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DjScribbles 03-19-2013 12:00 PM

7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
At our two district events so far, I have yet to see another floor pickup being used in autonomous besides ours, so I'm curious how many other teams are picking up 7 in autonomous? Is anyone out there going for 9?



We currently pickup 7 (new feature in our second district event), but due to occasional loading issues (and a few missed shots and intermittent start-up transients) we usually make 5 or 6 (or during the SJ elims, 3 shots, thanks to a sensor issue).

Here's the list so far (I ignored accuracy for the sake of simplicity)

7-diskers:
33
70
341
987
1986
2056
2474
2590
3928

Hopefuls:
624
1241
1678
2054

Jay O'Donnell 03-19-2013 12:09 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Go to the thread about 1986, they're autonomous (and everything else) is amazing. They put up the 7 discs in auton easily, I wouldn't be surprised to see them try 9 at some point.

Blmred 03-19-2013 12:10 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
2056 and 1986 can do 7 disks very well.

nikeairmancurry 03-19-2013 12:11 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
At Kettering Team 70 was attempting 7 disc auton. Which they did get on the practice field. 33 tried at Waterford and 2056 at GTR-E. 1986 has done a 7 disc auton enough times, which a video is on youtube.

CalTran 03-19-2013 12:11 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
3928, Team Neutrino, also nailed a 7 disc autonomous at Greater Kansas City, and definitely gave Team Titanium a run for their money.

jspatz1 03-19-2013 12:27 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1250151)
3928, Team Neutrino, also nailed a 7 disc autonomous at Greater Kansas City, and definitely gave Team Titanium a run for their money.

So disappointed they had to leave the finals, it was shaping up as a great autonomous battle. Those young mentors have put together a great team and a great robot from humble beginnings. Look out for Team Neutrino.

Racer26 03-19-2013 12:28 PM

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2056's 7 wasn't terribly reliable. At least not at GTR-E. Usually only good for 5 or 6 (their pickup is a single disc wide that masquerades as being able to deal with 2).

1241 has a fairly reliable 5 disk auto.

akoscielski3 03-19-2013 01:03 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1250159)
2056's 7 wasn't terribly reliable. At least not at GTR-E. Usually only good for 5 or 6 (their pickup is a single disc wide that masquerades as being able to deal with 2).

1241 has a fairly reliable 5 disk auto.

I agree that 2056's wasn't exactly perfect. They're main issue, like you said, was that they are only suppose to pick up one at a time. Though they did get it enough for me to consider it pretty good. I think they could add something on their robot though they would help in collecting all the discs, like a funnel, they purposely get the right or left discs first, then the second hits the angled funnel and funnels into their robot. I have also seen them collect discs on the way back to the pyramid to shoot.
I think that they would have been working on that during their break and come to Waterloo this weekend ready to always get 7.

1241 only got their auto working for Saturday, and maybe the later matches in Friday, but yes they did seem to get the 2 pretty constantly. If you didn't see their robot in auto, they shoot 3 discs from middle of pyramid (back) and then drive backwards to the middle of the field and grab 2 from the center-line, drive back and shoot 2 more.

I can't wait to see how competitive Waterloo is this weekend with all the great robots attending.

BJC 03-19-2013 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1250150)
At Kettering Team 70 was attempting 7 disc auton. Which they did get on the practice field. 33 tried at Waterford and 2056 at GTR-E. 1986 has done a 7 disc auton enough times, which a video is on youtube.

33 had a 7 disk auto working by the end of qualifications, however, slack in the arm chain threw off our shots in the elims. We made only 29/49 shots in auto and only 71/97 shots in teleop throughout the eliminations. You can expect this to improve for Grand Blanc.

Regards, Bryan

Travis Hoffman 03-19-2013 01:17 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
There is vid floating around the net of a local team doing 7-disc in practice.

Watch Queen City to find out if they pull it off fo' real:

http://live.delphielite.com

"FIRST Queen City Regional 2013" on USTREAM.

JesseK 03-19-2013 01:24 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
987 does a 7-disc mid-field autonomous. This trumps them all.

Nemo 03-19-2013 01:54 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1250200)
987 does a 7-disc mid-field autonomous. This trumps them all.

This one caused me to go back and reread the rules. This brings to mind some crazy possibilities for the Championship.

Alpha Beta 03-19-2013 02:11 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1250214)
This one caused me to go back and reread the rules. This brings to mind some crazy possibilities for the Championship.

If you thought two alliances racing to tip the bridge in auto was exciting, wait until they play autonomous chicken on the center line. :D

Anupam Goli 03-19-2013 02:15 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
624 didn't get 7, but they did 5 consistently and had plans for 7 during peachtree.

