2013 Bayou Regional
 

Haven't seen the discussion thread for the 2013 Bayou Regional yet, so here we go:

55 Teams attending:
118----155----233
364----442 ----456
1304----1421----1477
1649----1758----1818
1912----1927----2078
2080----2091----2183
2221----2242----2352
2973----2992----3039
3164----3337----3410
3468----3469----3606
3616----3753----3782
3783----3847----3937
3946----3991----4053
4087----4107----4113
4136----4179----4209
4297----4316----4336
4353----4516----4589
4668----4770----4805
4832


Team 2992 is looking forward to some good games, excellent competition, fun times, and gracious professionalism at the upcoming Bayou.

See you all there, where we will be entering "Viper" as our Ultimate Ascent robot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdpNVwZmPbs

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We put together a group of Bayou Regional teams on twitter:

https://twitter.com/FRC2352/bayou-regional-teams

Let us know if your team is attending the Bayou and has a twitter account that we missed.

@frc2352

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and check out our cart, the students love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31UVNcLHuTk

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We've got a lot of visitors this year (the furthest being 155 from CT!!) so Bayou is going to be loads of fun!!

9 from Florida
6 from Mississippi
4 from Alabama
4 from Texas
2 from Tennessee
1 from Oklahoma
1 from South Carolina
1 from Arkansas
1 from Connecticut
1 from Georgia

Also, here are some stats of the teams coming to Bayou:

1 Regional Winner (118)
2 Regional Finalist (233 and 3847)
1 Engineering Inspiration Award Winner (118)

15/55 teams have competed in one regional already
6 rookies attending Bayou this year!!

4209 is looking forward to meeting all the teams for our second year at Bayou!!

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It's definitely an improvement from when your cart had backwards flames from 2009. :rolleyes: Unless that IS the same cart just with flashy lights ;) All in all it looks fantastic.

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We have come a long way in only those few years. Our cart growth was unprecedented and dare I say, revolutionary, to our team. The cart is now the pillar of inner growth and team bonding, together we stand united. ;)

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The Mad Rockers are headed down this afternoon fresh from the Peachtree Regional, with 17 students and 12 mentor/parent/chaperones, quick feeding (the robot and the team :D ) and an autonomous 3 point shooter all dialed in. We've decided to change directions on the 10 point climb and are going with pneumatics. If anyone coming has a couple of rod end clevis's for 2" Bimba cylinders (1/2" thread) we could use I'd sure appreciate it - come find us in the pits, we're right next to the practice field. Otherwise we'll be making them from threaded couplings.

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Where did you find a pit layout for the Bayou? I went to their new site and can't find one anywhere.

Can you link it?

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It came in an email yesterday to the main contacts.

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Anyone know if there will be a webcast for Bayou this year ?

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We have some students and mentors who will be working webcast

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Let me know if you need any extra hands. We've got some students that wouldn't mind helping out

- Xavier, 4209

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Same over here! 3337 and 3753 are exited this year!

Also, LSU's STEP program will have their LSU peer mentors offering their help at Bayou Regional this year! Look for us with the BLUE shirts!

Good luck to every team!:D

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The audio on the webcast is in dire need of leveling. The music and game sounds overpowers the announcing, and is extremely loud.

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Agreed, someone should mention this to the audio people at the event.

I was impressed with 3753 the BulahBots, they put up a bunch of points with 1649 , 120 points without fouls right out of the gate. Not to mention two great dump and climb robots, 1421 and 2992 scored 50 points with their climb/dump in their 1st matches

Bayou should be interesting !

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Any info on the score change in match 25? It's a pretty drastic change. I wasn't able to watch it, so I have no idea what happened. Penalties?

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Congratulations Wendy!

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The Blue Alliance's discs were scored as Auton discs instead of teleop. It was just a simple mistake by the scoring table and was corrected quickly.

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Sadly 364 lost due to comm issues and not enough penalty points. In our pivotal match to move on to the semi-finals our alliance member 2992 lost comms and couldn't get to the pyramid to climb for 50 points. I did not see any comm issues until that time of the tournament. Many mentors are infuriated because we believe that the issues were caused by an outside source.

Also, many penalties were not counted. We were hit, smashed, and pushed all around the field including while we were in our protected areas. We were once pushed down the field sideways for about 10 seconds. The most penalty points we were awarded was 12 which accounts for 4 penalties if I'm mistaken. There were more penalties than that.

Just my two cents, but I just believe that we should have went on.

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Congrats to 1912 for winning FOUR consecutive chairman's at Bayou !

Bayou had some of the most fierce defensive play I've seen this year.
1421 showed that you can beat a great scorer like 118 with a mix of defensive play and a reliable 50 point climb & dump strategy.

I hope bayou gets archived on blue alliance, I would like to watch a couple of those elimination rounds again.

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Everyone is so gracious to 1912, we are so appreciative.

We have had a lot of help to get where we are, many times I feel we are the extremely lucky recipients of a great region where so many work together to make FIRST happen. If I started naming names, I would never finish.

