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sdcantrell56 03-11-2013 12:45 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246502)
Give me a robot capable of quick full court shots, accurate from the pyramid, and a 50pt hang and I'll take it.


The mythical unicorn bot

iVanDuzer 03-11-2013 12:49 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1246456)
2009: 348 teams at CMP, 12 Canadians (3.4%), 1/12 Einstein Canadians (8.3%)

There were no Canadian teams on Einstein in 2009. 188 came the closest as Curie finalists, but they lost to 217 + 68 + 247.

On topic, the one thing I learned at week 2 is that defenders are best equipped when they can squeeze under the pyramid (I'm looking at you, 4476). Minus, of course, the presence of a full-court shooter.

Craig Roys 03-11-2013 12:57 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246502)
I think they just have to be more than one dimensional, if they are not a second round pick.

Our biggest issue was that once we were forced out of the loading zone, we were not that effective.

BUT...a full court shooter does require almost 100% commitment of a defender, if they can line up and shoot really quickly. You know the damage that can be done if they are left alone.

Give me a robot capable of quick full court shots, accurate from the pyramid, and a 50pt hang and I'll take it.

I agree...a full court specialist will struggle, but a multidimensional full court shooter can be very successful - especially if they can line up quick a fire off a couple shots before a defender gets there.

Kellen Hill 03-11-2013 12:59 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Tanis (Post 1246440)
For those who weren't at Lake Superior: 2220 (#1 seed) picked 2177 as their first alliance partner. 2177 was a stellar team that was able to consistently climb to the top of the pyramid and score 3-4 frisbees by the end of qualifications.

Unfortunately, the #8 seed proved a very challenging defense to overcome. 2177 couldn't get to the feeding station to load up on colored frisbees, and in my opinion spent a little too much time trying to get those frisbees (kudos for coming up with a strategy and sticking to it though).

So what I learned in week 2 is that it isn't too difficult to block the feeding station. In general, defense is playing a far larger role in this game than I thought it would. No offensive strategy is without an opposing defensive strategy.

I can think of a 48 point strategy that is indefensible.

I'm wondering why some teams think it's easier to be a 50 point climber/dumper instead of a 48 point auton/climb. Why cross the field when you can stay protected under the pyramid the whole match (as long as team 48 isn't at your regional)?

Who knows, maybe those two extra points are worth it...

Adam Freeman 03-11-2013 01:04 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 1246505)
The mythical unicorn bot

Only if it also had floor pickup and a 7 disc auton.

MrForbes 03-11-2013 01:04 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Craig Roys (Post 1246521)
I agree...a full court specialist will struggle, but a multidimensional full court shooter can be very successful - especially if they can line up quick a fire off a couple shots before a defender gets there.

I thought I saw 254's robot "Overkill" doing that in San Diego once, but I didn't get a chance to watch many matches....and those that I did see, are kind of a blur now.

Alpha Beta 03-11-2013 01:05 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Kellen Hill (Post 1246524)
I can think of a 48 point strategy that is indefensible.

I'm wondering why some teams think it's easier to be a 50 point climber/dumper instead of a 48 point auton/climb. Why cross the field when you can stay protected under the pyramid the whole match (as long as team 48 isn't at your regional)?

Who knows, maybe those two extra points are worth it...

I can think of an indefensible 72 point strategy. ;) Don't think we'll be skipping the teleop phase to carry it out though.

Adam Freeman 03-11-2013 01:08 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1246504)
Wouldn't we all Adam, wouldn't we all.

We're getting closer. Just didn't have time to get it all working at Waterford.

We struggled with the quick accuracy part. And of course the climber was not fully installed.

EricLeifermann 03-11-2013 01:14 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246535)
We're getting closer. Just didn't have time to get it all working at Waterford.

We struggled with the quick accuracy part. And of course the climber was not fully installed.

We had the quick and accurate part from the pyramid, we had the quick from the feeder station, need to perfect the accurate from the feeder station though. Should be good to go for our next comp.

sdcantrell56 03-11-2013 01:15 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246529)
Only if it also had floor pickup and a 7 disc auton.

O I just assumed floor pickup was part of the equation. Why not go for it all.

Tom Line 03-11-2013 01:16 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1246502)
Give me a robot capable of quick full court shots, accurate from the pyramid, and a 50pt hang and I'll take it.

I remember designing that robot. It was twice as heavy as allowed, twice as big, and used about 20 motors.

Of course, Robonauts pulled it off.... but they're the robonauts. (Can they put the colored discs in yet?)

Kellen Hill 03-11-2013 01:16 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1246531)
I can think of an indefensible 72 point strategy. ;) Don't think we'll be skipping the teleop phase to carry it out though.

I'm sure your opponents would prefer it if you did :rolleyes:

Good luck at KC this weekend!

sdcantrell56 03-11-2013 01:17 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Kellen Hill (Post 1246524)
I can think of a 48 point strategy that is indefensible.

I'm wondering why some teams think it's easier to be a 50 point climber/dumper instead of a 48 point auton/climb. Why cross the field when you can stay protected under the pyramid the whole match (as long as team 48 isn't at your regional)?

Who knows, maybe those two extra points are worth it...

Sounds like you being down in georgia is going to make competition a bit more interesting now. We designed around this exact scenario.

Cory 03-11-2013 01:18 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1246530)
I thought I saw 254's robot "Overkill" doing that in San Diego once, but I didn't get a chance to watch many matches....and those that I did see, are kind of a blur now.

No full court shooting for us.

sdcantrell56 03-11-2013 01:20 PM

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 
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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1246545)
No full court shooting for us.

Us either. Seems like the optimum shooter for full field isn't necessarily the optimum set-up for quick and consistent pyramid shots.


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