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engunneer 08-04-2013 10:10

VGLNK advertising
 
I just wanted to get a thread started to discuss the vglnk advertising in the forum. While I understand that CD needs revenue to operate, I am opposed to words from my posts being turned into ads, especially if the ad is for something i may or may not support.

So far I have seen links in a number of user's posts, and I am not sure they know they are doing the advertising.

Racer26 08-04-2013 10:16

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I have not seen this advertising you speak of. It is probably a malware infection on your computer artificially adding this to the content you see.

Richard Wallace 08-04-2013 10:20

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I am seeing them also, and on multiple computers. Can this be malware? Or is it advertising, as the OP says?

The symptom is one or more instances of a hyperlink that the poster apparently did not create, and that are not pertinent to the content of the post except in a trivial sense; i.e., the linked string also appears in the post title.

Mark McLeod 08-04-2013 10:26

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I've never seen those.
Would you take a screen shot the next time it happens, so we can see what you're describing?

kjohnson 08-04-2013 10:31

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1258619)
I've never seen those.
Would you take a screen shot the next time it happens, so we can see what you're describing?

I see the links in this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115358

The word "flashlight" links back to eBay and Amazon from multiple browsers on multiple PCs.

Kusha 08-04-2013 10:34

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nukemknight (Post 1258620)
I see the links in this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115358

The word "flashlight" links back to eBay and Amazon from multiple browsers on multiple PCs.

Disabled adblock and I see it too.

synth3tk 08-04-2013 10:51

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusha (Post 1258621)
Disabled adblock and I see it too.

Yup, same. Either we all have the same malware, or there is actually a forum plugin installed that's doing this.

Can we get an official word from a mod or admin?

Racer26 08-04-2013 10:57

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Using Chrome 26.0, I don't see them. No adblock installed (however, I AM behind my corporate firewall).

Teamcodeorange 08-04-2013 11:07

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
After disabling AdBlock I don't see anything abnormal.

engunneer 08-04-2013 11:46

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nukemknight (Post 1258620)
I see the links in this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115358

The word "flashlight" links back to eBay and Amazon from multiple browsers on multiple PCs.

the word flashlight in your post is even being turned into a link (ebay and amazon too, if you didn't link them, the forum did). Incidentally, I am not making them a link here either.

It must be a forum plugin. The source contains:
Code:

<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//cdn.viglink.com/api/vglnk.js"></script>
So far I have not seen them in threads where you are linking into a post, but only in threads arrived by the main topic link.

Racer26 08-04-2013 12:13

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1258645)
It must be a forum plugin. The source contains:
Code:

<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//cdn.viglink.com/api/vglnk.js"></script>
So far I have not seen them in threads where you are linking into a post, but only in threads arrived by the main topic link.

Can't be so quick to be sure of this. Malware on your machine could be injecting that code.

Interesting. I see the js call to viglink.com in my source provided by the server, but I don't see the phantom links.

Joe Ross 08-04-2013 12:22

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Ghostery also blocks the links from showing up, but the source still shows the vglnk code.

Racer26 08-04-2013 12:39

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
My office machine (where I am right now), is behind a Watchguard Firebox X, and runs TRENDmicro's antivirus software. Does not have Adblock Plus, Ghostery, or any other similar adware blocking stuff.

Remote desktop'ing to my server at home, which runs no antivirus, and sits behind a NAT only, I see the viglinks, (its Windows Server 2003 R2, running Chrome 25.0/26.0).

I think I've revised my theory to being that it IS a forum addon, but that it is blocked by some blocking software/hardware.

synth3tk 08-04-2013 12:41

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I'm on Chrome 26.0 now and having no issues accessing CD. Just the same old JS issues that have been present for a while now.

I wonder when they added this VIGLNK plugin?

Mark McLeod 08-04-2013 12:43

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I'm apparently immune.

I see nothing in the page source.

Whippet 08-04-2013 13:59

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Just started getting this a few minutes ago. It annoys me, since normally people hyperlink single words to show examples of what they're saying, so I click them. I hope this is not a permanent feature.

Racer26 08-04-2013 14:58

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I noticed from my remote desktop session that unlike the other hotlinking adwords I've seen before (which appeared in green and double underlined, clearly different from an ordinary hyperlink), these viglinks appear to be ordinary links, indistinguishable from ones intentionally added by the post maker. This is a PROBLEM.

Brandon Martus 08-04-2013 15:35

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
We enabled this late last week to see if it would provide some extra money for operating costs behind the scenes. I was unaware they would link random words -- I was under the impression it would just add some affiliate tracking to existing sites that provide referral-based revenue. (amazon, etc.)