During eliminations, 2415 was able to get 6 discs during autonomous, which was the maximum possible for them since they started their robot inside the pyramid and in front of the line.

Lil' Lavery 03-19-2013 02:26 PM

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Can anyone who attended TCNJ confirm if 2590 pulled it off there? They came close at Hatboro-Horsham, but I don't know if they ever hit all 7.

XaulZan11 03-19-2013 02:32 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1250200)
987 does a 7-disc mid-field autonomous. This trumps them all.

I think you will see teams shoot their three discs and drive back to the center line just to push discs around or block 987. I know I would if I didn't have a ground pickup.

themccannman 03-19-2013 02:46 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
So far from what I've seen 1986 and 987 have the best, most consistent autonomous routines. 254 mentioned that they had a plan to do a 9 shot autonomous, however I haven't seen that happen yet. We've been able to pick up and shoot 5 all but one time however our shooter issues at CVR didn't help with the scoring, if all goes well though we should be consistently getting either a 5 or 7 shot auto at the Sacramento regional.

Travis Covington 03-19-2013 02:56 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1250238)
So far from what I've seen 1986 and 987 have the best, most consistent autonomous routines. 254 mentioned that they had a plan to do a 9 shot autonomous, however I haven't seen that happen yet. We've been able to pick up and shoot 5 all but one time however our shooter issues at CVR didn't help with the scoring, if all goes well though we should be consistently getting either a 5 or 7 shot auto at the Sacramento regional.

We did? Cool. I'd like to see that too. :confused:

Gaurav27 03-19-2013 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1250159)
2056's 7 wasn't terribly reliable. At least not at GTR-E. Usually only good for 5 or 6 (their pickup is a single disc wide that masquerades as being able to deal with 2).

1241 has a fairly reliable 5 disk auto.

Quote:

Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1250184)
I agree that 2056's wasn't exactly perfect. They're main issue, like you said, was that they are only suppose to pick up one at a time. Though they did get it enough for me to consider it pretty good. I think they could add something on their robot though they would help in collecting all the discs, like a funnel, they purposely get the right or left discs first, then the second hits the angled funnel and funnels into their robot. I have also seen them collect discs on the way back to the pyramid to shoot.
I think that they would have been working on that during their break and come to Waterloo this weekend ready to always get 7.

1241 only got their auto working for Saturday, and maybe the later matches in Friday, but yes they did seem to get the 2 pretty constantly. If you didn't see their robot in auto, they shoot 3 discs from middle of pyramid (back) and then drive backwards to the middle of the field and grab 2 from the center-line, drive back and shoot 2 more.

I can't wait to see how competitive Waterloo is this weekend with all the great robots attending.

Yeah, thankfully we were able to get the 5 disc working on Saturday morning at GTR-E.

I agree, 2056 will probably have the 7 disc working this coming weekend at Waterloo.

I can't deny but say we're pushing for 7 as well.

Both 987 and 1986 are two of the most efficient robots I've seen that conduct a 7 disc autonomous. Great work by these teams!

Cory 03-19-2013 03:01 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1250238)
So far from what I've seen 1986 and 987 have the best, most consistent autonomous routines. 254 mentioned that they had a plan to do a 9 shot autonomous, however I haven't seen that happen yet. We've been able to pick up and shoot 5 all but one time however our shooter issues at CVR didn't help with the scoring, if all goes well though we should be consistently getting either a 5 or 7 shot auto at the Sacramento regional.

Not us. 9 disc is impossible based on every robot we've seen so far.

JoshPFalk 03-19-2013 03:02 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1250226)
Can anyone who attended TCNJ confirm if 2590 pulled it off there? They came close at Hatboro-Horsham, but I don't know if they ever hit all 7.

We made 6 multiple times but were never able to make all 7 discs.

Trent B 03-19-2013 03:45 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 1250157)
So disappointed they had to leave the finals, it was shaping up as a great autonomous battle. Those young mentors have put together a great team and a great robot from humble beginnings. Look out for Team Neutrino.

Thanks for the kind words. We were having a lot of bad luck with electronics at that regional, a bridge was giving us trouble before our last qualifier with you guys, and killing a victor during finals.

Hopefully we can get the 7-disc to work in almost all of our matches at North Star. Good luck at champs 1986!

cadandcookies 03-19-2013 03:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent B (Post 1250265)
Hopefully we can get the 7-disc to work in almost all of our matches at North Star. Good luck at champs 1986!

Now I'm a bit scared...

I can't wait to see you guys at North Star!

stuart2054 03-19-2013 04:03 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjScribbles (Post 1250145)
At our two district events so far, I have yet to see another floor pickup being used in autonomous besides ours, so I'm curious how many other teams are picking up 7 in autonomous? Is anyone out there going for 9?



