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MrRiedemanJACC 07-04-2013 20:13
Michigan State Championship
 
Looks like the numbers are in and everyone is getting signed up for States. I didn't see a thread on MSC, so I thought I'd start one. I hope that's ok. :)

I am very happy and proud to say that this year will be the first year for Team 2611 the Jacktown Vectors to attend states. The team is pretty thrilled and we are looking forward to competing and working with everyone!

kwotremb 08-04-2013 07:56
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
3414, the Hackbots are pumped to make it to states for the first time as a team :D

It will be fun to see all the awesome robots out there again and hope we can do well. We do have a trick up our sleeves to make our robot even better. I have been to states before when I was mentoring a different team and it is always a fun time. Good Luck to all team participating.

IceStorm 08-04-2013 10:53
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Team 3421 - Tachyon TECs is also exited to be going to the state championships. This will be our first time as a team making it to this level of competition.

I can wait to play with and against all the other awesome robots/teams that will be there.

See you guys in a few days.

Rewat 08-04-2013 19:19
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
It will be some great competition and it seems talent is spread across the state. The top 8 ranked teams are split down the middle for East-West representation. Michigan State Championship finals has been a good showcase of great teams bound for nationals.
http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2...13_season.html

Joe Ross 10-04-2013 18:52
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 100 simulated qualification match schedules (with 12 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator).

I used each team's world rank OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet to determine their contribution to a match. I also used the autonomous OPR, climb OPR, and teleop OPR to help calculate the standings.

I calculated the results for each of the 100 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

The following were the values that were used in the simulation

Code:
        OPR        Teleop        Auto        Climb
469        76.70        46.58        23.26        6.90
33        65.54        27.61        30.20        8.31
2959        56.70        28.24        18.49        10.56
67        55.15        36.23        11.63        7.48
1718        53.98        31.35        12.41        10.13
245        52.97        31.29        14.16        7.76
2054        52.10        24.78        20.22        7.49
862        48.60        25.42        13.08        10.30
4325        47.20        21.94        16.43        9.31
3414        45.48        23.35        12.20        10.17
1918        45.01        20.52        17.16        7.62
2474        42.75        25.46        19.09        -0.81
3539        41.98        20.12        15.84        6.14
3641        41.92        21.27        9.36        11.43
573        41.75        24.20        9.89        8.19
3234        41.74        18.91        13.31        10.34
2612        41.22        18.57        14.86        7.80
1684        40.27        25.02        9.89        5.22
70        38.81        11.59        20.87        6.53
51        38.59        17.14        14.33        7.35
3572        38.24        9.08        14.01        15.46
2000        38.07        16.77        14.06        7.52
68        36.92        22.74        12.86        1.38
4384        36.73        14.53        15.02        7.18
27        36.43        26.37        11.73        -1.54
494        36.36        6.38        19.99        5.72
2619        36.24        17.80        11.87        6.34
4130        35.84        18.19        10.29        7.38
858        35.34        14.03        12.58        8.76
1189        34.86        12.18        15.18        7.61
2145        34.36        22.38        2.91        9.29
107        33.78        17.25        6.68        9.35
2137        33.78        15.90        10.51        7.67
123        32.77        17.09        10.93        5.32
326        32.66        15.38        13.26        3.94
2771        31.34        17.86        13.15        0.12
3604        31.26        21.68        7.27        2.24
3656        30.13        14.11        11.44        4.36
314        29.59        18.09        8.63        2.83
4381        29.32        8.62        13.90        7.26
1023        29.32        8.16        9.24        12.68
3688        28.55        13.72        9.76        6.06
2673        28.30        10.25        10.31        7.86
2767        28.21        16.63        8.28        4.17
1701        27.30        8.56        11.26        7.93
3602        26.77        10.91        7.96        8.12
3618        26.01        17.18        3.77        4.65
1504        26.01        11.05        7.06        7.74
217        25.84        18.37        6.87        0.87
280        25.18        10.49        11.36        3.49
2851        25.01        7.61        8.39        9.36
2611        24.68        4.98        10.97        8.69
503        23.49        13.71        6.69        3.77
141        21.81        1.08        12.28        8.58
1025        21.58        1.12        1.43        19.26
4391        20.57        6.32        8.33        5.75
2834        20.50        10.61        6.59        3.89
2337        20.19        6.13        8.52        5.88
857        19.81        4.08        9.80        5.91
2960        19.05        9.80        3.26        5.90
3421        12.87        2.10        5.31        5.45
548        12.47        6.98        7.18        -1.65
910        11.53        7.46        5.12        -0.60
4377        10.56        2.99        6.16        1.64
Here are the results of how teams seed:

Code:
        AvgRnk        MedRnk        ModeRnk        MinRnk        MaxRnk        SDRnk        #1Seed        Top8
469        1.54        1        1        1        9        1.07        66        99
33        2.93        2        2        1        13        2.32        26        97
2959        5.83        5        3        1        22        3.94        2        82
67        8.91        6.5        4        1        29        6.42        3        62
2054        10.02        7        6        1        38        7.33        1        56
245        10.2        8        3        1        34        7.04        1        52
1718        10.66        9        4        2        34        7.26        0        43
862        12.51        11        5        2        33        7.37        0        38
4325        12.85        11        8        2        46        8.99        0        41
1918        14.28        13        12        2        47        8.97        0        25
3414        16.96        15        15        3        56        9.78        0        20
2474        19        18        20        3        61        11.43        0        20
3539        19.03        19        19        3        50        11.29        0        20
573        21.7        21        18        3        45        10.51        0        11
2612        21.98        21        12        4        49        10.67        0        9
51        22        20.5        16        3        50        11.40        0        10
3234        22.86        22        12        3        60        12.32        0        14
3641        23        22        16        4        47        10.73        0        7
2000        23.29        21        15        2        51        12.51        0        7
70        23.31        22        19        1        53        12.91        1        14
3572        24        22.5        8        2        60        14.32        0        17
1684        25.36        24        24        6        56        12.14        0        8
494        25.74        25.5        26        3        55        12.25        0        6
68        26.37        26        32        6        56        11.86        0        1
4384        26.74        27        30        4        55        11.90        0        6
27        26.84        26        30        6        53        12.76        0        5
1189        27.48        27        21        3        56        10.59        0        1
2619        27.88        26.5        23        4        59        12.05        0        2
858        28.33        27        21        7        56        11.88        0        2
4130        30.61        30        24        6        57        12.73        0        2
326        32        30.5        22        4        62        13.52        0        1
2137        32.72        33        39        5        60        11.77        0        1
2771        33        31        28        2        64        13.69        0        3
123        33.55        33        30        5        62        14.87        0        3
2145        33.78        36        36        4        60        14.11        0        3
107        34.93        36        26        6        61        12.93        0        2
3656        36.97        38        32        6        64        13.46        0        4
4381        38.14        38        48        6        64        12.34        0        2
3604        38.31        41.5        42        9        63        13.46        0        0
3688        38.9        40        42        7        62        12.56        0        1
2673        39.66        40        40        10        60        11.92        0        0
1023        40.38        43        50        9        61        12.62        0        0
314        40.62        42        48        6        64        12.94        0        1
1701        40.96        42.5        50        10        62        11.88        0        0
2767        42.72        42        51        15        62        10.36        0        0
2611        43.11        46        54        10        64        12.18        0        0
1504        43.64        44        52        15        64        12.28        0        0
3602        43.74        45.5        51        15        62        12.24        0        0
280        43.76        45        46        6        62        11.84        0        1
3618        44.96        46        53        8        63        12.09        0        1
217        45.4        46        44        11        62        11.06        0        0
2851        46.89        50        52        20        64        10.94        0        0
141        48.07        51        56        21        64        11.30        0        0
2337        49.98        51        56        26        64        9.33        0        0
4391        50.29        54        57        17        64        10.79        0        0
503        50.39        52        63        19        64        10.19        0        0
857        50.51        53        56        16        64        10.57        0        0
1025        50.85        53        63        18        64        10.80        0        0
2834        51.2        54.5        60        16        64        10.31        0        0
2960        53.61        55        59        19        64        8.74        0        0
3421        57.81        60        64        32        64        6.39        0        0
548        58.26        60        63        32        64        6.19        0        0
910        59.32        61        64        36        64        5.65        0        0
4377        59.36        61        64        38        64        5.23        0        0
Here are the results for number of wins:

Code:
        AvgWins        MedWins        ModeWins        MinWins        MaxWins        SDWins
469        11.5        12        12        9        12        0.66
33        10.49        11        11        8        12        1.05
2959        9.65        10        10        7        12        1.06
67        9.29        9        10        7        12        1.23
1718        8.91        9        10        6        12        1.34
245        8.87        9        10        6        12        1.31
2054        8.58        9        9        5        11        1.27
862        8.51        8        8        6        12        1.31
4325        8.22        8        8        4        11        1.33
3414        7.82        8        8        3        11        1.37
1918        7.96        8        8        4        11        1.47
2474        7.17        7        7        2        10        1.52
3539        7.33        7        7        4        10        1.53
3641        7.26        7        8        4        10        1.30
573        7.3        7        7        5        11        1.35
3234        6.98        7        7        2        10        1.58
2612        6.96        7        8        4        11        1.37
1684        6.91        7        8        3        10        1.55
70        6.7        7        6        3        12        1.66
51        6.99        7        7        4        10        1.49
3572        6.78        7        7        2        11        1.82
2000        6.93        7        8        4        11        1.58
68        6.5        6.5        6        3        10        1.40
4384        6.35        6        6        3        10        1.40
27        6.59        7        6        3        10        1.63
494        6.31        6        6        3        10        1.43
2619        6.4        7        7        2        10        1.45
4130        6.22        6        7        3        10        1.57
858        6.25        6        6        3        9        1.41
1189        6.23        6        6        3        10        1.24
2145        6.1        6        6        2        10        1.65
107        5.87        6        6        2        10        1.62
2137        5.86        6        5        2        10        1.47
123        5.73        6        6        2        10        1.77
326        5.72        6        6        2        10        1.65
2771        5.67        6        7        1        10        1.72
3604        5.42        5        5        1        9        1.66
3656        5.25        5        6        1        9        1.73
314        5.05        5        6        0        10        1.71
4381        4.98        5        4        0        9        1.53
1023        5.05        5        4        2        9        1.54
3688        5.15        5        5        2        9        1.56
2673        5.04        5        5        2        9        1.43
2767        4.8        5        5        1        7        1.31
1701        4.79        5        5        1        8        1.43
3602        4.72        5        4        1        8        1.56
3618        4.69        5        5        1        9        1.57
1504        4.71        5        5        1        8        1.61
217        4.54        4.5        4        2        8        1.40
280        4.39        4        5        1        10        1.61
2851        4.28        4        3        1        7        1.43
2611        4.5        4        4        0        8        1.53
503        3.83        4        4        1        8        1.42
141        3.7        3.5        3        0        7        1.57
1025        3.87        4        3        1        8        1.50
4391        3.79        4        3        0        8        1.55
2834        3.65        3.5        3        1        8        1.57
2337        3.68        4        4        0        7        1.39
857        3.53        3        3        0        8        1.49
2960        3.54        3        3        0        8        1.36
3421        2.51        2.5        2        0        5        1.34
548        2.36        2        2        0        6        1.22
910        2.23        2        2        0        6        1.24
4377        2.21        2        2        0        6        1.16