I've disabled it temporarily until I can figure out how to prevent that from happening.

engunneer 08-04-2013 16:01

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Thanks for the quick response on this.

I think their only option (based on reading their website) is to modify your existing content looking for linkable words (reading their js is somewhat interesting).

I am curious how their model works, since it sounds like you would pay them a portion of the revenue generated from the affiliate marketing. How much was CD looking at generating, and how much does the js Linker take?

synth3tk 08-04-2013 17:19

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Thanks for the response, Brandon.

Looking at their site, they offer a few different versions/products. I'm guessing you wanted the one that adds a referral to links that the user posted (such as Amazon), and not forcibly add the links programmatically (like we were experiencing).

engunneer 22-04-2013 12:06

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
The return of VGLNK, but in a new form.

If you "copy link address" on a link, then paste it into something like an email, viglink inserts itself in between and the js adds a bunch of *** to the link you are trying to copy. :mad:

I have been refusing to block any ads or js on CD, but I may start doing so for vglnk.

does CD actually make any money from this? Does this cost any money for them to set up?

Billfred 22-04-2013 17:49

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I haven't seen any instances of it myself, but then I'm also a paid supporter (you can be too!) and a moderator. Not sure how that affects things.

synth3tk 23-04-2013 01:23

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=12

I mean, they've got to make money somehow. Unless you'll be generous-enough to pay the bills (and I'm assuming it's one heck of a bill). If you have any suggestions on how they can make money unobtrusively, feel free to bring it up.

engunneer 23-04-2013 10:14

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1266457)
I haven't seen any instances of it myself, but then I'm also a paid supporter (you can be too!) and a moderator. Not sure how that affects things.

I am now a paid supported as well. (2 yr)

My question is if vglnk is actually generating much revenue, and roughly how much?

I'm not against advertising. I am against having my content modified by the forum.

Incidentally, If i copy a link from your sig, it gets 3000% longer (and not email friendly). Can we request that this be turned off for paid supporters along with the other advertising?

Tungrus 23-04-2013 11:37

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Nope no ads on my machine, both in Chrome and IE.

Whippet 23-04-2013 14:56

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1266241)
The return of VGLNK, but in a new form.

If you "copy link address" on a link, then paste it into something like an email, viglink inserts itself in between and the js adds a bunch of *** to the link you are trying to copy. :mad:

On my MacBook pro on Safari, I was not able to replicate the issue. Has it been removed already?

Gregor 23-04-2013 15:39

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I'm not seeing it, with or without adblock, on Safari and Chrome on OSX, and on IE and Chrome in Windows.

jwallace15 23-04-2013 15:44

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nukemknight (Post 1258620)
The word "flashlight" links back to eBay and Amazon from multiple browsers on multiple PCs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus (Post 1258779)
I was unaware they would link random words -- I was under the impression it would just add some affiliate tracking to existing sites that provide referral-based revenue. (amazon, etc.)

Yeah. It's called a hyperlink.

I was trying to show a good flashlight to use for targeting.

Sorry for upsetting you all. Like I said, I was just trying to help. :(

engunneer 23-04-2013 20:18

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jwallace15 (Post 1266829)
Yeah. It's called a hyperlink.

I was trying to show a good flashlight to use for targeting.

Sorry for upsetting you all. Like I said, I was just trying to help. :(

You were linking to a real one. Many other posts had random words linked.

jwallace15 23-04-2013 20:21

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1266944)
You were linking to a real one. Many other posts had random words linked.

Then I guess I just didn't see it. I haven't seen this in any thread before.

Since someone linked the thread I posted a link on, I assumed you were talking
about me.

Sorry.

engunneer 24-04-2013 00:27

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jwallace15 (Post 1266946)
Then I guess I just didn't see it. I haven't seen this in any thread before.

Since someone linked the thread I posted a link on, I assumed you were talking
about me.

Sorry.

they turned off the auto linking. If I recall, it made about 4 extra links in your post. No worries about legitimate links.

Tristan Lall 05-05-2013 23:19

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
It's now messing with my ability to copy actual URLs in Chrome, and that's unacceptable. The solution (which presumably doesn't earn ChiefDelphi any money) is this: http://www.viglink.com/opt-out.

synth3tk 06-05-2013 20:12

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
I really don't want to do that, but it is pretty intrusive. I don't mind banner ads (I disabled my AdBlocker). Vglink just gets in the way in all the wrong ways.

yash101 15-10-2013 00:36

Re: VGLNK advertising
 
Kind of off topic, but on my facebook, whenever I send a link with a nonstandard port, typically over 1024, it changes the link to a port, 80.


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