Power State Alliances at Champs
 

With most of the waitlist teams signing up for Champs, I thought it would be fun for the CD community to come up with a power alliance from the state that they are from. Doing this could provide some insight for different area teams. Here goes mine..

Missouri

Captain: Team 1986: Provides a 7 disk auton. 3-4 disk cycles. A 30 pt climb at the end. 108 pts.

First Pick: Team 1806: Provides a 3 disk auton. 12 Full court shots at ~80%. A 50 pt climb at the end. 92 pts.

Second Pick: Team 1706: Provides a 3 disk auton. 21 Full court shots at ~70%. A 10 pt climb. with 2 pyrmaid shots. 83 pts.

Total: 283 points depending on robot blockers and the human players on the teams. The key to this alliance is that 1986 can run quick cycles if the other alliances choose to not defend both full court shooters, but then then one full court shooter gets free reign on the field.

Note: The other Missouri teams 1208(I know they are from "IL" but East St. Louis seams to much "MO" to not include them), 1288, 1730, 1939, 1985, 1987, 2408, 2457, 3284, 3528, and 4522 are all great teams, but I think this combo would put up the most points. The teams from Missouri this year have led me to believe that a blue banner might just get to stay in the state for once.

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We only climb for 20 climb + 20 dump. However, I think we could get off more than 12 FCS Shots in a match if we aren't being defended.

Also, we shall call it the 1XX6 alliance.

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Some combination of 254, 1538, 1717, us and 2485.

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Michigan is too bloody hard... 33, 67, 469, 1718, 1918, 3539 and many other combinations can put up 200+ points...

33, 67, 1918 could have put up 292 points if 1918 did not fall off the pyramid.

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For minnesota id say
2175 - 5 (hopefully soon to be 7) disk auton +4/5 cycles
2169 - 3 disk auton, FCS
and either
2052 or 3883 both fast cyclers with 3 disk auton

all three with ten point hangs
2175 would pick up the misses of the other two or cycle on thier own when thier arent disks on the floor

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Same here.

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Oregon
Oregon only has 5 teams going. 955, 1425,1540,4125 and 4488
955 Has a 3 disk auton, shoots for about 3 cycles, and has a 10 point hang - 64 points
1425 Has a 3 disk auton, and is a FCS, and can easily make 15 disks (I'm assuming i'm underestimating here). They also have a 10 point hang - 73 Points
1540 has a 7 disk auton, with about 4 cycles and a 10 point hang - 100 points
4125 I don't have much information on, but I wouldn't count them out.
We on 4488 have a 3 disk auton, and we can do about 3 cycles with a 10 point hang - 64 points.


Its hard to pick from just those 5 because any combo of 3 would be an excellent alliance.

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Washington 2471 1983 2046

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Wisconsin I would say

2826
1732
Then a toss up between 706, 269, and 1259(if they played they way they played Saturday at Wisconsin) I think i'd lean towards 1259 for their 30 point climb 20 point dump. If I wanted defense 269 all the way, they were awesome for us in Wisconsin(Northern Lights too but they didn't really play D there). If I was looking at offensive fire power with shooting discs I would go with 706.

EDIT: 706, 269, and 1259 aren't going to champs so I'll have to come up with a different 3rd team at a later time.

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Florida

Captain: Team 1902: 3 auto, 5 pyramid cycles @ 90%, 10pt hang - 82 pts

First Pick: Team 180: 3 auto ,3-4 FCS cycles @ 60% and 1-2 pyramid cycles @ 90%, and 10pt hang - 76 pts

Second Pick: Team 801: 4 auto, 3-4 pyramid cycles @ 80%, 10pt hang - 70 pts

This would be 228 points also depending on what the other alliances did. This "all Florida alliance" could look a number of ways as the teams Florida is sending are pretty good this year. You could almost change any of these teams out for 79, 3410, 744 to keep an all offensive mindset or call in 233 or 1251 if you want to run some solid defense.