Thank you seems so small, but thank you.

But we have lost a lot this year. Our region is "Remembering Kimmy". We lost Kimmy Melton this year, a wonderful high school senior from Team 456. Please keep the Melton and 456 family in your hearts.

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No rule against that, it's called defense. If you were able to be pushed down the field, then by definition you weren't pinned - you could have driven backwards away from them and gone another direction.

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Does anyone have any footage of Finals Match 2? I remember 1421 being aggressively bashed around by all 3 members of the opposing alliance inside its own pyramid and only being awarded 15 foul points (IIRC just touching the opposing alliance while they're touching their own pyramid is grounds for 30 foul points) bringing the final score 118-120, and had they been awarded more foul points they would have won the competition in a surprising upset (I mean, they would have beaten 118, a severe beast of a robot who dominated Lone Star).

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They can be hit inside their pyramid as much as anyone wants to as long as they do not make contact with the pyramid.

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My dad video'd every match that 3753 played except for Finals-3 (my mom apparently knocked over the camera -.-)
Once he's processed them, I'll be sure to upload them to our website (bulahbots.com)

CONGRATS to 1912!!! Y'all are awesome, and even two years after y'all helped us off our feet, we still talk highly about y'all almost every day. Can't wait to meet up with y'all again in St. Louis!

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Thank you to everyone that made the 2013 Bayou regional a great success. I was so glad I was I able to bring the rest of my team along this year to compete.

Thank you to 233 and 1912 for being fantastic alliance partners.

Pink(233), some people thought we were crazy for taking you so high but the mantra of "Pick Pink" was true again. How you are able to get things working by eliminations is just uncanny, once that center line auto gets faster you all are going to be tough. Good Luck at SVR.

Combustion(1912) what can I say. You were easily a first round robot that fell through the cracks, we were thrilled to add you to our alliance. You were awesome to work with and did everything that was asked of you. You put so many discs into the two point goal that you finally broke it in our last match. Congratulations on your 4th Chairman's Award you're an inspiration to so many teams and a big part of what is making your region strong. Congratulations to Scott Kent for the Dean's list Finalist and Wendy Holladay for the WFFA.

Congratulations to 3753, 118, and 4589 you were a tough alliance and you fought through some serious challenges to make it to the top, great job.

1421 your robot is just fantastic. I don't think it's been mentioned yet but that buzzer beater dump in F-2 is #1 on my list of top plays for the year. Nothing has gotten me up out of my chair faster than that. Great job and good luck at Razorback.

Scott, James and the rest of 1477. You have a great machine but an even better team. Thursday night you were basically an extension of the inspection crew making sure all the teams that needed assistance had it and would be ready to play on Friday, you did an unbelievable job several teams would not have been playing Friday morning without your help.

Chuck, Eddie, Amy and all of 456. Every time I get to work with your team I'm even more amazed. Your robot was so high quality this year and the innovation in control award couldn't have gone to a more deserving team. You have been through a tough year but watching you at the event you couldn't tell. We are thinking of Kimmy and we wish you all the best.

Spectrum is looking forward to next time we can come play at the Bayou.

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What evidence led you to believe this was caused by an outside source?

What rule did the other team violate in pushing you across the field?

You don't remember correctly. Touching an opponent who's in contact with their pyramid is a 3 point penalty. If the contact is "consequential," it is a technical foul (20 pt). Only if the contact interferes with an attempt to hang are 30 climb points awarded (not foul points).

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And, of course, thank you 3847 Spectrum! You were great alliance captains and always had a clear, winning strategy. Looking forward to seeing you at bayou next year!

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It was great to be a part of this alliance, thanks for going with PINK. (3847 and 1912)

It's always a good experience to attend new regionals, meet new teams - I was surprised so many teams from Florida were there! The robot parade was cool and the 2nd line dance...we learned some Bayou traditions.

Congrats to 1912 on Woodie Flowers Award (after meeting and talking with you Wendy, you definitely deserved it) and on winning the Chairman's Award once again.

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You will see them at Razorback in just a few days. :)

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The only way 1421 would have got that technical foul is if they were making an attempt to climb the pyramid. Granted everyone knew what they were going to do but they never started their climbing mechanism. A couple of team members and I were saying that as soon as they got under the pyramid, they should have raised their hooks so that if they got pushed and hit the pyramid, it would have been a technical foul but hey, it didn't stop them from pulling of one of the most amazing climb and dumps this season.

The TigerBytes really enjoyed Bayou this year. Though we were never at full strength and had issues all competition, we still had a blast competing with everyone.

Special thanks to 364 and 3337 for all the help with batteries you guys gave us throughout the regional.

Congrats to our friends 3753 on their regional win along with 118 and 4589!! It's always great to not only see a local team win but also do it as the #1 seed.


Thanks to all the teams that attended. Bayou was one of the most competitive regionals I've seen this year and the finals were the most exciting in my books!!

