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Navid Shafa 08-04-2013 01:04
Northwest Rankings
 
I applied the FiM ranking system to teams in the Northwest over the course of the regional season. This includes the 179 teams in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Alaska.

I included every team from the Northwest, even if they competed in event(s) outside of the Northwest.

It's exciting to see the top 64 teams who would have gone to the Northwest Championship, if we were already following a district model. I can't wait for a regional championship! :D

Here's the scoring system, from the FiM Rules Supplement:

Code:
POINT CATEGORY POINTS                                        POINTS               
Win-Loss Record in Qualifying Rounds                                                       
Win                                                        2
Tie                                                        1
Final Alliance Captains After Picking                                                       
#1 Alliance Captain                                        16               
#2 Alliance Captain                                        15               
#3 Alliance Captain down to #8 Alliance Captain        14 down to 9               
Draft Order by Acceptance                                                       
#1 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                16                       
#2 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                15                       
#3Draft Pick down to #16 Draft Pick                        14 down to 1                               
Elimination Round Performance                                                       
Winning Alliance Teams:                                                       
Alliance Captain and First Pick                                30                       
Second Pick                                                24       
Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                       
Alliance Captain and First Pick                                20                       
Second Pick                                                16       
Semi Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                       
Alliance Captain and First Pick                                10                       
Second Pick                                                8       
Awards                                                       
Industrial Design                                        5               
Quality                                                5       
Excellence in Engineering                                5                       
Innovation in Control                                        5               
Creativity                                                5       
Entrepreneurship                                        5               
Team Spirit                                                2       
Gracious Professionalism                                2                       
Imagery                                                2       
Highest Rookie Seed                                        2               
Industrial Safety                                        2               
Judges Award                                                2       
Rookie Inspiration                                        2
Code:
Rank        Teams        Points
1        2471        124
2        1983        120
3        948        108
4        360        96
5        2130        93
6        1425        92
7        1899        89
8        3663        87
9        3145        84
10        1318        76
11        955        71
12        1595        70
13        2557        68
14        2046        65
15        2907        65
16        2928        63
17        4089        60
18        1569        56
19        2733        56
20        3812        56
21        1891        54
22        3711        54
23        1540        53
24        3789        52
25        4061        52
26        4579        52
27        2930        50
28        2374        47
29        4205        47
30        2605        44
31        488        43
32        753        42
33        2635        42
34        3219        42
35        4125        42
36        2147        41
37        4106        41
38        3131        40
39        4127        38
40        997        37
41        2122        37
42        2990        37
43        3826        37
44        2412        36
45        492        35
46        2522        35
47        2594        35
48        3968        33
49        2922        32
50        2811        31
51        4488        29
52        1258        28
53        3238        28
54        1691        27
55        2517        27
56        3251        26
57        4086        26
58        1510        25
59        3216        25
60        3681        25
61        4030        24
62        4681        24
63        847        23
64        3693        23
65        956        22
66        1294        22
67        1359        22
68        2929        22
69        3483        22
70        3588        21
71        4512        21
72        4772        21
73        2923        20
74        2944        20
75        4077        20
76        2976        19
77        3574        19
78        4542        19
79        2411        18
80        4057        18
81        4060        17
82        1566        16
83        2910        16
84        3562        16
85        3860        14
86        4495        14
87        4513        14
88        1695        12
89        1696        12
90        2093        12
91        2926        12
92        3220        12
93        3315        12
94        3587        12
95        3787        12
96        4038        12
97        4120        12
98        4461        12
99        4692        12
100        3674        11
101        568        10
102        957        10
103        1432        10
104        1778        10
105        2002        10
106        2555        10
107        3268        10
108        3393        10
109        3684        10
110        3712        10
111        3781        10
112        3801        10
113        3995        10
114        4043        10
115        4082        10
116        4309        10
117        4450        10
118        4520        10
119        4662        10
120        4682        10
121        2521        9
122        2542        9
123        949        8
124        2148        8
125        2149        8
126        2192        8
127        2550        8
128        2903        8
129        2906        8
130        2927        8
131        3223        8
132        3286        8
133        3586        8
134        3813        8
135        4132        8
136        4173        8
137        4175        8
138        4180        8
139        4560        8
140        4654        8
141        4683        8
142        3576        7
143        3786        7
144        4469        7
145        1571        6
146        2660        6
147        2898        6
148        2915        6
149        3024        6
150        3070        6
151        3192        6
152        3221        6
153        3636        6
154        3673        6
155        3876        6
156        4104        6
157        4110        6
158        4178        6
159        4304        6
160        4457        6
161        4548        6
162        4559        6
163        4608        6
164        4726        6
165        2942        4
166        2980        4
167        3049        4
168        3513        4
169        3662        4
170        4051        4
171        4105        4
172        4131        4
173        4652        4
174        3575        3
175        3218        2
176        3831        2
177        1544        0
178        1823        0
179        3237        0
The Northwest holds approximately 7% of the FIRST population and would get to send 24 teams to Worlds after a Regional Championship.

