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Greg Needel

13-03-2013 23:57

Texas Rankings

Similar to what Joe Ross did for California (in this thread) I have applied the FiM ranking system to teams in texas through week 2.

Here are the FiM points system.

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POINT CATEGORY POINTS                                         POINTS                 

Win-Loss Record in Qualifying Rounds                                                         

Win                                                         2

Tie                                                         1

Final Alliance Captains After Picking                                                         

#1 Alliance Captain                                         16                

#2 Alliance Captain                                         15                

#3 Alliance Captain down to #8 Alliance Captain         14 down to 9                 

Draft Order by Acceptance                                                         

#1 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                 16                        

#2 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                 15                        

#3Draft Pick down to #16 Draft Pick                         14 down to 1                                 

Elimination Round Performance                                                         

Winning Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                30                        

Second Pick                                                24        

Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                20                        

Second Pick                                                16        

Semi Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                10                        

Second Pick                                                8        

Awards                                                         

Industrial Design                                         5                

Quality                                                 5        

Excellence in Engineering                                 5                        

Innovation in Control                                         5                

Creativity                                                 5        

Entrepreneurship                                         5                

Team Spirit                                                 2        

Gracious Professionalism                                 2                        

Imagery                                                 2        

Highest Rookie Seed                                         2                

Industrial Safety                                         2                

Judges Award                                                 2        

Rookie Inspiration                                         2

I plan on updating this through the season using the teams's first two regional performances. At this point there are 2 teams which have had 2 events (and they are marked with an *). Also many teams have not played.

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Rank                Team                Points

1                148                67

2                118                64

3                4063                63

4                2587                61

5                2789*                60

6                57                54

7                4587                45

8                1801*                43

9                1477                38

10                3310                38

11                2936                37

12                1296                35

13                3847                35

14                4694                35

15                231                34

16                2468                34

17                2848                32

18                624                31

19                4852                31

20                4328                30

21                647                28

22                1429                27

23                704                26

24                3741                26

25                2582                25

26                418                22

27                4552                21

28                4570                21

29                441                20

30                3103                18

31                3366                15

32                4378                15

33                2585                12

34                4589                12

35                4689                12

36                2881                10

37                3335                10

38                3481                10

39                4206                10

40                4300                10

41                4351                10

42                4734                10

43                4853                10

44                3696                9

45                457                8

46                2965                8

47                3730                8

48                4155                8

49                4295                8

50                4298                8

51                4346                8

52                4717                8

53                1865                7

54                3735                7

55                653                6

56                1642                6

57                1817                6

58                2613                6

59                2737                6

60                2882                6

61                2982                6

62                3833                6

63                4280                6

64                4301                6

65                4798                6

66                4799                6

67                3305                5

68                1255                4

69                3035                4

70                3728                4

71                4672                4

72                4639                2

                499                0

                922                0

                1745                0

                1774                0

                2158                0

                2583                0

                2721                0

                2747                0

                2805                0

                2833                0

                2897                0

                2948                0

                2950                0

                2966                0

                2969                0

                2985                0

                3005                0

                3028                0

                3029                0

                3037                0

                3043                0

                3080                0

                3240                0

                3282                0

                3320                0

                3345                0

                3350                0

                3353                0

                3355                0

                3370                0

                3413                0

                3417                0

                3497                0

                3545                0

                3552                0

                3561                0

                3582                0

                3614                0

                3676                0

                3679                0

                3743                0

                3802                0

                3834                0

                3997                0

                3999                0

                4000                0

                4045                0

                4076                0

                4138                0

                4192                0

                4219                0

                4259                0

                4271                0

                4282                0

                4317                0

                4332                0

                4335                0

                4354                0

                4359                0

                4364                0

                4412                0

                4502                0

                4597                0

                4610                0

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                4670                0

                4679                0

                4696                0

                4747                0

MattC9

14-03-2013 00:05

Re: Texas Rankings

I know you said there would be changes to this, will chairmans and eingineering inspiration be added to the awards list?

Greg Needel

14-03-2013 00:16

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattC9 (Post 1247950)

I know you said there would be changes to this, will chairmans and eingineering inspiration be added to the awards list?

Right now Chairmans, Engineering inspiration and rookie all-star are not point awards in the FIM ranking system. Those awards qualify you for the state championship to compete for those awards but don't impact the rank as they are listed. When texas moves to the district system I am sure there will be many discussions of how this is handled but for now I am going to leave those awards out of the rankings.

2789_B_Garcia

14-03-2013 03:21

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 1247945)

I plan on updating this through the season using the teams's first two regional performances.

Aww...What if we 3-peat to finals at Alamo? :D

Seriously, though, thanks for putting this together, our team loves data!

Greg Needel

14-03-2013 03:59

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia (Post 1248005)

Aww...What if we 3-peat to finals at Alamo? :D

The current method used for FiM is only 2 events count( although I am not clear how it is decided which 2 events). This is because under district systems each team is guaranteed 2 events, and while you can play more it would be unfair to buy your way into the state championship just by attending loads of events.