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You're welcome!

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Contacting a team while they are actively shooting (particularly if a frisbee is disrupted) is a 20 point technical foul, though it obviously doesn't include the 30 point climb bonus. Actively shooting is key here. If you line up and frisbees aren't coming out, it's just 3 points.

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Agreed. The reason I said it that way was because 1421 doesn't have a shooter. They only climbed and dumped colored frisbees in the top of the pyramid.

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I think that's a VERY loose interpretation of the rule

I would say that intentionally contacting a robot who is contacting its pyramid and lining up to shoot is both purposeful and consequential. If they can't line up they can't shoot, so preventing them from lining up prior to shooting (while contacting the pyramid) is consequential.

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Chris' interpretation is how the rule has been called at multiple events so far this season.

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Yup, but that doesn't make it right. I would say if you had frisbees loaded and the capability to shoot you would certainly have a good argument anyway.

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Regardless of whether or not the interpretation of the rule is "right," you shouldn't expect any more protection under the rule than what Chris described. That seems to be the way Manchester has instructed referees to call it.

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Including the call that decided the WPI regional against our favor. In my opinion it was the correct call (or at least a consistent call, which works for me), especially based on how I had seen it called at BAE and earlier in the regional, but if there is a Q&A response contradicting this I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Keep in mind that if you are being defended this way, all you have to do is blindly shoot a frisbee for you to draw the technical foul. We would have done that in Finals 3, but the hit we received caused our shooter to jam before we could.

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Was anyone told what happened during the Semi-Finals and the Finals with field communication?

Landon was correct about 2992 losing communication. It wasn't apparent by FMS lights or the log. Their log file was constant throughout the match when I checked it.

They came running to our pit infuriated saying that the robot wasn't driving correctly and that they lost communication. I believe what they were saying is that much of the movement that can be seen in the video here, was not of their control. As a robot that has driven 10 qualification matches and 2 finals matches, I believe they probably know how to drive their robot. What they're doing here is just moving forward and backward half of the match.

After I viewed their log file, I thought it might have been a battery issue (I didn't watch the match. I was in the pit cleaning and packing). Their voltage drooped to about 7V at some points of the match. After watching the video, I can see they had plenty of power to rush across the field after regaining control to hang for 10 points. I have no idea what's going on here.

The other thing that is concerning is that after this match, I took the robot to the practice field to work on vision. We were done at this point and it was something I have been wanting to get working. Well, while practicing, one of the FIRST volunteers (Don) came up to me and said that they (FIRST) thinks we have been "hacked" (His word, not mine). I told him that we didn't have any problems that match (At least Landon or our other driver, Michael said anything to me about it). I told them that our partners, The S.S. Prometheus (2992) said they had communication issues. I immediately brought the robot back to our pit and scoured the pits for their main team mentor... I can't remember his name, but I know he's on these forums. After I found him, we found Don again. Don, 2992, and I then proceeded to walk to the FTA table where we talked to Scott Marshall.

To give some background of 364 and Scott Marshall... we don't get along well. I don't know what grudge he has against our team, but he snapped on one of our students at Jump Start Build when that student asked how it was going this year. He started yelling and rambling on about how the problems last year are over with, the problem was with our robot, it wasn't FMS, yada yada... The student didn't say anything about our problems last year. I hate ratting on a guy, but this needs to come out. His prejudice against our team has been present since 2007, when Bayou began, when I was on the team, and when I had to go through robot inspection with him.

As soon as we walked up (me being in an Orange Fusion shirt), he got all snappy again and said it wasn't FMS problems and told us to leave. That was it... At this point I knew I wasn't going to get to the bottom of this with Scott.

So what I want to know is who told Don that we had been hacked, and whether or not our alliance was hacked.

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The answer to Q138 in Q&A defines consequential as "the action has an effect on the outcome of a match". I would say that preventing a team from lining up to score could fall under that category and should be specifically pointed out to a referee if it happens to you.

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I for one know that to hear something like that is not a good thing to hear.
FIRST is about "Gracious Professionalism". I don't know if this a hoax, lie, or something that is actually true, but this should never happen, and 'hacking' is not gracious or professional. Kids and mentors alike work very, very hard on the robot and to lose a match to 'hacking' is just disgusting.

Like I said, who knows. 364 isn't pointing fingers. But we still want to know what's going on.

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Does anyone have the alliance selection results in order for Bayou (ie Alliance Captain, First pick, Second pick)?

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I'm making this from blue alliance data so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

1. 3753 -> 118 -> 4589
2. 155 -> 1421 -> 3039
3. 3606* -> 1927 -> 3991
4. 3847 -> 233 -> 1912
5. 364 -> 2992 -> 3616
6. 1477 -> 456 ->442
7. 3410 -> 2352 -> 1649
8. 2080 -> 3937 -> 3164

* 1477 declined 3606

I'm not 100% sure about the order of the two #8 selections but I think that's right.

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That is correct!

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Thank you, Wendy and Team 1912!