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Jaxom 18-03-2013 20:36
Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
I thought it'd be fun to join California and Texas and apply the FiM ranking system to Missouri and Kansas teams.

Only 1986 has gone to two events as of week 3, so Missouri looks a bit out of whack:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points
1        1986        149      (78 points max; Hub City)
2        1806        66
3        3284        64
4        1288        63
5        1939        58
6        1658        45
7        1985        45
8        1706        45
9        1775        42
10        1730        42
11        2408        42
12        3528        41
13        2457        37
14        1329        37
15        3885        35
16        4256        34
17        1444        31
18        1987        28
19        1094        27
20        1825        24
21        4330        24
22        2357        24
23        2346        23
24        2978        22
25        2345        22
26        1763        21
27        3862        21
28        3792        20
29        3784        17
30        4329        16
31        1182        15
32        1764        15
33        4455        14
34        2353        14
35        4500        14
36        931        13
37        4402        12
38        4356        12
39        3330        12
40        1737        12
41        4809        12
42        2164        10
43        4231        10
44        4331        10
45        4600        8
46        3397        8
47        4522        8
48        2001        8
49        2560        8
50        2167        6
51        1827        6
52        1723        6
53        1785        6
54        1178        6
55        4154        6
56        2838        6
57        3973        4
58        2874        4
59        4404        2
60        2902        2
61        3764        0 (has not yet competed)
Kansas:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points
1        1108        42
2        935        27
3        1982        23
4        1810        23
5        938        19
6        1710        18
7        2335        12
8        2410        10
9        3485        10
10        1984        8
11        1777        6
12        1769        6
13        1997        6
14        1847        6
15        937        6
16        1994        4
17        1802        2
18        1448        0 (has not yet competed)
19        3798        0 (has not yet competed)
20        3172        0 (has not yet competed)
The FIRST in Michigan rules supplement, which includes the points system, can be found here: http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2...Supplement.pdf

CalTran 18-03-2013 20:41
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Heyyy, we're tied for 8th best robot in KC right now. :cool: I was going to offer help with this project, but it would appear that you don't need it anymore :rolleyes: I like how it puts a comparison for all teams in your local area, even if you didn't compete with them.

Jaxom 18-03-2013 21:05
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1249905)
I was going to offer help with this project, but it would appear that you don't need it anymore
Thanks for the (almost) offer; as it turned out it wasn't as hard as I thought. Thanks to Basel A's post in the California rankings thread I had an easy time getting all of the team and event info. The rest of it wasn't that time-consuming; obviously GKC & STL took the vast majority of the time once I set up the spreadsheet. The rest of the weeks won't be hard to update; we have fewer, remaining, competitions in those 3 combined than were in either STL or GKC last weekend.

I'm sure I made an error or eight, but it's probably pretty close.

Jaxom 24-03-2013 16:23
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Only one Missouri (1985) and one Kansas (3172) team competed in week 4; Queen City & Dallas respectively. So updating the data for this week was simple. Congratulations to 1985 for joining the MO & KS teams going to CMP; we'll see you there.

Missouri:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points
1        1986        149  (78 & 71)
2        1985        103  (45 & 58)
3        1806        66
4        3284        64
5        1288        63
6        1939        58
7        1706        45
8        1658        45
9        1775        42
10        1730        42
11        2408        42
12        3528        41
13        2457        37
14        1329        37
15        3885        35
16        4256        34
17        1444        31
18        1987        28
19        1094        27
20        1825        24
21        4330        24
22        2357        24
23        2346        23
24        2978        22
25        2345        22
26        1763        21
27        3862        21
28        3792        20
29        3784        17
30        4329        16
31        1182        15
32        1764        15
33        4455        14
34        2353        14
35        4500        14
36        931        13
37        4402        12
38        4356        12
39        3330        12
40        1737        12
41        4809        12
42        2164        10
43        4231        10
44        4331        10
45        4600        8
46        3397        8
47        4522        8
48        2001        8
49        2560        8
50        2167        6
51        1827        6
52        1723        6
53        1785        6
54        1178        6
55        4154        6
56        2838        6
57        3973        4
58        2874        4
59        4404        2
60        2902        2
61        3764        0  (has not yet competed)
Kansas:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points
1        1108        42
2        935        27
3        3172        26
4        1982        23
5        1810        23
6        938        19
7        1710        18
8        2335        12
9        2410        10
10        3485        10
11        1984        8
12        1997        6
13        1769        6
14        937        6
15        1777        6
16        1847        6
17        1994        4
18        1802        2
19        3798        0  (has not yet competed)
20        1448        0  (has not yet competed)

