championship divisions?
 

when do the lists for divisions come out

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In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)

In 2011, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (6 days after the end of the last regionals)

In 2012, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).

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I'm going to go through at least 3 keyboards this week.

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Once your F5 key wears out, just replace it with a different F key!

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Why? By hitting F5, or because you sprayed some drink across it when you laughed after seeing 148's web page?

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True, it's not like I ever use F6 anyway.

F5.

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For curiosity, what was different about 2011 that let them do them so much earlier?

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Registration for Champs closes at 9:00 AM tuesday. So I would expect tuesday afternoon to wednesday night.

Source: http://www.firstinmichigan.org/FRC_2...Supplement.pdf

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That is for the state championship (MSC).

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The last page states that teams that qualify from Michigan must register at the aforementioned time.

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Regardless of the document, registration for St. Louis CMP closes the Tuesday after the event you qualify in. I'd factor in one more day for teams that get in off the wait list or a ranking team that qualifies from Michigan due to another team that does qualify choosing not to go.

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The email we got from FIRST 2 hours ago says we have until Tuesday at 5:00PM.

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Ok, I was just going off of what I saw. I would guess that means at least midday wednesday for a list then.

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Championship moved a week later that year and there was no Week 7, which game teams an extra week to prepare.

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Since I cache all the results locally to reduce the number of times I need to query the FIRST website, I added a new feature this year. Once the divisions are released, it will display the team lists for each of the divisions like this (screenshot uses 2012 team lists). The team numbers will be links to The Blue Alliance pages.

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How are divisions determined? Is it random?

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I am 99.99999999% sure divisions are random

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Nobody really knows. Used to be fairly simple: sort the teams by number, then every fourth one is in the same division (1, 5, 9 in Archimedes, for example). A few years ago, they scrambled it so well that nobody could predict the divisions. And nobody's stepped up and said they've figured out the divisions before they were released since then.

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Seems like random assignment. (Though it seems that 1986, Team Titanium, is tied to the Curie Curse :rolleyes:)

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Still super excited to see who is going to be in the same division together x3 It's gonna be really fun to watch all these teams duke it out in a few days :D And to the person who made this website (http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/) You are amazing! <3

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So I went on the FIRST Championship site and this is what I found. Is it a trick?

:yikes:

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If you click on those Division Team Lists, it brings you to last years'. So yes, it is a trick :p

*Also, if you click on the 2013 Team List, that just brings you to all of the teams currently signed up for World Champs this year, not separated into any divisions.

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The guy behind FRC Megaphone has created a division notifier!

Only one team per phone #, so choose wisely - but then you'll be texted as soon as divisions are released!

http://divisions.frcmega.com/

Side note - If you don't already use FRCMega, you should for Championship (FRCMega.com) - I have used it almost every week to follow friends' teams, and it works like a charm.

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Hallry,

Thanks for the confirmation. I did notice that 340 (who is not attending this year) was on the Newton Division. I thought it was too good to be true!

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Yep, I fell for that trick last year. got all excited for nothing :(
It will come out tomorrow I bet :)

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It probably won't come out until Wednesday at the earliest, seeing as they are still pulling teams off the waitlist today.

#GOGOGO

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Do you get spam messages at all? I just signed up today and I have already gotten 2 spam texts about iPhone 6's...

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I'm pretty sure they don't send spam. All my friends and I use the service and we haven't gotten any spam. It might be from something else.

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Spam? What year is it...?

No, Megaphone and Division Notifier (or any other FRC service I build in the future) won't send you spam text messages, and your phone number will never be given out to anyone. I build these services for the community, not to sell phone numbers.

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Yea, you know, SPAM, 180? haha, yea what I meant was were the numbers given out somehow? I didn't think that you would do that to us, it was just odd that just an hour after I signed up I started getting texts about testing iPhone 6's and stuff.

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We're not those kind of S.P.A.M.mers, I swear! :D

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Yeah, Zach definitely wouldn't sell phone numbers.

People from 2337 are notably responsible and gracious (at least to me).

After all, they did win an MSC Chairman's Award :)

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I've been using megaphone all season and have had no issues. That only happens when numbers are sold to third parties.

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They don't... if they do I'm rescinding my statement that Zach is awesome. And possibly swapping his diet coke out for a diet pepsi at Champs... maybe I'll go all the way to generic diet soda. mwhahah

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Above me is the face of pure evil.

Love the service. Too bad I can't add top 1% teams to the service to know exactly how to cower in fear, but it's cool.

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hmmm....from the usfirst.org web page

I guess we're getting close?

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Did anyone else see the thread titled "Championships!!!" and instantly refresh http://aredivisionsoutyet.com/

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Maybe......:rolleyes:

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Is anybody else unable to get to the FIRST site?

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I believe HQ's target is 408 FRC teams this year. As of this post, TIMS is returning that only 393 teams are registered for championships. If they were to release divisions now it would be... highly unexpected.

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I think your right, i can't wait its taking to long! :eek:

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Still only 393 teams registered.

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I'm not able to get in.

PDOException: SQLSTATE[00000] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167 of /var/www/html/includes/lock.inc).

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394 now. I highly doubt we'll get the division list until we get all 408 teams in TIMS.

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408? Where'd you get that number?

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Volunteer information disseminated a layout of America's Center with 102 teams in each division.

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anyone get in yet? I still can't

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Back up

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sits quietly in study hall killing the f5 button on my computer ;)

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I got in but no divisions yet...