jacobythegreat 10-04-2013 22:33
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Can not wait for States. This is big for our team since we're so young. Looking to build off of our State Rookie All Star Award. :)

Chris Hibner 11-04-2013 14:36
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:

NOTE: I just did win/loss. I didn't do tiebreakers for auto, etc. For groups with the same number of wins, they are just sorted by team number.

Code:
Team    W    L
----    --    --
  33    11    1
  67    11    1
 469    11    1
2054    11    1
2000    10    2
1189    9    3
2612    9    3
3539    9    3
 494    8    4
1718    8    4
1918    8    4
2145    8    4
2474    8    4
2619    8    4
2851    8    4
2959    8    4
3641    8    4
  51    7    5
 314    7    5
 503    7    5
1504    7    5
2137    7    5
3414    7    5
3572    7    5
  27    6    6
  70    6    6
 123    6    6
 326    6    6
 573    6    6
 862    6    6
1701    6    6
2337    6    6
2611    6    6
2673    6    6
3604    6    6
4130    6    6
  68    5    7
 107    5    7
 245    5    7
 858    5    7
1023    5    7
1684    5    7
2771    5    7
3234    5    7
3618    5    7
3656    5    7
3688    5    7
4325    5    7
4381    5    7
 217    4    8
 548    4    8
2767    4    8
2960    4    8
4384    4    8
4391    4    8
1025    3    9
3602    3    9
4377    3    9
 141    2    10
 280    2    10
 857    2    10
 910    2    10
2834    2    10
3421    2    10

qzrrbz 11-04-2013 14:42
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
WOW! This match schedule has baked in losses for pretty much everyone!

Some of the alliances would probably do real well on Einstein, too!

This is going to be intense! :eek:

Joe Ross 11-04-2013 14:50
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Hibner (Post 1260544)
I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:
Here's what I got using each team's world rank OPR, including simulating Auto, Teleop, and Climb.

Code:
Rank        Team        Wins        Losses        Ties        Matches        QP        HP        TP        BP
1        2054        12        0        0        12        24        517        680        252
2        1718        11        0        1        12        23        446        847        289
3        469        11        1        0        12        22        510        953        254
4        33        9        1        2        12        20        603        715        247
5        2959        10        2        0        12        20        475        693        301
6        70        9        2        1        12        19        507        561        231
7        2612        9        2        1        12        19        501        649        253
8        1189        9        2        1        12        19        465        560        283
9        494        9        3        0        12        18        552        510        216
10        3539        9        3        0        12        18        488        672        236
11        67        9        3        0        12        18        435        845        244
12        3414        8        4        0        12        16        450        680        291
13        862        8        4        0        12        16        448        646        286
14        2619        8        4        0        12        16        422        633        243
15        2851        8        4        0        12        16        417        541        280
16        51        7        4        1        12        15        427        571        258
17        2771        7        4        1        12        15        416        625        177
18        1918        7        5        0        12        14        496        624        230
19        4325        7        5        0        12        14        475        668        282
20        245        6        4        2        12        14        461        746        233
21        3572        7        5        0        12        14        457        554        319
22        314        7        5        0        12        14        399        639        172
23        2611        7        5        0        12        14        389        436        265
24        123        7        5        0        12        14        386        572        221
25        503        7        5        0        12        14        367        579        207
26        1684        6        5        1        12        13        432        688        214
27        27        6        5        1        12        13        419        668        129
28        573        6        5        1        12        13        390        598        242
29        3641        6        5        1        12        13        359        634        290
30        2000        6        6        0        12        12        457        625        254
31        4384        6        6        0        12        12        442        535        242
32        326        6        6        0        12        12        420        560        217
33        107        6        6        0        12        12        358        565        270
34        2145        6        6        0        12        12        334        664        275
35        2474        5        7        0        12        10        472        694        127
36        68        5        7        0        12        10        434        635        154
37        1701        5        7        0        12        10        428        535        245
38        4381        5        7        0        12        10        416        416        273
39        3688        5        7        0        12        10        415        576        229
40        1023        5        7        0        12        10        393        499        296
41        3656        5        7        0        12        10        382        563        240
42        4391        5        7        0        12        10        377        456        232
43        2137        5        7        0        12        10        375        576        213
44        3602        5        7        0        12        10        365        457        226
45        1504        5        7        0        12        10        343        579        243
46        548        4        7        1        12        9        386        463        128
47        3234        4        8        0        12        8        408        564        264
48        2673        4        8        0        12        8        392        510        229
49        4130        4        8        0        12        8        390        589        242
50        217        4        8        0        12        8        365        606        182
51        3618        4        8        0        12        8        329        621        213
52        2767        3        9        0        12        6        402        572        225
53        858        3        9        0        12        6        397        511        260
54        857        3        9        0        12        6        376        414        238
55        3604        3        9        0        12        6        365        656        160
56        4377        3        9        0        12        6        358        469        207
57        2834        3        9        0        12        6        343        472        206
58        910        3        9        0        12        6        339        447        158
59        2960        3        9        0        12        6        330        503        210
60        1025        3        9        0        12        6        305        410        362
61        280        2        9        1        12        5        366        471        188
62        2337        1        9        2        12        4        383        476        236
63        141        2        10        0        12        4        381        361        255
64        3421        2        10        0        12        4        325        423        204

