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rick.oliver 12-04-2013 15:47

Re: Winning a Match vs. Winning Strategically
 
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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1261016)
If the wildcard still exists then there is a very big incentive for a team to try to be an alliance captain on the opposite side of the bracket from the Wildcard generating alliances (often the #1 seed/alliance). Several times this season it has been beneficial for our team to lose. I tell my drivers to never throw a match but you can tell they have no incentive to win (we still won nearly all those matches).

I stand corrected. Twice ... :yikes:

DampRobot 12-04-2013 20:26

Re: Winning a Match vs. Winning Strategically
 
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Originally Posted by rick.oliver (Post 1260993)
Under these circumstances, I cannot think of an ethical (or even gray area) which would justify a team "throwing" a match.

If your goal was to win the tournament, and loosing a match made it easier, I think that would certainly qualify as a grey area. It would be especially grey if your alliances agreed it was in their best interest to lose the match too.

I'm not sure if you read my first post on this thread or not, but essentially our motivation for loosing the match would be to keep a very inconsistent robot very high in the seedlings in order to break up and to weaken elimination alliances.

rick.oliver 13-04-2013 10:39

Re: Winning a Match vs. Winning Strategically
 
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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1261140)
If your goal was to win the tournament, and loosing a match made it easier, I think that would certainly qualify as a grey area. It would be especially grey if your alliances agreed it was in their best interest to lose the match too.

I'm not sure if you read my first post on this thread or not, but essentially our motivation for loosing the match would be to keep a very inconsistent robot very high in the seedlings in order to break up and to weaken elimination alliances.

I did read your original post and read it over again before I posted that comment. As pointed out by others, I agree that late in the Qualification Rounds there may be circumstances which would cause a team to consider the consequences of losing versus winning a match.

I appreciate your transparency in sharing your situation and thought process. I also commend you for making the correct choice, in my opinion.

As I stated in my earlier post, I would strongly argue against ever throwing a match, regardless of the situation, based on my personal value system.

While I would support a team consensus (large majority) decision; i.e., I was unable to persuade them otherwise, I would be looking for a new team. I think that the example of the Olympic competition sited in an earlier post correctly illustrates the accepted view that such behavior is unethical and to be discouraged.

Hjelstrom 13-04-2013 12:27

Re: Winning a Match vs. Winning Strategically
 
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Originally Posted by rick.oliver (Post 1261254)
I did read your original post and read it over again before I posted that comment. As pointed out by others, I agree that late in the Qualification Rounds there may be circumstances which would cause a team to consider the consequences of losing versus winning a match.

I appreciate your transparency in sharing your situation and thought process. I also commend you for making the correct choice, in my opinion.

As I stated in my earlier post, I would strongly argue against ever throwing a match, regardless of the situation, based on my personal value system.

While I would support a team consensus (large majority) decision; i.e., I was unable to persuade them otherwise, I would be looking for a new team. I think that the example of the Olympic competition sited in an earlier post correctly illustrates the accepted view that such behavior is unethical and to be discouraged.

I agree, kudos to the poster making the right decision. In my opinion it is never reasonable to throw a match. Play your best every match, play to win. Your team should value its integrity over "strategically winning".

Racer26 13-04-2013 13:01

Re: Winning a Match vs. Winning Strategically
 
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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1261016)
If the wildcard still exists then there is a very big incentive for a team to try to be an alliance captain on the opposite side of the bracket from the Wildcard generating alliances (often the #1 seed/alliance). Several times this season it has been beneficial for our team to lose. I tell my drivers to never throw a match but you can tell they have no incentive to win (we still won nearly all those matches).

We saw this a bunch of times in Canada this season. Teams declining the #4 and #5 alliance captains, preferring to captain their own alliance from the #6 or #7 spot (because the winner of #4/#5 faces the winner of #1/#8 in semis). To earn the wildcard you had to make it to finals. Going through 1114/2056 to get there from the #4/#5 is extremely difficult. Going through the #2 or #3 alliance (or both) to get there is still difficult, but less so.


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