We currently pickup 7 (new feature in our second district event), but due to occasional loading issues (and a few missed shots and intermittent start-up transients) we usually make 5 or 6 (or during the SJ elims, 3 shots, thanks to a sensor issue).

Congratulations to our friends at team Excel. You guys are #1 in qualification points in Michigan through week 3! I am looking forward to seeing you guys at MSC in a few weeks.

We were the only one to use a floor pick up in Auto at Gull Lake. We did 5 disc there and of the matches I watched, we made all 5 at least 3 of the 12 seeding matches and 2 of elimination matches. Most of the matches we made 4 in auto. Sometimes we did not pick up both of the extra two and occasionally we missed one.

We are hoping to have a sucessful 7 disc auto for West Michigan and MSC.

Racer26 03-19-2013 04:17 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1250246)
Not us. 9 disc is impossible based on every robot we've seen so far.

Curious why you say this?

Seems to me like 1986 or 2056 have both done 7, and they're certainly not moving as fast as they could be.

Joe Ross 03-19-2013 04:20 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1250287)
Curious why you say this?

Seems to me like 1986 or 2056 have both done 7, and they're certainly not moving as fast as they could be.

I don't know about 2056, but it seems like 1986 would have to do two 180s, which makes it significantly harder.

Racer26 03-19-2013 04:49 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Both would have to 180 to pick them up and then 180 again to shoot them. Given 2056's historical adeptness with a gyro, I would say that doing two 180s and ending up facing the same direction would be trivial for them. Whether they could pick up frisbees, and get back to a position to shoot them would be a much bigger challenge.

Lil' Lavery 03-19-2013 04:55 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1250289)
I don't know about 2056, but it seems like 1986 would have to do two 180s, which makes it significantly harder.

Only if they start in the center of the pyramid. Look at how 25/103 and 987 pick up discs in autonomous (including the center line) while starting from the rear corners. It's possible to complete it with two ~90deg turns. Certainly for 2056, at least. 1986 would have to be a little more creative, and probably drive in an arc and then spin 180.

And then there's teams like 2590 and 1241, who could theoretically accomplish the task without ever turning. But neither has hit 7 yet, and I have no idea if 1241 can run over the discs and then still pick them up like 2590 does.

Racer26 03-19-2013 05:00 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1250314)
And then there's teams like 2590 and 1241, who could theoretically accomplish the task without ever turning. But neither has hit 7 yet, and I have no idea if 1241 can run over the discs and then still pick them up like 2590 does.

1241's pickup only picks up from one side of their robot. They'd need to turn too... Although they rocket off the first 3 in about 2s in auto.

themccannman 03-19-2013 05:02 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1250246)
Not us. 9 disc is impossible based on every robot we've seen so far.

Oh my bad, I got this info from another team member who said that you guys had figured out a 9 shot autonomous but we're trying to perfect it.

roystur44 03-19-2013 05:25 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
The High Rollers have a gimble/turreted shooter on top so I don't think they have to 180. I admired their turret design from last years at Champs. That thing is deadly accurate

Cory 03-19-2013 06:02 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roystur44 (Post 1250328)
The High Rollers have a gimble/turreted shooter on top so I don't think they have to 180. I admired their turret design from last years at Champs. That thing is deadly accurate

Their turret cannot rotate all the way around. The loader is behind it.

Pault 03-19-2013 06:47 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Our robot would be physically able to do 9 without turning, although there isn't enough time in auto and we wouldn't be ready programming-wise anyways.

Our shooter is facing opposite the pickup and we can lift up the pickup to drive over frisbees without moving them. A robot like ours could start behind the pyramid, shoot 3, back up and grab 2 centerline frisbees, shoot, lift up the pickup, drive til it hits the alliance wall, lower the pickup, back up and grab the remaining 4 frisbees, shoot. But all that has to be done in 14 seconds (the last frisbee has to be in the goal before auto ends)

I am going to make the call right now that we will never see a 9-disk auto. But I hope I'm proven wrong.

Jared Russell 03-19-2013 07:27 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
We ran 7 shot auto modes throughout the majority of the Chestnut Hill District Event, though we only went 7/7 once (like 33, we are working through some of the difficulties associated with putting the shooter on an arm). Should be better for Vegas :)

Lil' Lavery 03-19-2013 09:20 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1250316)
1241's pickup only picks up from one side of their robot. They'd need to turn too... Although they rocket off the first 3 in about 2s in auto.

They could do the same as 2590, run over the discs under/in-front of the pyramid and then back up to load them. Teams like 1986 couldn't do that with the mid-field discs, since it would involve crossing mid-field.