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Nevada...987 and clones (since we are only team from state going to champs this year). :D

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New Hampshire

3467:3 auto, 5-6 Cycles and a 30 point climb=63 points
1519:3 auto, FCS into the 2 point goal, 10 point hang=70 points
131:5 3 auto, 5 Cycles and a 10 point hang=43 points

Assuming nothing goes wrong, that's about 176 points, but keep in mind I am completely estimating the amounts of frisbees scored in teleop.

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1v3, if anyone could do it, 987 could.

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NJ I think 2590+11+316 or 2016 since both have intakes for potential centerline autons. I've heard rumors of 2016 having a 30 point climb for champs.

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Texas

118 - 7 Disc (or 5 from the center line), cycle or ground pick up, 10 point hang
1477 - Same as above
2468 - 3 in auto, FCS, plus feeding discs to the two ground pick ups, 10 point hang.

Should be able to get 70+ in Auto every time and potential for 90. Nearly every disc will be scored by this alliance, plus stealing discs from the opponents.

There are a lot of Texas teams going but I think this combination has the most offensive capability.

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Oddly enough, I don't think I'd include 1718. While we're consistent, we're too much of a one-trick pony.

67 for their climb and dump, and whose misses feed the ground pickups. They also have a fairly solid cycle if fcs is defended. 469 for auto, and ground pickup. If 1918 can get their mechanical issues sorted, I'd end up picking them as a third. They aren't terribly consistent (yet), but their 30 point climb + 2 colored disks + 2 - 3 runs beats most good cyclers at 5-6 runs on points.

We saw it several times at MSC where teams with too many good cyclers were running out of discs. At that point, you have to fall back on climbing and auton to really bump your score upwards.

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There are a few different groupings that could work. You could also switch out 316 for 25 (especially if they get their 30-pt climb going, or rework a 40-pt climb-and-dump like 103), and 11 for 1676. And if you wanted a full-court shooter, you could throw in 303.

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I think any California Power Alliance would have to include 254 and 1538. Amazing ground pickups, high potential for a 90 point autonomous and amazing scoring/climbing machines. The third bot would really have to depend on what the alliance is going for. I think both 254 and 1538 would appreciate a robot that can feed discs from the HP station a la 118 at SVR, but said robot also needs to be able to score and climb by itself as well. For this reason, I think 2485 with their full-court-shooting potential as well as large potential to feed its alliance partners would be ideal for this West Coast Wonder of an alliance.

In summary:

254 - Ground pickup/90 point auton, Strong scoring, 30 point climb
1538 - Ground pickup/90 point auton, strong scoring, 10 point climb
2485 - Strong feeding ability, Full-Court-Shooting, 10 point climb

A strong secondary candidate for this alliance would have to be either 1717 or 973, which are both strong scorers, but do not have the capabilities to feed 254/1538 from their scoring position, a skill that makes 2485 special.

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2016 has been a little inconsistent i believe, but I haven't seen them since Bridgewater. A 30 climb would be a definite plus as New Jersey is hardly a climbing state at all as far as teams going to champs go.

As far as my own opinion

1) 2590 - the best team in NJ and MAR, and also the best ground loader, as long as they don't jam. Complete with a 10 point hang

2) 316/2729 - 316 is a ground loader, while 2729 can be a FCS when it wants to with reasonable accuracy, a good combination with Nemesis as seen at MAR champs. Otherwise a great cycler.

3) 1676/11 - The best pure cyclers in NJ, I don't know which won I'd choose, they seem to be very similar in skill. Based on what I saw at MAR champs, I'm leaning more towards the Pioneers.

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In Oklahoma we were getting 4-5 cycles once we fixed some bugs.

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Yeah, this would be one of the most mobile alliances out there. Although I would replace 148 for 2468 because they are more accurate (85% ish for the threes) and can do a constant flow (2468 has to load 4, then turn and shoot, and repeat). They also have the 20 point hang with a possible dump for 20 more pts.

