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The part I'm surprised by is that MSC is SO much more competitive than MAR.

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IRI is insane. You need to be there to see it.

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I wonder if this has anything to do with how many MAR teams turned down their MAR Championship invitation, as they qualified at a regional? I don't think MSC had any teams turn down that invitation.

Quick note:
A team from the Upper Peninsula (at least a 10 hour drive) found out on Tuesday that they qualified for MSC. They were able to pay and organize in time to be there Thursday morning. They passed inspection quickly. I haven't had time to look up how they did, but I was so excited that they made the effort to come down for the event. What an awesome experience for their team!

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IRI, no doubt.

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Unfortunately Team 216 had to turn down the invitation to states. Our robots were still making their way through customs after competing as a finalist at the Western Canada Regional in Alberta. If there was any way for us to have attended, we would have!! So sad that we had to miss this crazy Championship! :(

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857 ranked 56th, with a 4-8-0 record. It's about a 9 hour drive to MSC for them, and they probably encountered at least a little snow somewhere along the way (either on the way there or on the return trip).

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I remember when we competed at Waterloo this year and seeing the high scores, worlds highest average winning score, and how competitive almost every team was. Watching MSC blew that out of the water. MSC was just insane. I don't see Champs Quals being higher but elims will be probably 150-175 Average Winning Score.
IRI is IRI. That is all.

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It doesn't seem that MSC has a necessarily tighter grouping, just that it's mean shifted up by about 20. That's something I'd expect when you've created a performance filter on teams.

Compare that to the Championship event, where each regional produces 6 invitations; where 2 of the invitations are filled by the 2 most competitive teams and the other 4 aren't necessarily; unless the event was deep and the 20 something pick was still a good robot.

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Also. STOP CALLING IT NATIONALS! Doesn't World Championship have a stronger ring to it anyway?

Its an international competition, and it hasn't been called nationals since 2002, when the Canadian Regional (now Greater Toronto West) started 11 years ago. In the time since, there is now 6 regionals (5 in Canada and 1 in Israel) that happen on international soil, and others in the works (AFAIK Australia and Mexico are on the fast track). 234 International teams (of 2538 registered teams in 2013 [9.2%]) representing 15 countries compete in FRC. To call FIRST Championship "Nationals" makes us feel like we don't exist.

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One of my pet peeves too, although I generally just cringe and deal with it.

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Don't.

You can't expect anything to change if you're not going to step up and try to make that change. Even if that means calling out everyone you see/hear making that mistake. As Racer26 pointed out, it's been a WORLD Championship for over a decade. As a community, we have no excuse for continuing to call it nationals.

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Mr. Zondag,

Thanks for the information on the signal noise ratio, I will be showing my students tomorrow. It reminds me of Cp and Cpk in determining process capability, but with those you have upper and lower spec limits to base off of. Here we don't so I'm glad to know a way to "judge" the equality of the competitors.

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Isn't higher score means poor defense? If you watch some of the matches you see robots hurrying like mouse scurrying with a cheese bit!

Hats off to the drivers! Do the experience carpal tunnel syndrome?::rtm::

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Check out the elimination matches. While the quals are usually an offensive burst by all teams, eliminations is where defense usually shines. I don't think anyone normally tries to play defense during the quals unless you're in MAR, a defense heavy region.

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This kind of reminds me of the Sharp ratio for portfolio selection. So FIRST is relevant to engineering, sports, and now economics!


Also there were a total of four FiM teams that turned down MSC; 216, 1596, 94, and 815. Don't know anything about MAR. 216 has already stated that they were stuck in international shipping. I'd be interesting to see if any of the other 3 teams had nonfinancial reasons for not attending.