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i got back in to also, and no divisions thats dissapointing

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I''m with you. In a meeting, cant concentrate.... all I can do is F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

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102 per division also makes it a 17 match cycle count and no need for surrogate matches, if you went less teams you would have to go down to 96 teams(384 total teams) in each division to not need surrogate matches. We also don't have space for 432 teams (108 teams in each division)

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We may be waiting forever for them to hit 408. The number seems to be creeping up slowly. Not many can plan a trip and get their school boards to approve it in only one week

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not to mention ship the robot in time....

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I will say that HQ not following the removal of merit bids from the pool by Week 2 or 3 at the latest and inviting off the waitlist accordingly, they have put themselves and teams in a sticky situation. I imagine a number of teams are getting the call and having to turn it down. On 422, it took a tidal wave of sponsor support, parent involvement, and school administration bending their own rules in a span of 36 hours.

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This may cause complaints by some teams, but couldn't they just use 396 teams and have 2 divisions with 102 teams and 2 divisions with 96 teams?

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Planning ahead is not unreasonable. A number of teams scheduled their trip to the Championship months ago, having no idea if they'd actually be going. It's easier to cancel a school field trip at the last minute than to try to get one approved on short notice.

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They could and if they don't get the teams I can see them doing it. I told my team to not expect divisions until tomorrow and Monday at the latest...

FIRST can't make teams go and they can't start telling teams they can't go now they've signed up, to make the divisions "equal". No body complains that each regional/district has different amounts of teams. As long as each division got the same # of matches I don't have a problem with uneven team counts in the divisions.

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Personally i have no problem with it either, but i was unsure of if FIRST would have a problem with that. It would make the most sense, because getting two more teams to attend is a lot easier than 14 on this short notice.

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The championship event is a meta-game of inches. People will complain about unbalanced/unequal divisions, whether you think it's silly or not.

That's a fair point. If both sides planned ahead, there would be less of a scramble altogether.

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Well, tbh, is there really a need for divisions to be released this early? Besides for pre-scouting purposes, what other advantages does knowing your division give you?

*Just playing devil's advocate

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also i would think anyone going must have thier robot shipped by thursday at the latest, unless FIRST allowed them to transport it themselves. 3130 a friend of my team got in on the wait list. They got a call monday night and had until 11am on tuesday to say yes or no. Just to add some context of how long you have to decide

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But I need it.

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It take a long time to pre-scout 100 teams...

Back in 2010, I believe 1732 added an autonomous mode to block 469 from the tunnel after the divisions were released. This year, I could see teams building a tall FCS-blocker if they find themselves in a division with some of the best tall FCS.

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Fantasy FIRST drafts.

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While that may help a bit to have it early, it really only takes $5 in pool noodles and 10 minutes to make an efficient FCS blocker...

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Not if you want it to move...

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Fair enough. I definately agree that it can help knowing who is in your division early on, especially with 100 teams in it, i was also just trying to show the other side.

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Hi Sandy ;)

Don't you have some work to do?!

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Um.....yes? as you can see, I"m not getting much done at work :(

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pre-scouting need for sure...but more so for me it's just the anticipation, the not knowing that drives me nuts :)

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you can look at the other teams that are in your division and start coming up with strategy for the competition.:)

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Both "Are Divisions Out Yet?" and the FIRST website are down now it looks like. Way to go everypony! :P

I am super excited for divisions to be released though. Better be before 5:15pm if it's going to be tonight. I don't have internet access at work.

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Straight from the creator of aredivisionsoutyet.com:
"It's from the FIRST website. Their website keeps crashing and I'm getting bad data when scraping"

I asked if this means divisions are out, but he didn't answer. My guess is conspiracy!!

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Conspiracy is always the best way to go when it comes to waiting for divisions.

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FIRST did take past year's data (including last year's division lists) down from the Championship page.


Again, besides for pre-scouting. Fantasy FIRST, yes, I love it, but not a need.

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Trust me, for everyone in FF going to CMP, it's going to be a nightmare to generate lists when trying to pack the trailer if we can't get them soon.

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The FIRST website has replaced the list of last years divisions with the list of 2013 divisions. However, the links are not yet clickable, and the team list doesn't seem to be loading either.

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THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.
UGHHHHHHHHHHH.

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Me too! Dare we hope to be in the same division with 20? :)

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What would be funny now is if someone took the current list of teams and randomized them, and posted it here. Extremely cruel, taking advantage of tons of people, but humorous.

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I hope we're in the same division as 1114 and 2056. I can only hope.

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Nobody wants to be in that division but 1114 and 2056.... and who their 3rd robot would be.

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Imagine if they were separated? That would be a shocking blow.

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I'd love to see "The Eh Team" again. But then don't put us in that division.

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Usually they are separated. I think last year was the only year they were in the same division.

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Only if we're behind the same wall! Our robot would look hideous with a mass of pool noodles flopping around on top of it ;)

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They've been in the same division I believe 2 other times, 2009 and I can't remember the other. In 2009 they teamed up together in the elims as well.

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I'm pretty sure it'll be pseudorandom as it has been each year, and so about 1 in every 4 years that can happen. The Eh Team? 1 in about 16 years.

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My team is very familiar with that year, having gone up against them in Archimedes QF 1 v 8.

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Regardless of who else is in their division, together they are unstoppable.

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Maybe there needs to be a new division for the super-bots.

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That's called Einstein.

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Disagree I think there are many alliances that I could form with teams going to champs that could beat a 1114, 2056, XXXX alliance.

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hehehehe

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I don't think that's how probability works...