Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

My money's on this ^^

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

Not that I've seen every robot in FRC, but...who the heck does all of this? I've not heard of any robot that does both 7-auto and climb-and-dump.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

After seeing all of the "nothing but offense" posts, I can't wait to pair up with a Full Court Shooter in St. Louis!

I will dissent with the braintrust and say that at least one Einstein alliance will have a robot that plays a primarily defensive role in eliminations (albeit one that can score in auto and climb for 10+...prerequisites for playing on Saturday afternoon at CMP this year).

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

The defensive question is easy: can you pick a robot that can consistently prevent more points than it can score?

Let's say the 3rd robot will be a 40-50pt/match robot, with 28 of those points being 3 discs + a 10pt hang that you're going to get anyway. So that means the choice between telling this robot to defend or not comes down to whether you think the robot can stop an enemy from scoring 22 points in 2 minutes, while not fouling itself. I think that's right on the limit - that's slowing someone down to the tune of 2 cycles, or blocking/delaying 7-8 shots from a FCS. You'd need good scouting about your opponent's average score rate to figure out if a defend/offend decision is working out.

If the 3rd robot is a 60-70pt/match robot, then the decision becomes much harder.

Also, points per match is another tough metric to use: if, between the other two robots, you actually score all the discs, then your 3rd robot's 60-70pt/match credentials mean nothing.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

If you can't block a full court 3pt shooter with one of your robots you will lose. Beyond that the rest of your post applies.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

A team sponsored by UTC will be on Einstein. ;)

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

Get to work programming, Rangel!

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

You would be correct. From what I've seen, the only robots with a 7 disk auto that can do more than a 10 pt hang are you (1986) and 254. Neither of these robots have a dumper.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

842? But I think they only do 3 colored discs.

Regardless, not very common. I'd venture you're more likely to get a decent 30 point climb as a second pick than a 7 disc auto + 50 point end game at draft location.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

I'd think all of the three robots needs at least 3 disc in 3 pt goal in auto. Then you need two fast, versatile robots that shoot accurately into the 3pt goal then 1 robot that can play defense, but if needed is able to shoot. Then all three robots will have a quick less than 5 sec 10 pt hang.

To all those going full offense, 1 player of defense could change the game, at least at my regional a lot of games were due to good defense.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

Yup :cool:

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

I think this might be my favorite 1st post ever.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

254 has not yet demonstrated a 7 disk auto...a 5 disk, yes.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

'Blocking' an FCS in the traditional sense** would imply that you would even allow that FCS to get to the point where they would need to be 'blocked'... ;)

**With a wall or similar 'tall' disc stopping thing.

Re: Who is going to be on Einstein?
 

Well you have to look at it like this, imagine this Championship alliance: 2056, 1806, 1902.(I know, this would never happen at Champs but still to my point) If you stop 2056, you still have 1806 and 1902; stop 1902, you still have 2056 and 1806; stop 1806, you still have 2056 and 1902.

The point I was trying to make was that if you have a capable corner loader/ground pickup(it changes depending on what your AC/1st pick is), you turn the match into a 2v2 try and outscore us match.

Whereas, you have 2056, 1806, 2789(as of this last week of competition) you shut down(I know you cannt because they are 2056 but you know what I mean) 2056 or 1806, you turn the match into a 1v1 or 1v2 match which makes it much harder to win.

Having that one extra capable scorer eases the sting of having one of your major scorers abilities dampened by a defender.