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Tried to long too do it. Just wasn't possible. That's most of the reason why we were not ready for competition at Waterford.

Unicorn bot would also have to be 60" tall and capable of shrinking to under 30" to go under the pyramid as well.

Way to hard to do...

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 

My mistake. Misread this page, which includes 188 in the fake qualification matches played on Einstein: http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/eve...chresults.html

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 

Unless I'm mistaken, the 30 point climb has been pulled from 118.

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I saw that they didn't climb during Lone Star, does anyone know why?

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Word is they had a significant weight problem...maybe someone should ask them?

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118 did climb at Lone Star during eliminations, for 10 points. One of the semi-final (I think) matches had all three of us off the ground when the buzzer sounded.

Too bad I can't dig up a picture. I wish my memory was better, but the past 10 days have been pretty busy for 2789.

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 

This was an excellent learning experience for everyone. It was great to see teams innovate on the fly and come up with creative solutions with what limited time and materials they had. This is exactly what FIRST is all about. Don't ever give up, keep on innovating, root for the underdog because you never know what new ideas they will try.

For us as a team, this was a gift. We knew that it would eventually happen though we did not know what form it would take. This allowed us to try different counter strategies and it made for some exciting matches. Sincerely, from team 2169, thank you to all of the teams that forced us to get better. We hope to proudly represent Minnesota at the World Championships.

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Sorry maybe I should have clarified, I saw them hang for 10, but not for 30.

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Our 30 point climb did not yet meet our design requirements for speed. It takes us 30-45 seconds to line up to the pyramid and get to the top. After seeing how the game was played week 1, and knowing we could add a simple 10 point buzzer hang, those 45 seconds were not worth the 20 extra points (not to mention the risk of a fall). We were right on the limit for weight, so removing the climbing system allowed us to put weight into some other systems and make the rest of the robot better.

We plan to continue working on the climb in an effort to get it quick enough that it's worthwhile for future competitions. It wasn't an easy decision to remove an entire system like this, although after last year we're starting to get used to it. ;)

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This!

Besides, since they (2169, 525, 3061) :

• were *crowned* tournament champions
• went undefeated in elims *and*
• scored in the triple digits in all elim matches (high score 147)

I guess they were not overly upset by improvised blockers.

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*9

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Oh, not at all. They had a very solid anti-defense against our alliance in the finals. I was one of the drivers and they almost entirely shut us down(We were the defensive bot in the alliance). We had played against a team earlier in finals that also full court shot, but they didn't play a strong anti-defense like KingTec's alliance did.

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Definitely agree with this statement! Team 4080 is a full court shooter and was challenged by modifications made in a time out during finals at Peachtree Regionals, but if your alliance, like ours, was able to defend against them you can be successful and move on to championships like us. We were able to put up 3 digits. Our high score being 151. All this being said you can't underestimate defense AT ALL especially against tall robots.

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Defence is very important.
We were able to make the elims (4th seed) with a single cim kitbot without any working functions at GTRE. We felt horrible as pretty much every robot there was better than ours.

With how few Frisbee that are on the ground a good defence was more important than a shooter sometimes.

It was also interesting to see 1114 choose a 30 point climber vs. a pickup

Re: What did we learn from week 2 of the 2013 season?
 

From San Diego, I learned how every full-court shooter has the potential to be blocked, and my guess is that towards the closing regionals defense will be very good at it, rendering full-courts disabled.

Autonomous is super important, as seen by 987's pixie dust intake and any 7 disk autonomous put together.

Also, 30pt climbs are overrated. It takes precise maneuverability to line up correctly to the corner, and falling off and crushing an important subsystem (148) is just too risky for only 30 points. Without 3Day and the fact that frisbees are simply easier to shoot accurately, 30 points makes sense. However, that is not how this game has developed. Hopefully FIRST will raise the point value for championships.