Joe Ross 11-04-2013 15:05
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Hibner (Post 1260544)
I ran the actual match schedule using each teams BEST OPR so far (everyone generally brings their A game to states). Here are the predicted standings:
Here's what I got using Best OPR, counting ties when they were within 1 point. Match 82 has a 173-173 tie! It looks like everything else matches up. I used the world OPR for auto, teleop, and climb.

Code:
Rank        Team        Wins        Losses        Ties        Matches        QP        HP        TP        BP
1        469        11        0        1        12        23        510        953        254
2        2054        11        1        0        12        22        517        680        252
3        67        11        1        0        12        22        435        845        244
4        33        10        1        1        12        21        603        715        247
5        2000        10        2        0        12        20        457        625        254
6        2612        9        3        0        12        18        501        649        253
7        1189        9        3        0        12        18        465        560        283
8        3539        8        3        1        12        17        488        672        236
9        2145        8        3        1        12        17        334        664        275
10        1918        8        4        0        12        16        496        624        230
11        2959        8        4        0        12        16        475        693        301
12        2474        8        4        0        12        16        472        694        127
13        1718        8        4        0        12        16        446        847        289
14        2619        8        4        0        12        16        422        633        243
15        2851        8        4        0        12        16        417        541        280
16        3641        8        4        0        12        16        359        634        290
17        494        7        4        1        12        15        552        510        216
18        3572        7        5        0        12        14        457        554        319
19        3414        7        5        0        12        14        450        680        291
20        51        7        5        0        12        14        427        571        258
21        2137        7        5        0        12        14        375        576        213
22        503        7        5        0        12        14        367        579        207
23        1504        7        5        0        12        14        343        579        243
24        314        6        5        1        12        13        399        639        172
25        70        6        6        0        12        12        507        561        231
26        862        6        6        0        12        12        448        646        286
27        1701        6        6        0        12        12        428        535        245
28        326        6        6        0        12        12        420        560        217
29        27        6        6        0        12        12        419        668        129
30        2673        6        6        0        12        12        392        510        229
31        4130        6        6        0        12        12        390        589        242
32        2611        6        6        0        12        12        389        436        265
33        123        6        6        0        12        12        386        572        221
34        2337        6        6        0        12        12        383        476        236
35        3604        6        6        0        12        12        365        656        160
36        2771        5        6        1        12        11        416        625        177
37        3234        5        6        1        12        11        408        564        264
38        573        5        6        1        12        11        390        598        242
39        3618        5        6        1        12        11        329        621        213
40        4325        5        7        0        12        10        475        668        282
41        245        5        7        0        12        10        461        746        233
42        68        5        7        0        12        10        434        635        154
43        1684        5        7        0        12        10        432        688        214
44        3688        5        7        0        12        10        415        576        229
45        858        5        7        0        12        10        397        511        260
46        1023        5        7        0        12        10        393        499        296
47        3656        5        7        0        12        10        382        563        240
48        107        5        7        0        12        10        358        565        270
49        4381        4        7        1        12        9        416        416        273
50        217        4        7        1        12        9        365        606        182
51        4384        4        8        0        12        8        442        535        242
52        2767        4        8        0        12        8        402        572        225
53        548        4        8        0        12        8        386        463        128
54        4391        4        8        0        12        8        377        456        232
55        2960        4        8        0        12        8        330        503        210
56        3602        3        9        0        12        6        365        457        226
57        4377        3        9        0        12        6        358        469        207
58        1025        3        9        0        12        6        305        410        362
59        141        2        10        0        12        4        381        361        255
60        857        2        10        0        12        4        376        414        238
61        280        2        10        0        12        4        366        471        188
62        2834        2        10        0        12        4        343        472        206
63        910        2        10        0        12        4        339        447        158
64        3421        2        10        0        12        4        325        423        204

Joe Ross 11-04-2013 15:08
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Using Best OPR, 13 matches predicted to be at or above 300 combined.

