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excel2474 14-03-2013 23:28

Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Is it legal to tilt the frame of the robot (such that the bumpers are no longer within the bumper zone) during the last 20 seconds of the match, to get a better angle while shooting the red or blue Frisbees?

This action is the same action many robots take in order to climb the pyramid. I have not seen any rules that differentiates this action from the action of climbing the pyramid. Any thoughts??

CalTran 14-03-2013 23:30

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by excel2474 (Post 1248373)
Is it legal to tilt the frame of the robot (such that the bumpers are no longer within the bumper zone) during the last 20 seconds of the match, to get a better angle while shooting the red or blue Frisbees?

This action is the same action many robots take in order to climb the pyramid. I have not seen any rules that differentiates this action from the action of climbing the pyramid. Any thoughts??

As long as you're touching the pyramid you'd be alright.

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:32

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
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Originally Posted by Wiifi (Post 1248375)
That's like asking if a robot can climb the pyramid or not - if a robot would have to keep their bumpers between 2"-10" for the entirety of the match do you think we would see any 30 point climbers?

You would think, but our team is getting some flack for doing attempting it, yet nobody has pointed at a rule prohibiting it.

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:33

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1248376)
As long as you're touching the pyramid you'd be alright.

Is there a specific rule that you're referring to when you say it "must be touching"?

z_beeblebrox 14-03-2013 23:33

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1248376)
As long as you're touching the pyramid you'd be alright.

I don't think you even need to touch the pyramid for it to be legal.

ehochstein 14-03-2013 23:38

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
R25
BUMPERS must be located entirely within the BUMPER ZONE, which is between 2 and 10 in. from the floor, in reference to the ROBOT standing normally on a flat floor.

CalTran 14-03-2013 23:39

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
I think you do, because otherwise the bumper restrictions wouldn't really be restrictions. I believe in normal configuration the bumper rules are always in play, provided you aren't tipped

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:40

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiifi (Post 1248385)
R25
BUMPERS must be located entirely within the BUMPER ZONE, which is between 2 and 10 in. from the floor, in reference to the ROBOT standing normally on a flat floor.

But the robot would not be standing normal to the floor, it would be tilted for the end game, just like robots tilt to climb the tower. When the robot is normal to the floor, the bumpers satisfy the requirements.

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:42

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1248386)
I think you do, because otherwise the bumper restrictions wouldn't really be restrictions. I believe in normal configuration the bumper rules are always in play, provided you aren't tipped

They are certainly not in effect during the end game while climbing the tower.

ehochstein 14-03-2013 23:42

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by excel2474 (Post 1248387)
But the robot would not be standing normal to the floor, it would be tilted for the end game, just like robots tilt to climb the tower. When the robot is normal to the floor, the bumpers satisfy the requirements.

It says in reference to the robot standing normally on a flat floor.

To me this implies that it would be alright for the robot to tilt during the match, as long as your bumpers are non-articulating.

CalTran 14-03-2013 23:45

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by excel2474 (Post 1248388)
They are certainly not in effect during the end game while climbing the tower.

When climbing the tower you invoke what I imagine would be considered CLIMBING configuration, with a whole new set of rules

Karthik 14-03-2013 23:45

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
This Q&A entry addresses your question.

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-remain-within

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRC Q&A #560
Q. If a robot is NOT "in the process of CLIMBING", but deploys a mechanism that tilts the robot relative to its "wheels on the floor" orientation (while meeting G23), do the bumpers need to remain within the bumper zone in order to satisfy R25?

A. Yes.


excel2474 14-03-2013 23:46

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
To me this implies that it would be alright for the robot to tilt during the match, as long as your bumpers are non-articulating.[/quote]

Okay, I think you make a good point, but I'm just wondering what is the difference between exiting the bumper configuration during climbing and during shooting the colored frisbees.

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:49

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1248393)
This Q&A entry addresses your question.

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-remain-within

Okay, this does seem to clarify things. Does the process of climbing necessarily involve contact with the tower?

excel2474 14-03-2013 23:55

Re: Tilting Robot for better shot?
 
Many robots score point with the colored frisbees after they have entered "climbing configuration". If tilting the robot was a part of the "climbing configuration", I don't see why it would not be legal to score frisbee points in this configuration.


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