Gregor 03-19-2013 09:29 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1250397)
They could do the same as 2590, run over the discs under/in-front of the pyramid and then back up to load them. Teams like 1986 couldn't do that with the mid-field discs, since it would involve crossing mid-field.

1241 doesn't have the ground clearance for that, they push the disks they run into.

Racer26 03-19-2013 11:27 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1250400)
1241 doesn't have the ground clearance for that, they push the disks they run into.

They even got stuck for a whole match on an upside down disk at GTRE

runneals 03-20-2013 02:01 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1250151)
3928, Team Neutrino, also nailed a 7 disc autonomous at Greater Kansas City, and definitely gave Team Titanium a run for their money.

In Quarters 3 Match 2, we had a 12 disk auton w/ 1939 & 1987!

Thuvishan.R 03-20-2013 06:19 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1250400)
1241 doesn't have the ground clearance for that, they push the disks they run into.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1250455)
They even got stuck for a whole match on an upside down disk at GTRE

I believe you are referring to our first practice match on Thursday where a disk flipped upside down and lodged it self in at an awkward angle between our robot and the floor. That was an anomaly it was a mistake on our part and that will never happen again. You are correct in saying our drive train has a low ground clearance so we end up shoving any disk we come in contact with. As for the 7 disk auto I wont say much, only a couple days till we compete this week at Waterloo :D

Racer26 03-20-2013 09:16 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thuvishan.R (Post 1250518)
I believe you are referring to our first practice match on Thursday where a disk flipped upside down and lodged it self in at an awkward angle between our robot and the floor. That was an anomaly it was a mistake on our part and that will never happen again. You are correct in saying our drive train has a low ground clearance so we end up shoving any disk we come in contact with. As for the 7 disk auto I wont say much, only a couple days till we compete this week at Waterloo :D

I believe that is the match I'm remembering. From where I was standing (the OUT gate), it looked like the upside-down frisbee had somehow gotten itself completely under one of your wheels. I'm really not sure how that could have happened, given the ground clearance.

DjScribbles 03-20-2013 09:31 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Updated the list.

Regarding 9 shot, I wholeheartedly disagree; I'm confident we'll see one or two teams pull it off :D

rlowe61 03-20-2013 02:50 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wing (Post 1250224)
624 didn't get 7, but they did 5 consistently and had plans for 7 during peachtree.

During eliminations, 2415 was able to get 6 discs during autonomous, which was the maximum possible for them since they started their robot inside the pyramid and in front of the line.

624 has gotten a couple of 7 disk on the practice field, but as of yet to hit in a match. Hopefully we can join this group while at Alamo. It is all about the pick-up.
About getting 9, my opinion, it will happen, it's all a matter of timing. Is there enough time, "yes with a quick bot that is accurate". If someone has the ability to pick up off both ends (forward and backwards) without requiring a 180 spin to pick up and another to shoot, 9 is not out of the realm of possibilities. Can 1986 modify their current/build a scoop for the back-end by Worlds? That is the question.

Vikingtech2054 03-20-2013 03:19 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjScribbles (Post 1250145)
At our two district events so far, I have yet to see another floor pickup being used in autonomous besides ours, so I'm curious how many other teams are picking up 7 in autonomous? Is anyone out there going for 9?



Here's the list so far (I ignored accuracy for the sake of simplicity)

7-diskers:
33
70
341
987
1986
2056
2474
2590
3928

Hopefuls:
624
1241
1678
2054

We had just tested our code last night and we were successful 4 times in a row that last time it just missed picking it up but still shot the other three. I guess we will wait to see how it works at West Michigan

JesseK 03-20-2013 03:35 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Covington (Post 1250242)
We did? Cool. I'd like to see that too. :confused:

To be fair...

Though it was an allusion that was also a "that'd be cool to see", which is basically as good as a "the Poofs said..." to CDenizens. That it's now impossible makes me think of a sad panda face :(

Travis Covington 03-20-2013 03:42 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1250662)
To be fair...

Though it was an allusion that was also a "that'd be cool to see", which is basically as good as a "the Poofs said..." to CDenizens.

If you say so...

We have a 7 disc that works on our practice field (and worked great before SD, too), but some differences in the two robots caused it to not work well at SD.

DjScribbles 03-20-2013 04:24 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikingtech2054 (Post 1250649)
We had just tested our code last night and we were successful 4 times in a row that last time it just missed picking it up but still shot the other three. I guess we will wait to see how it works at West Michigan

That's awesome, good luck!

themccannman 03-20-2013 04:34 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1250662)
To be fair...