Code:
Match        Red 1        Red 2        Red 3        Blue 1        Blue 2        Blue 3        RScore        BScore
82        3539        33        494        2145        3618        469        173        173
50        3618        67        2474        3414        1718        2054        174        170
32        2474        2767        2959        67        245        3539        154        189
5        1504        469        1718        3604        68        245        188        151
121        33        3414        2767        3421        469        2054        161        169
68        2474        3604        1684        314        33        326        161        168
89        245        1189        1718        1684        33        27        163        165
101        1918        67        33        123        2137        3688        198        125
41        469        2771        1701        2851        326        67        175        147
116        2612        469        217        3234        910        2474        178        136
126        1189        3539        4384        67        217        2137        146        163
63        3539        70        1684        1918        2771        2000        150        155
57        862        3572        494        2959        2612        1718        133        167

qzrrbz 11-04-2013 15:58
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Good Grief!!!! If you watch any Ultimate Ascent this year, you need to be watching MSC!!!

First 5 matches out of the chute, ~half the participants, *BOTH* alliances averaging over 100 points!

Wow. Just. Wow!

Nemo 11-04-2013 16:31
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I wish I was at this event as a spectator. I'll be peeking into the webcast... good luck to all of the great teams at this event!

lynca 11-04-2013 17:17
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
The matches have not disappointed so far, only 1 qual match did not post a 100+ score, and that was a 96-83 score.

Looking forward to see who comes out on top after 128 qual matches

Gregor 11-04-2013 17:48
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Stream 1 has no sound, but the camera's are dynamic and its connected to the FMS. Stream 2 has sound, but it is one far away camera with no FMS scores. I would use the sound from Stream 2, but it is about 4-5 seconds behind stream 1. Any way to fix it?

Jared Russell 11-04-2013 18:18
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1260628)
Stream 1 has no sound, but the camera's are dynamic and its connected to the FMS. Stream 2 has sound, but it is one far away camera with no FMS scores. I would use the sound from Stream 2, but it is about 4-5 seconds behind stream 1. Any way to fix it?
Easy, watch stream 1 from 1,500,000 km away and listen to stream 2 right next to you :)

Ether 11-04-2013 19:31
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
1 Attachment(s)

Has anyone posted something like this?

It shows what teams each team plays with and against in the MSC CMP Qual Schedule.

Luck of the draw.

Nemo 11-04-2013 19:33
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Average winning alliance score is 143. Average losing alliance score is 102. Median alliance score is 124. Wow!

Chris Hibner 11-04-2013 21:48
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1260672)
Average winning alliance score is 143. Average losing alliance score is 102. Median alliance score is 124. Wow!
I hear you. We're 1 win/2 loss and our lowest score (122) is the only match we won.

mjustice66 11-04-2013 22:01
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
For anyone that missed the action today. Here is FiM's youtube channel where they have archived all of the matches at MSC.

stuart2054 11-04-2013 22:23
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1260562)
Using Best OPR, 13 matches predicted to be at or above 300 combined.

Code:
Match        Red 1        Red 2        Red 3        Blue 1        Blue 2        Blue 3        RScore        BScore
82        3539        33        494        2145        3618        469        173        173
50        3618        67        2474        3414        1718        2054        174        170
32        2474        2767        2959        67        245        3539        154        189
5        1504        469        1718        3604        68        245        188        151
121        33        3414        2767        3421        469        2054        161        169
68        2474        3604        1684        314        33        326        161        168
89        245        1189        1718        1684        33        27        163        165
101        1918        67        33        123        2137        3688        198        125
41        469        2771        1701        2851        326        67        175        147
116        2612        469        217        3234        910        2474        178        136
126        1189        3539        4384        67        217        2137        146        163
63        3539        70        1684        1918        2771        2000        150        155
57        862        3572        494        2959        2612        1718        133        167
Joe,

So far with 36 matches today The following matches were over 300 combined score.

Match Red Blue
11 160 186
19 191 140
20 157 187
21 169 145

Many others were close.

Chris Hibner 12-04-2013 08:53
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Using best OPR, the OPR prediction has been correct in 81% of the Thursday matches at MSC. (Matches with score differential of less than 5 points were considered "too close to call" and have been eliminated from the predictions.)

Chris Hibner 12-04-2013 11:05
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Here is why MSC is a brutal competition: in 5 consecutive qualifying matches 175, 125, 151, 120, and 156 were scored by the LOSING alliance. I feel sad for the teams that put up 175, 151, and 156 and walk away with a loss.

qzrrbz 12-04-2013 12:21
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Hibner (Post 1260893)
Here is why MSC is a brutal competition: in 5 consecutive qualifying matches 175, 125, 151, 120, and 156 were scored by the LOSING alliance. I feel sad for the teams that put up 175, 151, and 156 and walk away with a loss.
And there is a team (1189) with a 3-3 record on track to *break* 1000 TP in 12 matches!

Just incredible...

Jared Russell 12-04-2013 12:40
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
12 straight matches of 100+ scores for both alliances (and counting)!

Pat Fairbank 12-04-2013 13:40
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Real-time OPR: http://frcstats.appspot.com/opr/micmp

AdamHeard 12-04-2013 13:43
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Fairbank (Post 1260975)
For champs? Please.

