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The only way 1421 would have got that technical foul is if they were making an attempt to climb the pyramid. Granted everyone knew what they were going to do but they never started their climbing mechanism. A couple of team members and I were saying that as soon as they got under the pyramid, they should have raised their hooks so that if they got pushed and hit the pyramid, it would have been a technical foul but hey, it didn't stop them from pulling of one of the most amazing climb and dumps this season.

The TigerBytes really enjoyed Bayou this year. Though we were never at full strength and had issues all competition, we still had a blast competing with everyone.

Special thanks to 364 and 3337 for all the help with batteries you guys gave us throughout the regional.

Congrats to our friends 3753 on their regional win along with 118 and 4589!! It's always great to not only see a local team win but also do it as the #1 seed.


Thanks to all the teams that attended. Bayou was one of the most competitive regionals I've seen this year and the finals were the most exciting in my books!!

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You're welcome!

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Contacting a team while they are actively shooting (particularly if a frisbee is disrupted) is a 20 point technical foul, though it obviously doesn't include the 30 point climb bonus. Actively shooting is key here. If you line up and frisbees aren't coming out, it's just 3 points.

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Agreed. The reason I said it that way was because 1421 doesn't have a shooter. They only climbed and dumped colored frisbees in the top of the pyramid.

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I think that's a VERY loose interpretation of the rule

I would say that intentionally contacting a robot who is contacting its pyramid and lining up to shoot is both purposeful and consequential. If they can't line up they can't shoot, so preventing them from lining up prior to shooting (while contacting the pyramid) is consequential.

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Chris' interpretation is how the rule has been called at multiple events so far this season.

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Yup, but that doesn't make it right. I would say if you had frisbees loaded and the capability to shoot you would certainly have a good argument anyway.

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Regardless of whether or not the interpretation of the rule is "right," you shouldn't expect any more protection under the rule than what Chris described. That seems to be the way Manchester has instructed referees to call it.

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Including the call that decided the WPI regional against our favor. In my opinion it was the correct call (or at least a consistent call, which works for me), especially based on how I had seen it called at BAE and earlier in the regional, but if there is a Q&A response contradicting this I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Keep in mind that if you are being defended this way, all you have to do is blindly shoot a frisbee for you to draw the technical foul. We would have done that in Finals 3, but the hit we received caused our shooter to jam before we could.

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Was anyone told what happened during the Semi-Finals and the Finals with field communication?

Landon was correct about 2992 losing communication. It wasn't apparent by FMS lights or the log. Their log file was constant throughout the match when I checked it.

They came running to our pit infuriated saying that the robot wasn't driving correctly and that they lost communication. I believe what they were saying is that much of the movement that can be seen in the video here, was not of their control. As a robot that has driven 10 qualification matches and 2 finals matches, I believe they probably know how to drive their robot. What they're doing here is just moving forward and backward half of the match.

After I viewed their log file, I thought it might have been a battery issue (I didn't watch the match. I was in the pit cleaning and packing). Their voltage drooped to about 7V at some points of the match. After watching the video, I can see they had plenty of power to rush across the field after regaining control to hang for 10 points. I have no idea what's going on here.

The other thing that is concerning is that after this match, I took the robot to the practice field to work on vision. We were done at this point and it was something I have been wanting to get working. Well, while practicing, one of the FIRST volunteers (Don) came up to me and said that they (FIRST) thinks we have been "hacked" (His word, not mine). I told him that we didn't have any problems that match (At least Landon or our other driver, Michael said anything to me about it). I told them that our partners, The S.S. Prometheus (2992) said they had communication issues. I immediately brought the robot back to our pit and scoured the pits for their main team mentor... I can't remember his name, but I know he's on these forums. After I found him, we found Don again. Don, 2992, and I then proceeded to walk to the FTA table where we talked to Scott Marshall.

To give some background of 364 and Scott Marshall... we don't get along well. I don't know what grudge he has against our team, but he snapped on one of our students at Jump Start Build when that student asked how it was going this year. He started yelling and rambling on about how the problems last year are over with, the problem was with our robot, it wasn't FMS, yada yada... The student didn't say anything about our problems last year. I hate ratting on a guy, but this needs to come out. His prejudice against our team has been present since 2007, when Bayou began, when I was on the team, and when I had to go through robot inspection with him.

As soon as we walked up (me being in an Orange Fusion shirt), he got all snappy again and said it wasn't FMS problems and told us to leave. That was it... At this point I knew I wasn't going to get to the bottom of this with Scott.

So what I want to know is who told Don that we had been hacked, and whether or not our alliance was hacked.

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The answer to Q138 in Q&A defines consequential as "the action has an effect on the outcome of a match". I would say that preventing a team from lining up to score could fall under that category and should be specifically pointed out to a referee if it happens to you.

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I for one know that to hear something like that is not a good thing to hear.
FIRST is about "Gracious Professionalism". I don't know if this a hoax, lie, or something that is actually true, but this should never happen, and 'hacking' is not gracious or professional. Kids and mentors alike work very, very hard on the robot and to lose a match to 'hacking' is just disgusting.

Like I said, who knows. 364 isn't pointing fingers. But we still want to know what's going on.

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Does anyone have the alliance selection results in order for Bayou (ie Alliance Captain, First pick, Second pick)?

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I'm making this from blue alliance data so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

1. 3753 -> 118 -> 4589
2. 155 -> 1421 -> 3039
3. 3606* -> 1927 -> 3991
4. 3847 -> 233 -> 1912
5. 364 -> 2992 -> 3616
6. 1477 -> 456 ->442
7. 3410 -> 2352 -> 1649
8. 2080 -> 3937 -> 3164

* 1477 declined 3606

I'm not 100% sure about the order of the two #8 selections but I think that's right.

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That is correct!