performance in 2012. I never expected this weekend to go quite as well as it did. Losing only 1 match in qualifications to an alliance including 1114 by just 6 points (67-73) and then 2 more to 1114/2056 in finals with triple digit losing scores is certainly an improvement to say the least.

Congrats 2056/1114/1325 on another well-earned victory, and congrats to 781 on a long-time-coming RCA.

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Quickly posting and never again in this thread.

1114 and 2056 are like brothers, why would they go against each other if they can add to how legendary their success is, has been, and will be.

This thread better not turn into the thread it turned into last year.

That is all.

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FIRST was supposed to be about inspiration, it has come down to sponsorship and dollars and cents.

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lol

Aside from this clown....

Congrats 2056, 1114, and 1325 on another big win! 1325 was a steal in the 2nd round! Way to go folks.

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Not to mention success at the Championship event as well. 188 and 610 were division finalists, and 781 was a finalist on Einstein in 2011.

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Then get out there, in the community, and raise some money! These teams have worked hard to get to where they are, and you have the ability to do the same, with a lot of hard work and dedication. A really good post I saw a while back from a member of 973 (I believe, and I wish I could find it) recalled when they really kicked it into high gear and became the force they are today. You can make up ground and compete with these guys, as long as you don't spend your time complaining about how you can't.