Jaxom 31-03-2013 17:10
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
After week 5, we added 1987 (RCA at Alamo) to the list of Missouri & Kansas teams eligible for CMP. All teams have now competed in at least 1 event. In order to show a better comparison between teams that have gone to different numbers of events, I've included a maximum & average score. Only 1986 has been to 3 regionals; per FiM rules only the first 2 count so I've not included our data for Oklahoma.

Missouri:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points  Max    Average
1        1986        149        78        74.5 
2        1806        126        66        63.0
3        1985        103        58        51.5
4        3284        64        64        64.0
5        1288        63        63        63.0
6        1775        61        42        30.5
7        1939        58        58        58.0
8        1987        52        28        26.0
9        1658        45        45        45.0
10        1706        45        45        45.0
11        1730        42        42        42.0
12        2408        42        42        42.0
13        3528        41        41        41.0
14        1329        37        37        37.0
15        2457        37        37        37.0
16        3885        35        35        35.0
17        4256        34        34        34.0
18        1444        31        31        31.0
19        1094        27        27        27.0
20        2357        24        24        24.0
21        1825        24        24        24.0
22        4330        24        24        24.0
23        2346        23        23        23.0
24        2345        22        22        22.0
25        2978        22        22        22.0
26        3862        21        21        21.0
27        1763        21        21        21.0
28        3792        20        20        20.0
29        3784        17        17        17.0
30        4329        16        16        16.0
31        1764        15        15        15.0
32        1182        15        15        15.0
33        4455        14        14        14.0
34        4500        14        14        14.0
35        1785        14        8        7.0
36        2353        14        14        14.0
37        931        13        13        13.0
38        1737        12        12        12.0
39        4402        12        12        12.0
40        4356        12        12        12.0
41        3330        12        12        12.0
42        4809        12        12        12.0
43        4331        10        10        10.0
44        2164        10        10        10.0
45        4231        10        10        10.0
46        4522        8        8        8.0
47        2001        8        8        8.0
48        2560        8        8        8.0
49        3397        8        8        8.0
50        4600        8        8        8.0
51        1827        6        6        6.0
52        2167        6        6        6.0
53        1178        6        6        6.0
54        4154        6        6        6.0
55        2838        6        6        6.0
56        1723        6        6        6.0
57        2874        4        4        4.0
58        3973        4        4        4.0
59        3764        4        4        4.0
60        4404        2        2        2.0
61        2902        2        2        2.0
Kansas:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points  Max    Average
1        935        60        33        30.0
2        1108        42        42        42.0
3        938        27        19        13.5
4        3172        26        26        26.0
5        1982        23        23        23.0
6        1810        23        23        23.0
7        1448        20        20        20.0
8        1710        18        18        18.0
9        2335        12        12        12.0
10        3485        10        10        10.0
11        2410        10        10        10.0
12        1984        8        8        8.0
13        937        6        6        6.0
14        1777        6        6        6.0
15        1847        6        6        6.0
16        1997        6        6        6.0
17        3798        6        6        6.0
18        1769        6        6        6.0
19        1994        4        4        4.0
20        1802        2        2        2.0

SharonO 10-04-2013 08:12
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Out of curiosity, any chance of seeing an updated ranking list after teams competed for a second time in week 6 at Razorback?