Though it was an allusion that was also a "that'd be cool to see", which is basically as good as a "the Poofs said..." to CDenizens. That it's now impossible makes me think of a sad panda face :(

I believe this is what my teammate was referring to, he probably assumed that since 254 had figured out the 9 shot auto they would be trying to do it.

Basel A 03-20-2013 07:01 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1250662)
To be fair...

Though it was an allusion that was also a "that'd be cool to see", which is basically as good as a "the Poofs said..." to CDenizens. That it's now impossible makes me think of a sad panda face :(

I think most of the confusion is coming from this tweet, which was later explained in this post from Cory.

Anupam Goli 03-20-2013 07:35 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjScribbles (Post 1250543)
Updated the list.

Regarding 9 shot, I wholeheartedly disagree; I'm confident we'll see one or two teams pull it off :D

I'd add 2415 to the list of hopefuls. The only thing stopping them from doing all 7 was their starting configuration in front of the line. Once they pop a wheel behind the line, they'll be able to do 7.

stuart2054 03-25-2013 04:19 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DjScribbles (Post 1250145)
At our two district events so far, I have yet to see another floor pickup being used in autonomous besides ours, so I'm curious how many other teams are picking up 7 in autonomous? Is anyone out there going for 9?



We currently pickup 7 (new feature in our second district event), but due to occasional loading issues (and a few missed shots and intermittent start-up transients) we usually make 5 or 6 (or during the SJ elims, 3 shots, thanks to a sensor issue).

Here's the list so far (I ignored accuracy for the sake of simplicity)

7-diskers:
33
70
341
987
1986
2056
2474
2590
3928

Hopefuls:
624
1241
1678
2054

We did the 7 disc at West Michigan. We do not always get all of the extra four off the floor as alignment is tricky but we did pick them all up several matches. I don't know if we ever got all 7 in as it was too hard to tell without video replay in the flurry of discs. I do know we made some 6 out of sevens. you can see one of them here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNTAcpugLc&list=UUDACKU0Dcw1ymo4mlOdHQbw& index=8

donkehote 03-25-2013 05:43 PM

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Team 1310 can do a 7 disk as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVsG-0DtjOI

lynca 03-25-2013 11:00 PM

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118 was getting really close to hitting all 7 discs at LSR.

I believe they hit it a few times at Bayou. But I don't have video evidence to confirm.

BradenWatling 03-25-2013 11:17 PM

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1310 had our 7 frisbee work a few times over the weekend on the practice field at Waterloo, and was successful in scoring all 7 during finals match 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVsG-...IM554Q&index=4

themccannman 03-26-2013 02:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BradenWatling (Post 1252738)
1310 had our 7 frisbee work a few times over the weekend on the practice field at Waterloo, and was successful in scoring all 7 during finals match 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVsG-...IM554Q&index=4

Wow that match was impressive:yikes:

waialua359 03-26-2013 02:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lynca (Post 1252733)
118 was getting really close to hitting all 7 discs at LSR.

I believe they hit it a few times at Bayou. But I don't have video evidence to confirm.

I saw video evidence of 118. ;)

Gigakaiser 03-26-2013 03:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1252809)
I saw video evidence of 118. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQGwMsxGxs

Dancin103 03-26-2013 09:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshPFalk (Post 1250248)
We made 6 multiple times but were never able to make all 7 discs.

2590 was picking up 7 but only hitting 6, and toward the end they would motion to get 7 but their pickup wasn't gong down... Not sure what happened. And our (103)'s 7 didn't turn at the right angle - testing carpet was a little smoother than the playing field. :rolleyes:

DjScribbles 03-26-2013 09:34 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Can't edit my OP anymore, so here's the updated list

A little bird told me that 2054 had their 7 shot up and running, but correct me if I'm wrong :)

7-diskers:
33
70
118
341
987
1310
1986
2054
2056
2474
2590
3928

Hopefuls:
624
1241
1678
2415

Alpha Beta 03-26-2013 10:09 AM

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As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. :( For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining. :cool:

DjScribbles 03-26-2013 10:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1252886)
As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. :( For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining. :cool:

We're hoping to add a corner 5 shot routine for exactly that reason, but it's going to be a pretty big deviation from our standard auton routine (we haven't done much with the gyro other than drive straight) so I'm not sure how successful we will be; plus we've got a few other priorities to work on first.

Aren_Hill 03-26-2013 10:31 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1252886)
As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. :( For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining. :cool:

We were working on that saturday morning of KC :rolleyes:
Didn't quite have enough time to nail it.