Pat Fairbank 12-04-2013 13:45
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1260977)
For champs? Please.
Pop in any event code (and optional year) and it's good to go. It does a scrape of the match results page on every request.

Chris Hibner 12-04-2013 15:20
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
OPR prediction update:

After 80 matches, OPR has predicted 85.5% of the matches correctly.

(Above calculation uses each team's best event OPR prior to MSC. Match predictions within 5 pts are considered too close to call and were eliminated from the winning percentage calculation. OPR is 54.5% in the "too close to call" matches.)

mjustice66 12-04-2013 20:45
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Heres what the alliance could look like if the rankings were to stay the same(which is pretty close to impossible). Obviously teams scout and its not likely that the top 24 teams are 24 best robots out there to choose from.

Top 24 by rank
2054 67 2959
469 2000 245
1718 3414 2771
1189 2137 2767
2145 314 2619
1918 2851 70
573 3539 27
862 33 2612

Top 24 by OPR (alliance captians in order)
2054 469 2474
67 2000 494
1718 1189 2612
3414 862 2673
2137 2145 4384
314 33 3656
1918 4325 4130
2851 3539 2767
573 27 245

Basel A 12-04-2013 20:57
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
1 Attachment(s)
Attached spreadsheet is a values-only copy of the "front page" for a project I'm working on. On the left is a match schedule with predictions based on current OPR. On the right is team data, including the number of wins each team is projected to have. Also has all the OPR data for each team. Green is good, Red is not as good, pure white is the 24th team. You can switch which teams are highlighted by changing the values in column Z.

If anyone wants more or updated info, I'll be at MSC tomorrow. Just find me.

Marjory Frosty 13-04-2013 11:25
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotic...cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!

Joon Park 13-04-2013 12:08
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marjory Frosty (Post 1261261)
Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotic...cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!
Absolutely fantastic feed. Cannot say enough good things about it. This is the kind of stuff that gets FRC out there and recognized.

Ether 13-04-2013 12:27
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
1 Attachment(s)

MSC OPR & CCWM (all 128 Qual Matches)

Walter Deitzler 13-04-2013 13:24
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
When do elim matches start up? I don't want to miss them!

jlmcmchl 13-04-2013 13:28
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Should be 2:00 EST.

Ivan Malik 13-04-2013 13:36
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
1:30 EST aka now

Jared Russell 13-04-2013 13:43
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marjory Frosty (Post 1261261)
Check out:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotic...cmpgn=shorturl

It's a great feed of the competition!!!
This. Is. AMAZING!

Dave Verbrugge doing play by play. Professional production quality. Hell, they even have telestrators!

Karibou 13-04-2013 13:56
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quarter 2-1, 193-192 (3572, 2145, 1918 vs 245, 3656, 2000)

Red got 70 hanging points and still only won by one point. WOW.

AdamHeard 13-04-2013 14:42
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1261302)
This. Is. AMAZING!

Dave Verbrugge doing play by play. Professional production quality. Hell, they even have telestrators!
Is anyone recording this? It sounds epic, but it's blocked by our school!

PVCpirate 13-04-2013 15:02
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Wow, just wow. Instant replay, good thoughtful commentary, great quality stream, and ESPN-like scoreboard graphics. Absolutely awesome.

vikesrock777 13-04-2013 15:07
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Autonomous perfection achieved by 469, 3539, and 217. 15 frisbees into the top goal for 90 points in semis 2 match 1. Final disc score of 209.

joelg236 13-04-2013 16:43
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PVCpirate (Post 1261319)
Wow, just wow. Instant replay, good thoughtful commentary, great quality stream, and ESPN-like scoreboard graphics. Absolutely awesome.
You're sure there's instant replays? I'm watch stream 1 and 3 on game day and it looks pretty standard.

z_beeblebrox 13-04-2013 16:46
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1261340)
You're sure there's instant replays? I'm watch stream 1 and 3 on game day and it looks pretty standard.
Replays on this one:
http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotic...cmpgn=shorturl

POOL NOODLES!!

Great elimination matches. Maybe beats Canada?

hiyou102 13-04-2013 16:50
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Congratulations to 217, 3539, and 469 in winning the event! That was a really intense final match. I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now. Also, can a FTA get a technical foul for standing on the pyramid? ;)

connor.worley 13-04-2013 16:58
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1261342)
I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now.
I think their problems may lie elsewhere. They put up a ton of points when they were able to shoot.

IanW 13-04-2013 17:31
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Congratulations to 469, 3539, and 217 on the victory! From watching the streams, I can tell it was hard-fought and well deserved.

Also, I loved the look of relief from 469's drive coach when the MC glossed over part of the 2010 history between 67 and 469 during the Finals team intros. I thought that was hilarious.

Grim Tuesday 13-04-2013 18:03
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Any word on who won the awards? The website doesn't seem to be updating.

EDIT: From the stream:

27, 503, 2337 are state chairman's

4810 - RAS

EI - 2604

vikesrock777 13-04-2013 18:16
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1261367)
Any word on who won the awards? The website doesn't seem to be updating.
Chairman's award winners are 27, 503, and 2337.

Event winners are 469, 3539, and 217.

Rookie All-Star Award winner is 4810.

Engineering Inspiration Award winner is 2604.

