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dodar 28-03-2013 16:17

Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1253965)
If W/L/T is your sole metric, maybe (just maybe) I can agree with you. But you give the perfect example of why that metric doesn't matter in 2010. The 6v0. Not every opponent 1114 faced during qualifications in 2010 even attempted to beat them.
If you factor in their performance relative to their peers, it's not even close. 1114 was heads, shoulder, forearms, and elbows above everyone else in 2008. It had some kinks to work out at the beginning of the season, but even then it was still clearly the best robot on the field. Once they got everything together, it was unstoppable. They would outscore entire elimination alliances with their hybrid mode alone. That robot was easily the most dominant machine of the 3v3 era.

Exactly. 1114 from 2008, to me, is the only competitior for 71 from 2002 as most dominant robot.

Racer26 28-03-2013 16:19

Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?
 
True. I'd forgotten how well 6v0 played into Quatchi's undefeated-ness. Point conceded.

Maybe I'm just still irked by one of SS's only losses coming in the only match 1075 played on the same side of the glass as 1114 in 2008, and thus not remembering its utter dominance quite as well as I should.

Lil' Lavery 28-03-2013 16:37

Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1253966)
Exactly. 1114 from 2008, to me, is the only competitior for 71 from 2002 as most dominant robot.

Arguably not even the best machine from 71. Their 2001 and 1997 efforts are definitely on par with it, and I would rank ahead of 1114 in 2008. Also would rank 47 in 2000 and 60 in 2002 ahead of 1114 in 2008. 25 in 2006 also is in the picture.

JackN 28-03-2013 16:53

Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1253975)
Arguably not even the best machine from 71. Their 2001 and 1997 efforts are definitely on par with it, and I would rank ahead of 1114 in 2008. Also would rank 47 in 2000 and 60 in 2002 ahead of 1114 in 2008. 25 in 2006 also is in the picture.

Whenever these discussions come up I always think that the most "overlooked" great robot was 67 in 2009. Maybe they were not massively better than other robots, but they DOMINATED their districts and events. They had an unfathomable record of 79-7-1 that season. In a game that was designed for no one to dominate they were basically unbeatable.

apples000 31-03-2013 07:27

Re: Climbing and dumping not winning?
 
In CT, the winning alliance had team 95 as their second pick. Team 95 used the entire match to climb and dump. The number 4 alliance was led by team 236 who shot 3 in the high goal in auto and climbed/dumped. They were close to beating the number 1 alliance, and they would have won if they had not got two technical fouls. A climber and dumper that is consistent and fast can be a component of a winning alliance, but there aren't many who can climb every time.


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