JB987 03-26-2013 10:32 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1252886)
As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. :( For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining. :cool:

987 six shot center line auto, see SD highlights around 23 seconds mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk

Alpha Beta 03-26-2013 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1252893)
987 six shot center line auto, see SD highlights around 23 seconds mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk

987 and 103 were the two teams I'd seen on video. You've inspired our programming team to diversify our repertoire. ;)

Dancin103 03-26-2013 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1252918)
987 and 103 were the two teams I'd seen on video. You've inspired our programming team to diversify our repertoire. ;)

Well I am flattered, to say the least... ;)

Our programming team worked EXTREMELY hard, and they deserve all the credit there! I can't even put into words how awesome they are. :)

themccannman 03-26-2013 04:27 PM

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Wow, 987 can shoot from almost anywhere on pyramid, and their mid-field autonomous was amazing to say the least.

Mr. Lim 03-26-2013 05:55 PM

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I didn't get a chance to see that many matches from Waterloo, but did 3161 hit their 7 disc auton in a match? I bumped into them on the practice field a few times, and they hit it several times there.

AllenGregoryIV 03-26-2013 06:22 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1252886)
As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. :( For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining. :cool:

I'm pretty sure it's far easier to defend against a center line auto than it is to actually make one. Driving backwards to the center without floor collection is a 5 min addition to any teams code. I can't imagine the center line autos working that well in the championship elimination rounds.

Nuttyman54 03-26-2013 06:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1253113)
I'm pretty sure it's far easier to defend against a center line auto than it is to actually make one. Driving backwards to the center without floor collection is a 5 min addition to any teams code. I can't imagine the center line autos working that well in the championship elimination rounds.

But you have to be fast enough to do it. I expect most elimination alliances will have 3 robots shooting for the high goal, and one of them with a 5 or 7 disc auto. This means, in general, one of the "wing" robots will have to shoot their 3 discs off and then beat their opponent to the center. If you mis-judge the distance and cross over the centerline, overshoot and hit them it's an instant Tech Foul (which is worth almost double what those two extra discs would have been).

I agree it's possible, and teams will attempt it (and some will be successful), but it's not quite as easy as a "drive backwards and hit them" type deal.

AllenGregoryIV 03-26-2013 07:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1253123)
But you have to be fast enough to do it. I expect most elimination alliances will have 3 robots shooting for the high goal, and one of them with a 5 or 7 disc auto. This means, in general, one of the "wing" robots will have to shoot their 3 discs off and then beat their opponent to the center. If you mis-judge the distance and cross over the centerline, overshoot and hit them it's an instant Tech Foul (which is worth almost double what those two extra discs would have been).

I agree it's possible, and teams will attempt it (and some will be successful), but it's not quite as easy as a "drive backwards and hit them" type deal.

The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

DjScribbles 03-27-2013 09:09 AM

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Personally, I don't think it will be that difficult to block, and I expect we'll see a few very strange happenings when someones autonomous code slams into a defender while trying to grab disks and score them.

I think the person attempting to score the disks is probably at a greater risk of crossing the center line; if they don't course correct effectively after meeting a defender, it isn't a stretch of the imagination to see them drive onto the wrong end of the field.

Selle2.0 03-27-2013 09:24 AM

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We do a 5 disc autonomous and are working on a 7 disc autonomous that should be ready by worlds, check it out at www.dallasfirstvideo.com in any match we played.

Siri 03-27-2013 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1253124)
The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Moreover, the defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over and stop, whereas the offensive team has to deal with hitting them. I'd say the chances of the offensive bot crossing the center line are actually higher, simply because they're programmed to move after the collision, whereas the defender need not. Plus, I'm not sure I'd want an outside-the-bumpers floor pickup for this situation.

Alpha Beta 03-27-2013 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1253124)
The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Which defender is attempting this block? I assume the center guy is busy doing a 7 shot autonomous, and not available for the block. That means one of the wing guys needs to attempt it after getting their 3 shots off. Sounds like a nearly equal race to me. I bet 987 wins that race against most bots.

Of course if the center guy is not doing the 7 then even if they block the center line they are still down quite a bit after auto.

Lil' Lavery 03-27-2013 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1253124)
The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Still much easier said than done, especially in the heat of an elimination tournament. If the team has some time to test it on the practice field beforehand, sure. It's probably not worth the risk if you haven't had a chance to test it before you're match-up against the center-line loader, though.

AllenGregoryIV 03-27-2013 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1253407)
Still much easier said than done, especially in the heat of an elimination tournament. If the team has some time to test it on the practice field beforehand, sure. It's probably not worth the risk if you haven't had a chance to test it before you're match-up against the center-line loader, though.

