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Kevin Sevcik 19-03-2013 23:27

Re: Airzooka
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ablatner (Post 1250453)
That's definitely both legal and moral. It isn't stretching any rules.

OP:
What if you just get your whole team to blow REALLY hard at the opposing alliance?

And lots. Very rapidly. For the whole 2:15. I mean, someone has to test the regional's response to an entire team fainting on the sidelines, right?

EDIT:My wife suggests paper bags are recommended. I think paper bags are a sign you're not truly committed to the cause.

Jaxom 19-03-2013 23:31

Re: Airzooka
 
By using the digits of pi as a letter-skipping sequence I have been able to decode this year's rules and find some hidden messages. One of them clearly allows for the use of Airzookas, with the following restrictions:
* They must be powered by a legal robot battery
* They may only be used on disks inside the team's Auto Zone
* The air column it generates must be contained within a 54x84 meter cylinder
* The only team member who may use the device is a costumed mascot

Lil' Lavery 20-03-2013 00:08

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by animenerdjohn (Post 1250452)
Yes and yes. No different than teams using fans in '09 (and this year from what I've heard).

It's completely different than using fans in 2009, and I don't know of any teams using them this year. In 2009, fans were used to provide additional propulsion given the mandated wheels and "regolith" surface, not to deflect game pieces.

Akash Rastogi 20-03-2013 00:12

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1250471)
It's completely different than using fans in 2009, and I don't know of any teams using them this year. In 2009, fans were used to provide additional propulsion given the mandated wheels and "regolith" surface, not to deflect game pieces.

I don't have a picture, but I'm almost 100% positive 869 has a giant fan on their robot.

PayneTrain 20-03-2013 00:21

Re: Airzooka
 
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Im sure there is a rule that we cant throw objects, but what about air?
I don't know how everyone here skipped over this bit of gold.

JeffersonMartin 20-03-2013 00:23

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1250474)
I don't have a picture, but I'm almost 100% positive 869 has a giant fan on their robot.

At Palmetto, 619 had a box fan on their's for their last couple of matches. It seemed really effective actually.

Jaxom 20-03-2013 00:39

Re: Airzooka
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1250471)
It's completely different than using fans in 2009, and I don't know of any teams using them this year. In 2009, fans were used to provide additional propulsion given the mandated wheels and "regolith" surface, not to deflect game pieces.

1982 built one at GKC. They used a model airplane prop on a Banebot 770 inside a section of bucket. Nice, safe, mesh covering both ends. I know it was in use (you can see it on our POV video) but I don't think it was very effective. Certainly not against shots from the pyramid.

JohnSchneider 20-03-2013 00:56

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1250482)
1982 built one at GKC. They used a model airplane prop on a Banebot 770 inside a section of bucket. Nice, safe, mesh covering both ends. I know it was in use (you can see it on our POV video) but I don't think it was very effective. Certainly not against shots from the pyramid.

Well to be fair you really drive your frisbees in there...they arent "lofted" shots.

But imagine it back at a full court shooter. an inch of lift down there could mean a mile when it reaches the goals.

JeffersonMartin 20-03-2013 01:03

Re: Airzooka
 
You can see a fan being used fairly effectively here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4zz8Okgk2k
This was the only round I saw it for though, so I'm not sure how well it worked later on.

Jaxom 20-03-2013 01:08

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by animenerdjohn (Post 1250490)
But imagine it back at a full court shooter. an inch of lift down there could mean a mile when it reaches the goals.

I was excited when the student that built it brought it to Inspection on Friday. We'd talked about fans and it sure seems like an early deflection ought to do some good on a long, lofted, shot. But theory isn't reality.... I was hoping to see it in action during quals but if they did use it, I missed it.

Woolly 20-03-2013 01:21

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1250493)
I was excited when the student that built it brought it to Inspection on Friday. We'd talked about fans and it sure seems like an early deflection ought to do some good on a long, lofted, shot. But theory isn't reality.... I was hoping to see it in action during quals but if they did use it, I missed it.

Team 1982 did not play against us until the Quarters at KC, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the fan wasn't "in action" until then.

Travis Hoffman 20-03-2013 05:20

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by JeffersonMartin (Post 1250492)
You can see a fan being used fairly effectively here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4zz8Okgk2k
This was the only round I saw it for though, so I'm not sure how well it worked later on.

We need at least six of these robots to come to MARC during the summer. What sweltering gym heat?

1255415684 20-03-2013 05:58

Re: Airzooka
 
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Originally Posted by animenerdjohn (Post 1250452)
Yes and yes. No different than teams using fans in '09 (and this year from what I've heard).

Team 2342... the leaf blower bot... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_K0fwDng8

Gdeaver 20-03-2013 07:16

Re: Airzooka
 
The leaf blower defense is a viable strategy against full court shooters. Its all about watts, CFM, and velocity.

Kevin Sevcik 20-03-2013 07:59

Re: Airzooka
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffersonMartin (Post 1250492)
You can see a fan being used fairly effectively here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4zz8Okgk2k
This was the only round I saw it for though, so I'm not sure how well it worked later on.

I'm reminded of Lisa Simpson's tiger repellant rock. First you have to convince me that the robots in that match were actually capable of consistently hitting 3-pointers. Then I might be willing to believe that fan was capable of deflecting hard thrown pyramid shots.


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