Those would be as follows:

Code:
3 spots – one for each of the three State Championship Chairman’s Award winners                                                       
 3 spots – one for each of the three teams making up the winning alliance at the State Championship                                                       
 1 spot – for the State Championship Rookie All-Star Award winner                                                       
 1 spot – for the State Championship Engineering Inspiration Award winner                                                       
The remaining 16 qualifying spots will be filled by starting at the top of the re-computed rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the nineteen spots, skipping over teams that are already eligible or scheduled to attend.

Let me know if you find any errors.

* I didn't apply tie-breaking rules as it didn't effect the outcome of who would qualify and I'm tired.
** I only used each team's first two competitions, so 1983's score of 68 in Spokane was ignored.

dtengineering 08-04-2013 01:18
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Oh, man... and I thought I spent too much time on CD! :]

Awesome analysis, though... it would be fun to see what a tournament with the top 64 teams from that list would look like.

Jason

Navid Shafa 08-04-2013 01:22
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
I needed something to do on the bus ride to and from Spokane :p

MrJohnston 08-04-2013 01:31
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Well done in Spokane, Navid... Three regionals, three wins - but never the alliance captain... A strange record for a great team.

Navid Shafa 08-04-2013 01:34
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJohnston (Post 1258521)
Well done in Spokane, Navid... Three regionals, three wins - but never the alliance captain... A strange record for a great team.
Thank you very much! However, we were the captain this weekend :)

MrJohnston 08-04-2013 01:42
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Of course.... Was it just me, or was alliance selection strange? Why did 2130 pass you guys up? I see 4061 had very strong qualifiers, but we all know that you had better have a very good reason for passing on the skunks!

Ian Curtis 08-04-2013 01:51
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
How many teams in the PNW were 1 event vs. 2 event teams this year?

I can't wait for the District model. More matches at more events will be better for everyone. Also it would be super cool if they could be at places with a softer floor than the concrete at the WaMu Theater, because my back was all kinds of messed up after 3 days on that. :D

Navid Shafa 08-04-2013 01:52
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJohnston (Post 1258525)
Of course.... Was it just me, or was alliance selection strange? Why did 2130 pass you guys up? I see 4061 had very strong qualifiers, but we all know that you had better have a very good reason for passing on the skunks!
Thanks, but 4061 was a great pick. They scored 2's even more accurately than you scored 3's in Seattle and helped 2130 break 180 points in QF's.

We wanted a strong full-court shooter on our alliance. We knew Alpha+ was good at both that and pyramid shooting, but they were short and easy to block and we didn't want another pyramid shooter like us. Having two pyramid shooter's often causes delays while waiting to share the spot.

I think both Alliances got what they needed and I was almost sure that 2130 and 4061 would be battling us in the finals after their high-scoring match.

We won our last two regionals with FCS bots and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :p It was really nice that 2471 was able to pyramid shoot too, because some tough defense and FCS blocking was inevitable in Spokane.