The list of team qualifying by points (if I was understanding the webcast correctly):
1. 469
2. 2054
3. 3539
4. 67
5. 1718
6. 33
7. 1918
8. 862
9. 245
10. 2145
11. 2474
12. 3414
13. 2959
14. 217
15. 27
16. 3656
17. 2000
18. 3641
19. 2851
20. 2612
21. 2137
22. 1189
23. 70
24. 68
25. 2619
26. 314
The next 4 in line points-wise are 1684, 3572, 2767, and 3618. These are the ones the get to sign up if some from the above drop from my understanding.

note-some of these may be wrong, the webcast was blurry and numbers were small.

Grim Tuesday 13-04-2013 18:17
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I find it unlikely that 1717 qualified from MSC as they are from California (your #5).

vikesrock777 13-04-2013 18:21
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1261374)
I find it unlikely that 1717 qualified from MSC as they are from California (your #5).
Fixed. Was meant to be 1718, The Fighting Pi. Thanks.

Gregor 13-04-2013 18:26
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
That can't be right, did 33 really not qualify?

Gregor 13-04-2013 18:30
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1261341)
Great elimination matches. Maybe beats Canada?
Totally beats Canada. The average loosing score in quals (111) beat the average winning score in quals at Waterloo (107).

dodar 13-04-2013 18:31
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1261382)
That can't be right, did 33 really not qualify?
That's exatly what I just thought of!?!

1918 didnt make it either, I guess...

Grim Tuesday 13-04-2013 18:32
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
33 definitely qualified, they were the first pick of the alliance 68 was on (1718's) and did better in the district season and 68 qualified. I remember there being a list of 26 on the screen and Vikes only has 24 so it's safe to say 33 qualified.

vikesrock777 13-04-2013 18:40
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Yup, you guys are right. I went back and listened to the already archived webcast from FiM. 33 and 1918 have been added to my list and I'm much more confident in its accuracy now. Sorry about that. I think I skipped from 1718 to 1918 when looking at the list because they looked the same with the blur.

Basel A 13-04-2013 21:32
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1261313)
Is anyone recording this? It sounds epic, but it's blocked by our school!
It was archived on the dptv website: http://www.dptv.org/programs/robotic...cmpgn=shorturl

Adam Freeman 13-04-2013 21:41
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1261342)
I bet 67 is really regretting being a short full court right now.
No we are not regretting that decisions. It would make shooting 60" robot easier, but it would caused a lot of other problems for us. The biggest being, it would really mess with our ability to climb.

Other than the apparent reliability issues that showed up in the elims (see below), I am extremely satisfied with the design of our robot.

Issues:
- Frisbee caught in drive, bent a drive sprocket. Started throwing chains.
- Ran with only 1/2 of the right side drive for a couple of matches.
- Then the other half of the drive chain came off. We think the output shaft on the ball shifter was somehow getting pushed pushed in and misaligning the drive sprockets, causing the chains to come off.

- Shooter jammed in the last match. Just a fluke issue that shut us down. We probably shot between 500 -1000 shots this weekend, and it jammed at the worst possible time. :(

We'll get it all ready to go and hopefully make it more reliable for Champs.

-Adam

Adam Freeman 13-04-2013 22:14
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Not gonna lie, I really wanted this win bad! We had a machine and an alliance that could have done it. This entire competition was insane. I'm not sure I've ever been to an event that had this level of machines, especially in the tournament. Losing scores of 190+ are just crazy.

It was great seeing all the awesome people at the event. Coming to MSC is almost like a home coming....just way to many people to list. Thanks to all the awesome volunteers.

Special thanks for Rob and Eric for taking such good care of us/our robot. You guys rock! Best FTAs in the world.

Congrats to 469, 3539, and 217. I'm not sure we could have lost to any more friends than this alliance. You guys were unbelieveable. If I could have gotten my head out of out robot's drivetrain, I would have loved to see the awesome power of this alliance. I will be sure to go back and re-watch your matches.

469 - Someday, someday, we'll get another chance to play together. Hopefully, that chance comes in 2 weeks. You guys are awesome to hang with at the competition. Our teams could not have more fun together! You guys are the best robot in Michigan.

3539 - Our Troy partners. If I thought we had a shot to play together, we would have loved to try it together again. You guys really pulled it together with that auton today. Just amazing.

217 - We were hoping they would over look you. We were all set to make the pick, until #2 snatched you up. You guys were hands down the best full-back we have had this season. I was really worried when we saw that 2337 was going to have to try and push you guys out of our shooting lane.

Mike and Paul - Congrats on winning together! Knowing you guys, it must have been both awesome and weird all at the same time.

Congrats to 27, 503, and 2337 on the Chairman's award! You guys deserve it.

To 2054 and 2337 - I'm sorry we had so many issues with the robot. It had been pretty solid up until the eliminations. This alliance had so much potential. I think we only unleashed it's full power once, in F1.

2054 - You guys were great. You really carried us there for a couple of matches. Once again our drivetrain issues (same @ WM-2011) ruin a chance to win with you guys.

2337 - So glad we could FINALLY get a chance to play with you guys. You guys played our fullback role perfectly. It's so nice to be able to get such a smart and reliable team at the 24th pick.

I need some serious rest....