Most teams should have it on anyway. The only reason to not go back after your shots is if your with a someone that can center line. Going back helps get you ready for telop anyway in most cases. It makes sense to add it for all matches not just ones against a center line auto. Our default auto does this, currently from the back of the pyramid, we don't play in places with too many good floor loaders yet.

themccannman 03-27-2013 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1253401)
Which defender is attempting this block? I assume the center guy is busy doing a 7 shot autonomous, and not available for the block. That means one of the wing guys needs to attempt it after getting their 3 shots off. Sounds like a nearly equal race to me. I bet 987 wins that race against most bots.

Of course if the center guy is not doing the 7 then even if they block the center line they are still down quite a bit after auto.

If you watch 987's midfield pick up though you notice that drive relatively slowly while picking up the firsbees and have to make several turns and get back into position. Aside from just getting there and blocking the pick up, the only thing the defensive bot has to do is bump 987 just hard enough that they don't perfectly line up when they get back to the pyramid and they won't make the shots. After watching their video their routine is incredibly fast thought so I doubt many teams will be able to stop them, possibly only a couple during eliminations.

Lil' Lavery 03-27-2013 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1253423)
Most teams should have it on anyway. The only reason to not go back after your shots is if your with a someone that can center line. Going back helps get you ready for telop anyway in most cases. It makes sense to add it for all matches not just ones against a center line auto. Our default auto does this, currently from the back of the pyramid, we don't play in places with too many good floor loaders yet.

In a vacuum, sure. In a 3v3 match, it's not always best to be the first robot off of the pyramid. It really depends on how your alliance wants/needs to break the starting formation. There are plenty of scenarios where you don't want a robot to be the closest to the opponent at the start of tele-op. For reasons I can't quite figure out, the transition between autonomous and tele-op is one of the most overlooked portions of a match by many teams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by themccannman (Post 1253529)
Aside from just getting there and blocking the pick up, the only thing the defensive bot has to do is bump 987 just hard enough that they don't perfectly line up when they get back to the pyramid and they won't make the shots.

That might be true if it weren't for the fact that 987 has a vision-guided turret that locks onto the goals during autonomous.

themccannman 03-27-2013 05:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1253547)
That might be true if it weren't for the fact that 987 has a vision-guided turret that locks onto the goals during autonomous.

Nevermind, I guess 987 is pretty much unstoppable:ahh:

Mike Copioli 03-31-2013 10:06 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Add 469, 2337 and 3539 to the list.

Lil' Lavery 03-31-2013 11:20 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Add 2415 as well.

Abhishek R 03-31-2013 11:30 AM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Add 624 and 1477 too.

dodar 03-31-2013 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1254980)
Add 624 and 1477 too.

1477 also had a midline auto.

goldenglove002 03-31-2013 07:10 PM

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I'll add 1311 to the list of hopefuls for the 7 frisbee. Got the pick up system working halfway through Smoky Mountains, just didn't have enough time while there to get the tweaks done in programming.

We watched it run on the practice field with the arm to pick the frisbees up about a half inch too high. Software team promised to have that fixed by St Louis, so watch for it there.

Andrew Y. 04-01-2013 08:29 AM

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2415 implimented the 7 disk auto in the eliminations at DC.....and it worked :eek: :yikes: Will need to fine tune it a bit more but we are working hard to improve it.

DjScribbles 04-01-2013 08:48 AM

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Updated for all the new additions, let me know if I've missed any. The list is getting quite large, it's awesome to see this many teams accomplishing something awesome like this. Go programmers! :)

7-diskers:
33
70
118
341
469
624
987
1310
1477
1986
2054
2056
2415
2337
2474
2590
3539
3928

Hopefuls:
1241
1311
1678
3310

Alpha Beta 04-01-2013 10:17 AM

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1540 was close to a 7-disk. They hit 6 multiple times in OK City.

It looks like 624, 1477, and 3928 from this list will not be attending champs. :(

7-disk auto not a guaranteed win, but it has a high correlation. Still expecting it to be a highly valued commodity at champs.

Boe 04-01-2013 10:42 AM

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Put 2175 down for hopefuls we managed to get our 5 working at north star but didnt have time to work out all the kinks for our 7 disk routine. By St. Louis it should (hopefully) be ready.

runneals 04-01-2013 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1255483)
1540 was close to a 7-disk. They hit 6 multiple times in OK City.

It looks like 624, 1477, and 3928 from this list will not be attending champs. :(

7-disk auto not a guaranteed win, but it has a high correlation. Still expecting it to be a highly valued commodity at champs.

Our seven disk auton would have led us to a win if we would have had pneumatics the last match. Unfortunately we used our timeout before the first finals match to allow the other alliance to re-image a crio and our finals luck continued from KC into North Star when we lost pneumatics at the end of the second finals match and didn't have any pneumatics at all in the third finals match.
We found the 7 disk auton to be a highly valuable asset that led us to be selected by the second seeded team in KC and to be seeded first at North Star. I personally expect some of the top seeded teams/alliances at champs to have a seven+ disk auton & can shoot 3's extremely well.
Good luck to all the other teams out there going to champs!