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Connecticut
175- 5 or 7 auto, gets 2-3 cycles or picks up, extremely accurate shooter probably 90%, 10 point hang
230- 3 auto(correct me if I'm wrong) 3-4 cycles, 30 point hang(as long as they dial it down) adjustable FCS blocker (deadly against my team)
178 3 auto, 2-3 cycles, great drive train, 10 point hang,

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2468 is able to get around defense and still make shots without the need for a fullback. I think it will come down to what changes both teams make coming into to champs. I know Appreciate is planning some nice improvements. 148's climb and dump is a big plus if it can be consistent.

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For Wisconsin, using registered teams, I'd go 2826, 1732 and 1714. Going to be tough only scoring up to 36* points in autonmous, but I'd still give 1714's climber dumper the edge over 2062 and 2194.

*I fully expect 2826 to dial in their multidisc autonomous for the Championship, but they have yet to do it in a match.

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I haven't heard that 179 was attending.........

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Oh dang, I must have mistook 175 for 179.

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Here's the best I can do for Michigan. Keep in mind this combination could also work with several teams doing the floor cleanup.

67 puts in 3 in auton, shoots 33 discs full-court at 70%, and climbs and dumps for 50pts. (137 pts)

469 puts in 5 in auton (or more, depending on the centerline) runs 3 cycles from the feeder station, then cleans up the field, putting in at least 12 and possibly more, depending on missed shots from the other alliance, then hangs for 10. (76 pts)

33, 3539, or 2054 put in 7 in auton, then clean up the missed shots (around 10) by 67 before hanging for 10. If they run out of discs they can play defense. They then hang for 10 points. (82 pts)

If this alliance only has their starting discs and the feeder station discs to work with, excluding missed shots from the other alliance picked up by the sweepers, they could total 295 points.

Since HOT can shoot better than 70% and easily drain a player station of discs, 469 and the sweeper could focus on defense/feeding from the opposing alliance's missed shots and possibly increase this score.

If there was strong defense on HOT at their FCS position, then they and 469 could both run cycles while the sweeper cleans up the field. This method might not put quite as many discs in, but they could still come very close to emptying the feeder station.

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Ontario's choice is easy.

Captain 2056, 1st pick 1114, and 2nd pick any one of (610, 1310, 1334, 1241, 4001)

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I'd throw in 948 and 1899 into the mix as well.

I think any combination of those 5 will be able to play with the best of them :)

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I'd have to disagree... a CT alliance without 195 would not be our best. Also 178 is not currently listed as attending Champs. I know they won EI but maybe they opted out??
I would suggest:

175- 5 or 7 auto, gets 2-3 cycles or picks up, 10 point hang
230- 3 auto, 3-4 cycles, 20 point hang - adjustable FCS blocker (if needed)
195- 3 auto, FCS for 3 pt each (very accurate), 10 point hang

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Can you borrow your neighbors? We and 842 would be happy to help :)

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Really? Well I didn't check, I thought they were going because of EI too. But I'm factoring in being blocked, which means we can't be as consistent as you three. At least the pyramid you are always safe.

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PA:
341 - When everything is working, they're a top tier ground loader. Has scored 7 auton discs before.
225 - Difficult to block FCS with a super powerful drive train to bulldoze their way to the corner. Can shoot from the pyramid in a bind.
103 - Good scoring machine that has potential to run center line auto. Can also climb for 20 and dump.

HM: 222, 1218, 1640, 1708



VA:
116 - Consistent 3-4 cycle machine that can score from the wings of the pyramid.
422 - 3 cycle machine that can score from the wings of the pyramid
1541- 3 cycle machine that can score from the rear of the pyramid

HM: 1262, 1610
Not at champs: 612, 2363

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175- 5 or 7 auto, gets 2-3 cycles or picks up, 10 point hang
236- 3 auto, 2-3 cycles, 30 point hang +20 point dump- tall enough to block an FCS.
195- 3 auto, FCS for 3 pt each (very accurate), 10 point hang.

Sorry Laura, Gotta go with the Ticks and their almost guaranteed 50 pts, plus what they can do in auto = 18, plus a minimum of 2 cycles = 24 for a grand total of 92.