-Adam

Arhowk 14-04-2013 18:46
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Labview!!!!

For Thurs+Fri, our cRio was having problems which was causing our auton to fry and break and our wheels to run at whack speeds which kept popping chains off. Dropped our 60Pt average to a 15Pt average. Fixed Friday night by re-flashing it... (we didn't know it was the cRIO and kept thinking it was a code issue)

Cant believe it dropped our overall ranking by 10. Our team is still planning to go to nationals though. I don't want to say that we're hoping that I AM Robot can't go, but they're our best bet for dropping out due to funding. Last year we were the 3rd sub and 2 teams dropped out. (or was it one? i don't remember :\ all i know is that we didn't make it).

We also didn't think that 2337 was going to even get close to getting to worlds so we tried to help them as much as possible to win Chairman's, and i was shocked when they were picked in eliminations, but they played phenomenally and deserve the spot that they got.

stuart2054 14-04-2013 20:44
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Congrats to 469, 3539, and 217. I'm not sure we could have lost to any more friends than this alliance. You guys were unbelieveable. If I could have gotten my head out of out robot's drivetrain, I would have loved to see the awesome power of this alliance. I will be sure to go back and re-watch your matches.

469 - Someday, someday, we'll get another chance to play together. Hopefully, that chance comes in 2 weeks. You guys are awesome to hang with at the competition. Our teams could not have more fun together! You guys are the best robot in Michigan.

3539 - Our Troy partners. If I thought we had a shot to play together, we would have loved to try it together again. You guys really pulled it together with that auton today. Just amazing.

217 - We were hoping they would over look you. We were all set to make the pick, until #2 snatched you up. You guys were hands down the best full-back we have had this season. I was really worried when we saw that 2337 was going to have to try and push you guys out of our shooting lane.

Mike and Paul - Congrats on winning together! Knowing you guys, it must have been both awesome and weird all at the same time.

Congrats to 27, 503, and 2337 on the Chairman's award! You guys deserve it.

To 2054 and 2337 - I'm sorry we had so many issues with the robot. It had been pretty solid up until the eliminations. This alliance had so much potential. I think we only unleashed it's full power once, in F1.

2054 - You guys were great. You really carried us there for a couple of matches. Once again our drivetrain issues (same @ WM-2011) ruin a chance to win with you guys.

2337 - So glad we could FINALLY get a chance to play with you guys. You guys played our fullback role perfectly. It's so nice to be able to get such a smart and reliable team at the 24th pick.

I need some serious rest....

-Adam[/quote]

Congrats to the chairmans award winners 27, 503, and 2337 and to 469, 3539, and 217 on the MSC chamionship win.

Thank you 67 and 2337 for accepting our invitaion for an alliance. You were both awesome and held us up when we were having issues. That is called team work and I think we really had that going for us. But as we all knew we needed our "A" game to win and and we only were able showed it a couple of matches during eliminations.

To team 67, Almost like west michigan 2011.

I think we had the right alliance but it was not meant to be.

To 1918 NC Gears from what I see from our drivers post you gratously you used your time out for our problem and were not able to use it when you needed it. That is GRATIOUS PROFESSIONALISM at it's best and I am sorry it worked out the way it did. We respect your team and hope to be on the same side of the window at nationals or any othe venue because you are a class act!!!

to team 67, I actually felt better that it was not only us that had issues because I felt bad about our performance and our team never wants less than our "A" game for our alliance partners but it happens and you have to accept it.

To 469 you guys are always awesome. My rookie year was 2010 and you guys messed with my mind with your choke hold robot. You carried us our last seeding match and I appologise for our poor performance but our shooter wheels that usually go 5-6 matches were not right after only playing one We believe you owe your alliance to play your best but sometimes your robot has issues you did not anticipate.

The teams and robots this year are awesome and a lot of great teams did not get to eliminations.

Wayne TenBrink 15-04-2013 13:14
Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stuart2054 (Post 1261865)
To 1918 NC Gears from what I see from our drivers post you gratously you used your time out for our problem and were not able to use it when you needed it. That is GRATIOUS PROFESSIONALISM at it's best and I am sorry it worked out the way it did. We respect your team and hope to be on the same side of the window at nationals or any othe venue because you are a class act!!!
Thanks for the kind words, but I don't think that's quite what happened. As I understand it, somebody from our alliance asked the referees if we could take a time-out right after yours between S1-1 and S1-2 to give you more time, but they wouldn't allow back-to-back time outs. After S1-2, we noticed the un-mistakable aroma of a sample dose of the magic smoke of death coming from one of our shooter motors. We tethered up to check it out, and that let the rest of it out. By then, it was too late to call a time-out or call in a backup robot for S1-3, so we did what we could with what we had.

Thanks also to 2145 for picking us and 3572 for completing the alliance. It all worked out very well when things were working. You were both great to work with and tenacious fighters. I hope we get the chance to do it again sometime.

Congratulations to everybody that made it to MSC, the winning & finalist alliances, all the award winners, and the teams that made it through to CMP. Thanks to all who made the event possible. What can I say that hasn't already been said a million times. MSC is an absolute riot.

And to 2054 - all this idle chit-chat about getting on the same side of the glass someday is like dealing with the weather. Everybody talks about it, but nobody ever does anything about it...


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