Thanks!

Richard Wallace 10-04-2013 09:31
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SharonO (Post 1259720)
..., any chance of seeing an updated ranking list after teams competed for a second time in week 6 at Razorback?
And Crossroads.

Did any Missouri/Kansas teams compete at other Week 6 events?

Jaxom 10-04-2013 15:55
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SharonO (Post 1259720)
Out of curiosity, any chance of seeing an updated ranking list after teams competed for a second time in week 6 at Razorback?

Thanks!
Yes, I'm planning on updating...I've been travelling for work. Hopefully tonight.

Jaxom 10-04-2013 23:40
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
15 MO & KS teams competed at Crossroads and Razorback in week 6; 13 of those were in eliminations. Up Next! (3528) won EI at Razorback and RAVEN Robotics (1288) got a wild-card slot at Crossroads, adding 2 teams to the list of CMP-eligible teams.

MO:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points  Max    Average
1        1986        149        78        74.5
2        1806        126        66        63.0
3        1939        106        58        53.0
4        1288        104        63        52.0
5        1985        103        58        51.5
6        3284        96        64        48.0
7        3528        75        41        37.5
8        1730        71        42        35.5
9        1706        66        45        33.0
10        1775        61        42        30.5
11        4256        59        34        29.5
12        1987        52        28        26.0
13        1094        45        27        22.5
14        1658        45        45        45.0
15        2408        42        42        42.0
16        931        41        28        20.5
17        2457        37        37        37.0
18        1329        37        37        37.0
19        3784        36        19        18.0
20        3885        35        35        35.0
21        4330        32        24        16.0
22        1444        31        31        31.0
23        1764        27        15        13.5
24        1825        24        24        24.0
25        2164        24        14        12.0
26        2357        24        24        24.0
27        2346        23        23        23.0
28        2978        22        22        22.0
29        2345        22        22        22.0
30        3862        21        21        21.0
31        1763        21        21        21.0
32        3792        20        20        20.0
33        4329        16        16        16.0
34        1723        16        10        8.0
35        1182        15        15        15.0
36        4500        14        14        14.0
37        4455        14        14        14.0
38        1785        14        8        7.0
39        2353        14        14        14.0
40        4356        12        12        12.0
41        1737        12        12        12.0
42        4402        12        12        12.0
43        3330        12        12        12.0
44        4809        12        12        12.0
45        4231        10        10        10.0
46        4331        10        10        10.0
47        4522        8        8        8.0
48        2001        8        8        8.0
49        4600        8        8        8.0
50        2560        8        8        8.0
51        3397        8        8        8.0
52        2838        6        6        6.0
53        1178        6        6        6.0
54        4154        6        6        6.0
55        2167        6        6        6.0
56        1827        6        6        6.0
57        3764        4        4        4.0
58        2874        4        4        4.0
59        3973        4        4        4.0
60        4404        2        2        2.0
61        2902        2        2        2.0
KS:
Code:
Rank    Team  Points  Max    Average
1        935        60        33        30.0
2        1108        42        42        42.0
3        2410        36        26        18.0
4        938        27        19        13.5
5        3172        26        26        26.0
6        1982        23        23        23.0
7        1810        23        23        23.0
8        1448        20        20        20.0
9        1710        18        18        18.0
10        2335        12        12        12.0
11        3485        10        10        10.0
12        1984        8        8        8.0
13        1847        6        6        6.0
14        3798        6        6        6.0
15        1769        6        6        6.0
16        1997        6        6        6.0
17        937        6        6        6.0
18        1777        6        6        6.0
19        1994        4        4        4.0
20        1802        2        2        2.0

CalTran 10-04-2013 23:48
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
WOHOO 3RD RANKED ROBOT IN KANSAS!