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If up against a FCS, 2054 would be the best of these 3 (ability to extend to 82"). Otherwise, I think 33 has the most consistent auton of them with the other 2 close behind.

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If I remember correctly, 25 had their climb and dump working in Vegas (not sure if everything actually worked together, but it was all there) the week before the MAR Championship.

Personally, I think given the opportunity, I'd go with 1640 over 103. 103 is definitely good, but I'm not sure if their style of play would compliment the FCS/Floor Loader Combination well. As I play through a 1640/225/341 scenario in my head, I just see it coming out very well. 1640's to navigate the field quickly and efficiently would leave more than enough space for both 225 and 341 to do what they need to do - and if 225 were to be blocked and/or defended, 1640 is more than strong enough to make up some of the offensive gap - not to mention that they have the ability to feed a floor loader from the opposite end of the field.

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CT: 195/2168 and then either 230/236 depending on alliance strategy.

NY: 20/4124/3173

MA: 125/126/1100

NH: 131/3467/1519

RI: 78/121/3280

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Am I allowed to claim Missouri as a home state? Kansas doesn't have anyone qualified...

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Close enough.

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Don't forget 3015 for NY

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Looks like 1153 isn't signed up for champs right now, so I think that 1100 would be the best replacement. I am kind of disappointed that it is just a 3 pure cycler alliance.

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Team 1100 is bringing a floor pickup to St. Louis. I thought 125 also attempted a floor pickup but didn't use it at Boston.

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From Kansas: 1448 and 1710 would be a cool team. Excellent climber and fine shooting. If only there were more than two teams going to Champs. ;)

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Indiana: 868, 447, 234

868: a great cycler that dominated both events they went to and has a lot of potential

447: multi disk auton and fast cycling

234: an accurate and fast cycler

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This would be my choice of a powerhouse alliance for MO

1) 1986- 7 auto shots, 3-4 cycles, 30 pt climb. 108 pts

2) 3284- when not playing defense, 3 auto, 3 cycles, 10 pt climb. 64 pts

3) 1706- disk auto, 21 fcs at 80%, 10 pt climb, with 2 pyramid shots. 90 pts

1986 will do what they do, be amazing

3284 will put up 18 auto points and be able to push through almost any defense, and when they play defense they have a net that flips up to block FCS or they can block cycling bots with their 2 speed, high traction, 4 cim drivetrain. They can also protect 1706 from being blocked if need be, though I doubt that would be the case.

1706 will put up 18 auto points and then shoot three point FCS with 80% accuracy

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Ontario:

1114: 18 point auto, 5 cycles, 50 point hang. 128 points

2056: 42 point auto, 5-6 "cycles," 10 point hang. 112-124 points

610: 18 point auto, 5-7 cycles OR quick FCS*, 10 point hang. 88-112 points.

Total: 328-364

Problem, this alliance needs 72 disks, there are 47 available. 2056 can steal opponents misses (and they regularly do), but this alliance is capped at the amount of disks they can get their hands on.



*can hit up to 28 disks with their FCS, but I didn't incude it in the point totals because they don't do it often.

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This is an uncommonly made point on chief; many people seem completely unaware that there are only 45 (+6) frisbees at the feeder station.

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If we're going by who's attending champs, for GA the only real choices are
2415, 2974, 1311. 2415 has a 7 disc auto,2974 is a fairly quick cycler, and 1311 has the ability to shoot far away, feeding 2415.

If I could choose any teams from this state and form the best alliance of the state, I'd go with 2415 and their 7 disc auto, 1648, who is a quick cycler with a powerful drivetrain, and either 4509 or 4080. Both of these guys have very good shooting and while 4509 hasn't shown an FCS, their shooter is powerful and can shoot long range.

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Michigan:
67:3 disc auton, FCS, 50 dump
469:5 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang
33:7 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang

~350 pts

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I would love to be on an alliance with fellow MO teams 1986 and 1806. I don't think it is safe to assume that two FCS on the same alliance would go un defended. We can run 4 cycles a match, sometimes 5 with an 18 point autonomous and a last second 10
point hang. Plus, we are adding in some defensive capabilities for Champs that will be "interesting" without losing shooting or hanging ability.