Navid Shafa 08-04-2013 01:58
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1258531)
How many teams in the PNW were 1 event vs. 2 event teams this year?

I can't wait for the District model. More matches at more events will be better for everyone. Also it would be super cool if they could be at places with a softer floor than the concrete at the WaMu Theater, because my back was all kinds of messed up after 3 days on that. :D

-47 teams of the 179 went to two regional events (including 1983 who attended 3 events).

I am also looking forward to districts. I would love to see the number of 2 event teams go up. This will only increase competitive play in our region and allow teams to better utilize their funds. The nice part about having tons of district events will mean smaller competitions, and hopefully more comfortable venues :)

Austin2046 08-04-2013 15:45
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
I'm definitely looking forward to the district model too. More events, more matches, more competitive, less travel, less cost... the best of the Northwest facing off in our own championship! what's not to like?

I guess the qualifying for the world championship in week 7 could create some logistic problems... travel arrangements, airfare, hotels, etc...

Thad House 08-04-2013 15:51
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
That is awesome. I'm glad to see we are ranked 51st with only 1 event. Districts is going to make this region excellent.

Something I do hope they do is if the entire system moves to districts is I hope they push championships back. Because at that point everyone would qualify week 7, and it would be really tough to find travel.

dellagd 08-04-2013 18:06
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1258511)
Code:
3 spots – one for each of the three State Championship Chairman’s Award winners                                                       
 3 spots – one for each of the three teams making up the winning alliance at the State Championship                                                       
 1 spot – for the State Championship Rookie All-Star Award winner                                                       
 1 spot – for the State Championship Engineering Inspiration Award winner                                                       
The remaining 16 qualifying spots will be filled by starting at the top of the re-computed rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the nineteen spots, skipping over teams that are already eligible or scheduled to attend.
Let me know if you find any errors.
16 spots based off of rank? Geez, I wish MAR got that (We only have 6 spots, but there are 109 teams in the region)

idahorobot 09-04-2013 01:20
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navid Shafa (Post 1258532)
Thanks, but 4061 was a great pick. They scored 2's even more accurately than you scored 3's in Seattle and helped 2130 break 180 points in QF's.

We wanted a strong full-court shooter on our alliance. We knew Alpha+ was good at both that and pyramid shooting, but they were short and easy to block and we didn't want another pyramid shooter like us. Having two pyramid shooter's often causes delays while waiting to share the spot

We had indications that Skunks were going to turn us down. Our scouting team also liked the combo shooters strategy and 4061 had great stats. Their team is very well run and we will be seeing lots from them.

See ya in St Louis

Yankeefan181 09-04-2013 13:25
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Don't be fooled by 1540's relatively low rank. We fixed all of our jamming and loading problems that we had in Oregon while we were in Oklahoma, and even put up 93 points on our own in the following semi-final match:

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013okok_sf2m1

(and we'll be tuning our 7-disc auto and adding a 10 point climb before champs)

Bob Steele 09-04-2013 15:03
Re: Northwest Rankings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by idahorobot (Post 1259076)
We had indications that Skunks were going to turn us down. Our scouting team also liked the combo shooters strategy and 4061 had great stats. Their team is very well run and we will be seeing lots from them.

See ya in St Louis
We did have a discussion with 2130 before the match. We talked about what would probably be the best for both teams. The discussion was up front and honest. Our team actually had 4601 high on our list too.

Team 2130 is a class act and so is 4061. i would expect to see both of these teams continually improving and they are both pretty darn good right now!!

We look forward to being able to play together with 2130 in both St. Louis and the years to come. They are a fine team and everyone should expect great things from them in the future.

Thanks 2471 for coming through in the elimination rounds... it was fun playing with you for once instead of against you. It was the first time.
Thanks 4125 for getting through your tech problems and providing a solid third force for the alliance. It was quite a ride. The toughest elimination rounds we faced all year.

Spokane is a fun place to compete...


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