Tommy F. 11-04-2013 00:06
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1260286)
Up Next! (3528) won EI at Crossroads
3528 won EI at Razorback last weekend, not Crossroads. :P

Thanks for doing these rankings. I realize they're a lot of work and are time consuming, so for that, you are awesome.

Jaxom 11-04-2013 23:12
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7h0m54 (Post 1260303)
3528 won EI at Razorback last weekend, not Crossroads. :P
Thanks. I messed up adding 1288's wildcard. :o Fixed

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7h0m54 (Post 1260303)
Thanks for doing these rankings. I realize they're a lot of work and are time consuming, so for that, you are awesome.
It was fun, and really wasn't that hard. Unfortunately, a side effect was pointing out to me just how far we are from being able to go to Districts. There's just too much space between the teams, and not enough of us.

Joe Ross 11-04-2013 23:39
Re: Missouri and Kansas rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1260771)
It was fun, and really wasn't that hard. Unfortunately, a side effect was pointing out to me just how far we are from being able to go to Districts. There's just too much space between the teams, and not enough of us.
80 teams in Kansas and Missouri should be enough. Assuming growth next year, you'd want 5 events. Looking at Where in the World is FIRST, you'd want 2 in the Kansas City area, 2 in the St Louis area and 1 somewhere in between (Maybe Jefferson City).There's be a lot of duplicates between the Kansas City events and the St Louis events, but some teams will want to travel, and provide mixing of the regions.

Mongai 11-04-2013 23:51
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80 teams in Kansas and Missouri should be enough. Assuming growth next year, you'd want 5 events. Looking at Where in the World is FIRST, you'd want 2 in the Kansas City area, 2 in the St Louis area and 1 somewhere in between (Maybe Jefferson City).There's be a lot of duplicates between the Kansas City events and the St Louis events, but some teams will want to travel, and provide mixing of the regions.
Despite BEST's presence in Wichita, seeing FIRST in Wichita would be really fun. We are the closest FRC team to Wichita.

holygrail 12-04-2013 08:58
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Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1260791)
80 teams in Kansas and Missouri should be enough. Assuming growth next year, you'd want 5 events. Looking at Where in the World is FIRST, you'd want 2 in the Kansas City area, 2 in the St Louis area and 1 somewhere in between (Maybe Jefferson City).There's be a lot of duplicates between the Kansas City events and the St Louis events, but some teams will want to travel, and provide mixing of the regions.
Columbia or Lawrence would probably be a better bet than Jefferson City. That way you have MU and KU to offer up space and volunteers. Plus, college towns are fun.

vhcook 12-04-2013 10:23
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Columbia or Lawrence would probably be a better bet than Jefferson City. That way you have MU and KU to offer up space and volunteers. Plus, college towns are fun.
Or Springfield might be kinder to the teams in the southern part of the state. Also a college town...

Jaxom 12-04-2013 12:33
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Or Springfield might be kinder to the teams in the southern part of the state. Also a college town...
Or even Rolla, which has the Missouri University of Science & Technology. Hopefully between students & an Army base they could come up with enough volunteers. :D

What do we do with the Illinois teams that traditionally come to STL? We'd also miss the periodic visits of the Iowa, Arkansas, and Oklahoma teams that come to GKC. Something else to address.

Richard Wallace 12-04-2013 12:44
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What do we do with the Illinois teams that traditionally come to STL?

We'd also miss the periodic visits of the Iowa, Arkansas, and Oklahoma teams that come to GKC. Something else to address.
Add southern Illinois to the KSMO district system! Say all the teams from Springfield IL on down.

Also include Iowa and Arkansas. Not sure about OK, they might want to join a Southwestern district system (i.e., Texas, Louisiana, etc.) instead.

All this speculation highlights your main point -- the teams are spread thin geographically. A strong district system should have at least five events, but more would be better. One event per twenty teams fits the FiM model, which is working well up here and in MAR right now.

All this speculation makes me miss my old team, and my old planning committee, back in St. Louis. Fun times ahead for you folks, I wish I could be there. :(


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