Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

People seem to be saying that 254 was the most dominant bot in 2011. While 254 was definitely amazing, I'd have to say that 1114 was a better offensive power. 254 seems to be remembered because they won Einstein while 1114 was knocked out in divisional semi-finals due to a less than fortunate seeding and alliance selection (as I recall, they were first pick). So, for recent years, my picks are:

2008 - 1114
2009 - 67
2010 - 469
2011 - 1114
2012 - 1717
2013 (so far) - 1114 or 987 (though 254 is catching up fast)

254 is ahead of 1114 already in my opinion.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

Im sorry, but 2056 is the most dominant robot right now. 51-2, rank 1 at 3 different events, and 3-0 at events this year.

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1114 also had a higher OPR at GTR W; the highest OPR in one event this year so far and the only one 100 or above.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

So because they have a higher OPR at one event(where they were picked by 2056), they are automatically the more dominant robot this year? Dominance should be concluded by on field prowess; thus 2056 should, as of right now, be considered the most dominant robot this year.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

I don't think there will be one completely dominant robot this year. Sure 1114 and 2056 have been the best performers, but really with the amount of variety in this game it's hard to judge.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

The point I should've made is that Simbotics will—I guarantee it—be extremely dominant on champs where it counts; OP can pick up off the floor, but many, many teams will be able to do that. The field will be picked clean often, and their feeder station pickup is slower than 1114 since they need to pick it up off of the floor from the station whereas 1114 just lines up and loads.

Also take into account the biggest factor... climb. 2056 can climb for 10, 1114 climbs for 30 razor fast and can dump for 20 more. 1114 is the more dominant bot, and they will make a bigger impression at world champs.

My comment about OPR was because you were referencing wins; wins does not equal absolute dominance over every robot in FIRST, just in those regionals.

As for the most dominant out of everyone, I have no idea. Tons of contenders, probably will be very tough. Please note to everyone that I mean the most dominant, and while that might be thought to be a clear-cut thing to have no dominant bot some years, the point is that it's the most dominant, not the greatest margin of dominance from the next team. It can be very close; it's up for discussion. That's the point of this thread.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

You can make all the points about how 1114 WILL be the most dominate robot at champs, but as of right NOW it is clear that 2056 is the most dominant robot (out of the two). 2056 has the highest overall OPR, the highest CCWM, the best record, and have been first seed; picking 1114 at all their events.

You can make the argument that 1114 can climb and dump; but 2056 can do a 7 disk auton due to their ground pickup, and to some people, that is more valuable. 2056's auton is not defendable, atleast not without a ton of penalties. 1114 can be stopped from climbing by a robot that can't even climb; albeit it is a very difficult thing to do.


Overall, 2056 has proven themselves the top contender for the most dominant thus far; however with MSC and MAR champs coming up this weekend, and Worlds around the corner, there is a lot of robots that'll give them a run for their money; 469 being one of those that hasn't been mentioned thus far.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

All your metrics are flawed. They are all based on alliance partners for one. Being first seed just means they have been scoring the most auton points while maintaining the very good record.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

1114 is going to be more valuable. There are a number of teams with 7 disc auto, but no teams that can score as much as they do, with as quick a climb, and a reliable 20 pt dump

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

Yes, I should've mentioned that 1114 shoots very, very fast cycles; their human player and drivers are so spot on consistently every match.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

And what clairvoyance told you that this was the most important metric? I seem to recall a thread wherein people are moaning that 50 point dumpers aren't worth it. So it seems that shooting from the floor is more important.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

Emphasis mine.

Though I personally don't know which I consider better between the two, I think the fact that 2056 is playing a game that gets them better seeds is something that needs to be considered in their favor when it comes to dominance. I consider it a design decision that inherently and intentionally benefits them in qualifications, setting themselves up to be a higher seed, which is generally considered to be a recipe for allowing continued dominance through elims.

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

If dominance is considered winning elimination matches, then isn't 1114 just as dominant as 2056

Re: Most Dominant Robots By Year
 

Thus far, certainly. I just think there is just something to be said for controlling your own destiny going into eliminations, especially at championships, so you don't have something happen like Newton 2006. I think 2056 is just slightly more immune to this occurring than 1114.