The real question is when Texas goes to districts how big will the state championship be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia (Post 1248005)

Seriously, though, thanks for putting this together, our team loves data!

You are welcome. I like data also. See you at Alamo.

GaryVoshol

14-03-2013 06:46

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 1248007)

The current method used for FiM is only 2 events count( although I am not clear how it is decided which 2 events).

The first 2 districts they attend. 3rd districts are just for practice. Any out-of-state regionals also do not count toward FiM rankings - although they could qualify a team for the Championship.

2789_B_Garcia

14-03-2013 09:57

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 1247960)

Under FiM, how many teams make it to the state championship through the ranking system? If a team qualifies for state with a regional chairman's award, does their robot still compete, giving them the chance to qualify for St Louis through competing?

nikeairmancurry

14-03-2013 10:08

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia (Post 1248046)

All district Chairman's award winners do compete at the state championship with the robot. So they have more options of getting to St. Louis, via 1 of 3 Chairman's spots, winning the state championship or qualifiying based on points. The top 64 teams in the state based on points compete at the state championship. So this year 64/207 teams compete, so about 30% of Michigan teams.

scottandme

14-03-2013 10:18

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia (Post 1248046)

FiM has 64 teams qualify for the state tournament (out of 207 this year). MAR had 53 at MAR CMP last year (out of 99), and this year it says "at least 50" out of 109. Looks like Texas currently has 140 teams, so assuming a 50-60 team event it would be more selective than MAR but less selective than Michigan.

RCA automatically qualifies your robot to attend the State/Region CMP. EI and RAS were able to attend (sans robot) and set up a booth to compete for those awards.

Coach Norm

14-03-2013 10:47

Re: Texas Rankings

Greg,

You beat me to it. I kept one of these last year for curiosity sake.

Do you have a spreadsheet for the calculations or doing it by hand?

Joe Ross and I were visiting about it.

I asked him how he would handle teams that compete in more than two tournaments? He is keeping one with an average as well for each team.

Very interesting information to look at.

I also wonder if the District model will only include Texas.

See you in San Antonio at Alamo.

lynca

14-03-2013 10:52

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 1247945)

Similar to what Joe Ross did for California (in this thread) I have applied the FiM ranking system to teams in texas through week 2.

Hah ! After seeing the California rankings, I started working on the same data,
Glad to see other people around Texas are thinking along similar lines.

Thanks for posting.

Greg Needel

14-03-2013 12:32

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Norm (Post 1248055)

Do you have a spreadsheet for the calculations or doing it by hand?

I asked him how he would handle teams that compete in more than two tournaments? He is keeping one with an average as well for each team.

Very interesting information to look at.

I also wonder if the District model will only include Texas.

See you in San Antonio at Alamo.

I have a spreadsheet for this, but it still requires a bunch of manual data entry work. I did this while I was sitting on an airplane so time wasn't the limiting factor, that being said I want to clean it up a bit before I would send it out.

I have no idea how the districts will be setup. I have heard rumblings with all sorts of possibilities including what states (or countries) get included and when the change will happen (next year or the following year or beyond).

I look forward to seeing you and your team at Alamo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynca (Post 1248057)

Hah ! After seeing the California rankings, I started working on the same data,
Glad to see other people around Texas are thinking along similar lines.

Thanks for posting.

HA, had I known you were working on it I would have waited to do mine :-P. I think alot of people in the texas region are starting to think districts with all of the rumors floating around.

JohnSchneider

14-03-2013 14:10

Re: Texas Rankings

I imagine we'll probably get Oklahoma, and arkansas included. I doubt Mexico because of the logistical implications. Theyll probably get their own regional once texas and the south moves to district, since they wont be able to come into the district events.

AllenGregoryIV

14-03-2013 14:52

Re: Texas Rankings

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Greg thanks for putting this data together.

Since we're talking about Texas Districts. First I know nothing official except I'm pretty sure we're not going to districts next season.

2nd everyone that's interested should look at what New England is putting together. http://www.nefirst.org/blog/. Their model solves a lot of the problems we would have in Texas with the FiM model. We still don't know if FIRST is going to approve their proposal. It eliminates the requirement for two events before the district championship which would be very difficult on some of our teams from the south and from the west.

Also attached is a graphic that someone (I don't know who) produced that has Texas as a region all by itself and it includes the eventual Super Regionals.

Before we go to a full District system I think we should work on getting a state championship after FRC Championships like Minnesota. http://www.mnfirstregional.org/offseason/mshsl I remember reading about this idea somewhere in the FIRSTinTexas strategic plan but I can't find it now.

JohnSchneider

14-03-2013 14:54

Re: Texas Rankings

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1248162)

I believe Minnesota's "State championship" is due to the fact that schools are required to have FRC teams in Minnesota now, and so it sort of acts as a UIL sport (without being one). We have the TRR which is pretty much the same thing though!

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