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EricLeifermann 17-04-2013 13:53
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donovan0217 (Post 1263352)
This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?
They could and if they don't get the teams I can see them doing it. I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...

FIRST can't make teams go and they can't start telling teams they can't go now they've signed up, to make the divisions "equal". No body complains that each regional/district has different amounts of teams. As long as each division got the same # of matches I don't have a problem with uneven team counts in the divisions.

Donovan0217 17-04-2013 13:55
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1263355)
They could and if they don't get the teams I can see them doing it. I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...

FIRST can't make teams go and they can't start telling teams they can't go now they've signed up, to make the divisions "equal". No body complains that each regional/district has different amounts of teams. As long as each division got the same # of matches I don't have a problem with uneven team counts in the divisions.
Personally i have no problem with it either, but i was unsure of if FIRST would have a problem with that. It would make the most sense, because getting two more teams to attend is a lot easier than 14 on this short notice.

PayneTrain 17-04-2013 13:56
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donovan0217 (Post 1263352)
This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?
The championship event is a meta-game of inches. People will complain about unbalanced/unequal divisions, whether you think it's silly or not.

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1263354)
Planning ahead is not unreasonable. A number of teams scheduled their trip to the Championship months ago, having no idea if they'd actually be going. It's easier to cancel a school field trip at the last minute than to try to get one approved on short notice.
That's a fair point. If both sides planned ahead, there would be less of a scramble altogether.

Hallry 17-04-2013 13:57
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1263355)
I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate

Boe 17-04-2013 13:57
Re: championship divisions?
 
also i would think anyone going must have thier robot shipped by thursday at the latest, unless FIRST allowed them to transport it themselves. 3130 a friend of my team got in on the wait list. They got a call monday night and had until 11am on tuesday to say yes or no. Just to add some context of how long you have to decide

jblay 17-04-2013 14:03
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1263359)
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate
But I need it.

XaulZan11 17-04-2013 14:03
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1263359)
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate
It take a long time to pre-scout 100 teams...

Back in 2010, I believe 1732 added an autonomous mode to block 469 from the tunnel after the divisions were released. This year, I could see teams building a tall FCS-blocker if they find themselves in a division with some of the best tall FCS.

Koko Ed 17-04-2013 14:04
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1263359)
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate
Fantasy FIRST drafts.

PayneTrain 17-04-2013 14:05
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1263359)
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate
I don't need it.

Donovan0217 17-04-2013 14:05
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1263366)
It take a long time to pre-scout 100 teams...

Back in 2010, I believe 1732 added an autonomous mode to block 469 from the tunnel after the divisions were released. This year, I could see teams building a tall FCS-blocker if they find themselves in a division with some of the best tall FCS.
While that may help a bit to have it early, it really only takes $5 in pool noodles and 10 minutes to make an efficient FCS blocker...

Siri 17-04-2013 14:07
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Donovan0217 (Post 1263369)
While that may help a bit to have it early, it really only takes $5 in pool noodles and 10 minutes to make an efficient FCS blocker...
Not if you want it to move...

Donovan0217 17-04-2013 14:11
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1263370)
Not if you want it to move...
Fair enough. I definately agree that it can help knowing who is in your division early on, especially with 100 teams in it, i was also just trying to show the other side.

Stephen.Yanczura 17-04-2013 14:14
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Banderoonies (Post 1263346)
We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week
Hi Sandy ;)

Don't you have some work to do?!

Banderoonies 17-04-2013 14:18
Re: championship divisions?
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen.Yanczura (Post 1263376)
Hi Sandy ;)

Don't you have some work to do?!
Um.....yes? as you can see, I"m not getting much done at work :(

Banderoonies 17-04-2013 14:20
Re: championship divisions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1263359)
Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate
pre-scouting need for sure...but more so for me it's just the anticipation, the not knowing that drives me nuts :)


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