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lemiant

11-03-2013 15:44

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246529)

Only if it also had floor pickup and a 7 disc auton.

DsRandhawa3244

14-03-2013 13:50

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

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Originally Posted by MisterG (Post 1246616)

This!

Besides, since they (2169, 525, 3061) :

were *crowned* tournament champions
went undefeated in elims *and*
scored in the triple digits in all elim matches (high score 147)

I guess they were not overly upset by improvised blockers.

Oh, not at all. They had a very solid anti-defense against our alliance in the finals. I was one of the drivers and they almost entirely shut us down(We were the defensive bot in the alliance). We had played against a team earlier in finals that also full court shot, but they didn't play a strong anti-defense like KingTec's alliance did.

meibnotu

18-03-2013 05:53

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

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Originally Posted by GBK (Post 1245881)

Don't count out those full court shooters just yet. Yesterday at Waterford we saw one alliance with two short full court shooters, both very good teams. Had they both been dialed in, good luck defending both of them. There was also an alliance with a tall full court shooter, when they were protected by their partner, there was not way of stopping them. The lack of protection allowed for a very powerful alliance to pull out the win.

Watch out for 1718

Definitely agree with this statement! Team 4080 is a full court shooter and was challenged by modifications made in a time out during finals at Peachtree Regionals, but if your alliance, like ours, was able to defend against them you can be successful and move on to championships like us. We were able to put up 3 digits. Our high score being 151. All this being said you can't underestimate defense AT ALL especially against tall robots.

mman1506

18-03-2013 21:54

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

Defence is very important.
We were able to make the elims (4th seed) with a single cim kitbot without any working functions at GTRE. We felt horrible as pretty much every robot there was better than ours.

With how few Frisbee that are on the ground a good defence was more important than a shooter sometimes.

It was also interesting to see 1114 choose a 30 point climber vs. a pickup

NXTGeek

19-03-2013 11:37

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

From San Diego, I learned how every full-court shooter has the potential to be blocked, and my guess is that towards the closing regionals defense will be very good at it, rendering full-courts disabled.

Autonomous is super important, as seen by 987's pixie dust intake and any 7 disk autonomous put together.

Also, 30pt climbs are overrated. It takes precise maneuverability to line up correctly to the corner, and falling off and crushing an important subsystem (148) is just too risky for only 30 points. Without 3Day and the fact that frisbees are simply easier to shoot accurately, 30 points makes sense. However, that is not how this game has developed. Hopefully FIRST will raise the point value for championships.

NXTGeek

19-03-2013 11:45

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1246530)

I thought I saw 254's robot "Overkill" doing that in San Diego once, but I didn't get a chance to watch many matches....and those that I did see, are kind of a blur now.

254 definitely was not shooting full court... They have a close-range linear shooter. At San Diego, 599 Robodox and 2485 W.A.R. Lords were the only successful full- court shooters.

NXTGeek

19-03-2013 11:48

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?

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Originally Posted by Kellen Hill (Post 1246524)

I'm wondering why some teams think it's easier to be a 50 point climber/dumper instead of a 48 point auton/climb. Why cross the field when you can stay protected under the pyramid the whole match (as long as team 48 isn't at your regional)?

Who knows, maybe those two extra points are worth it...

THIS.

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