Dale 04-01-2013 11:59 AM

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Quote:

1540 was close to a 7-disk. They hit 6 multiple times in OK City.
We feel like our software is working pretty well at this point for getting from 6 to 7. Our big challenge is discs bouncing out of the goal. We suspect that is because we are shooting in such a fast burst and with such high velocity that the chain in the goal doesn't have time to stabilize before the next disc slams into it. Anyone else had that problem?

rlowe61 04-01-2013 01:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 1255537)
We feel like our software is working pretty well at this point for getting from 6 to 7. Our big challenge is discs bouncing out of the goal. We suspect that is because we are shooting in such a fast burst and with such high velocity that the chain in the goal doesn't have time to stabilize before the next disc slams into it. Anyone else had that problem?

624 had this issue in their last Semi Final at Alamo. We lost that match by 4 points. Not just our rate of fire of one robot, but the combined rate of the alliance at which the disk hit the chain, and some being deflected out instead of dropping in. I did see one case on the opposite where a disk would have come out, but a follow-on disk pushed it back in.
As stated earlier (by 1986) the 7 point auto may not guarantee a winner, it does make a huge difference in the outcome. Do the math....2 hi goal disk in auto = a full run in tele.....we all have known that since January 5th though.

cjl2625 04-01-2013 10:36 PM

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9? How is that even possible in 15 seconds; that would require 2 harvesting trips! :P

We can't do 7, and since our harvester isn't really double-frisbee wide, it's kinda hard to pick up multiple frisbees in atutonomous.
But we did manage to have a 4 disk autonomous, and occasionally it would scoop up an extra 5th.
Maybe we could have tried getting the ones in front of the pyramid or going for the centerline... but still, the 4 disk auto was good enough to get us the highest autonomous score in the CT regionals.

mwmac 04-08-2013 03:06 PM

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Please add 2122 to the list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63ywq...ature=youtu.be

engunneer 04-08-2013 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cjl2625 (Post 1255929)
9? How is that even possible in 15 seconds; that would require 2 harvesting trips! :P

Think outside the box - don't break your auto into separate harvest and shoot stages. Shoot from the middle line while driving slowly forward and harvesting as you go. Then you don't have to care about how many are in your bot because they just come out as fast as they go in.

jspatz1 04-08-2013 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mwmac (Post 1258758)

I fear the timing of your method involves the active control (defined as moving, positioning, or herding) of the first two floor discs before your first shot, a G24 foul. Only one foul though, so still worth it.

kenavt 04-08-2013 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DjScribbles (Post 1255438)
Updated for all the new additions, let me know if I've missed any. The list is getting quite large, it's awesome to see this many teams accomplishing something awesome like this. Go programmers! :)

7-diskers:
2337

For clarification, we attempted 7 disc autonomouses at Troy and Bedford, but I believe we've only gotten six once (plus once in a match that was called off for a field fault), and five a couple of times. Never seven.

Brandon Holley 04-08-2013 06:06 PM

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On top of having a ridiculous climber, I believe we can now add 254 to the list of 7-disc auto-ers.

They hit all 7 discs for the first time in match 92 of SVR. The twitter feed shows a big auto score that match as well: https://twitter.com/frcfms/status/320605846356754432


Kudos to the Poofs!

-Brando

twetherbee 04-08-2013 06:28 PM

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Add 1717 to the list as well. They had multiple 7-disc auto matches in Las Vegas this weekend.

James Tonthat 04-08-2013 06:51 PM

Re: 7-Shot Autonomous Club
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1255483)
1540 was close to a 7-disk. They hit 6 multiple times in OK City.

It looks like 624, 1477, and 3928 from this list will not be attending champs. :(

7-disk auto not a guaranteed win, but it has a high correlation. Still expecting it to be a highly valued commodity at champs.

The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. --Mark Twain

FRC Team 1477, Texas Torque will be attending the 2013 FIRST World Championship.

MrForbes 04-08-2013 06:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by twetherbee (Post 1258884)
Add 1717 to the list as well. They had multiple 7-disc auto matches in Las Vegas this weekend.

I might have been hallucinating, but I thought I saw a 987 8 disk auto in one match. I don't remember if they all went in.

dodar 04-08-2013 06:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by James Tonthat (Post 1258898)
The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. --Mark Twain

FRC Team 1477, Texas Torque will be attending the 2013 FIRST World Championship.

4th times the charm lol Its good that you guys made it because you have a Championship caliber robot. Good luck.


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