Whether we get to be a part of it or not, both 1986 and 1806 are going to be teams to watch in St. Louis.

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As pointed out just a few posts ago, keep in mind the amount of discs available to an alliance. With only 50 climb points, they'd need 300 disc points to reach your goal for them. 90 of those can come from autonomous (if they match a feat that's only been achieved once all year in all of FRC). 20 more can come from 67's dump. That still leaves 190 points to be scored by discs in the 3 point goal, or 63.333 disc's worth. They'd only have 47 available to them at their station (45 white + 2 red not being scored in the pyramid). That means they'd have to scoop up 17 of the other alliances' discs (beyond shooting 100% of their discs in).

Pretty tall task, even for those teams.

And do 79 discs even fit in the 3 point goal?

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Just think if that alliance made it to Einstien.
TWO Mecanum bots on Einstien! :ahh:

Also, you could drive to all 3 of our schools and not have your trip meter go over 60 miles.

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Nebraska:

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For PA, I would go with...

1. 341- Great auton/floor intake, quick shooter (if a little inconsistent), fast 10-point climb
2. 222- Great cycle bot who can make multiple trips, superconsistent shooter, easy 10-point climb
3. 1640- another great shooter with a fairly-fast 30 point climb

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THIS is why FRC in Kansas City is getting to be very competitive.:yikes:

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That would definitely be a first! We can easily switch to traction wheels to push if we need to, but we really love the maneuverability on the flat field. I'd much rather be with you than against you! Can't wait for divisions to come out so we can see if we are with any local friends.

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Allen, Thanks for the kind words. We are definitely honored to be mentioned on alliance with two teams we consider to be teams we aspire to be like.

We have been working on dialing in shooting at the 3 more consistently as well as improving shot time at the 3 point shot. The shot time for the 2 was much less for the 2 at Alamo and Hub City. We added two speed transmissions (first time for our team ever) at Alamo and it took most of the tournament to get comfortable driving with them. We hope we have discovered and can demonstrate some improvements not only the robot and drive team but also in shot selection on the course.

I know that 148 offers the 20 point hang which is a definite advantage that we do not offer.

I believe at Championships that ground pickup and stealing from your opponents will be a big difference in winning and losing. The limited supply at your feeder station will be depleted in many matches I believe. Teams will need to be aware and take advantage of this. The points scored from these frisbees will most likely be the difference in the matches.

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I can see them getting 90 fairly consistently in auto.. +50 in climb points + 20 in dump points + around 40 disks scored in the 3 point goal thats 50+20+(40*3) +90 = that's 280 points. The only reason i don't think they can score more than 40 disks is that i would have 67 FCS obviously making close to 20 if undefended while 469 makes runs probably 3 for 12 making all 12 then 33 will make runs for the first half of the match making 8 then picking up 4 misses and making them for another 4 thats 20 +12 +12 =42 and i just rounded down to 40 for safety because unless HOT speeds up their line up time it could take a lot of time... now it could end up with them making that many and still having time for another 4 pick ups from the bees while guerrillas pick up 4 from the opponents side making it 50 disks but thats pushing it. Even then it would only be 90+50+20+(50*3) making 310, with no def and very high accuracy.
Also i think you could replace either of the pick up robots (33 or 469) with 2054 with no detriment to the alliance as a whole. (Assuming someone other than 469 can get the center Frisbee in there which i haven't seen yet. i would say that the byting bulldogs could replace them as well but their auton is way less consistent, but they are definatly a contender.

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And we're definitely going to see some alliances run out in elims next week. Those Elims are going to be really interesting, I can't wait.

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I really can't wait to see this in St. Louis! Watched you guys at WPI and Boston and have a solid robot with a few *ahem* tricks up your sleeve er... elevator.;)

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Neither 3173 or 3015 are going to St. Louis.

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Top three Indiana teams:
868 (2 regional wins, #1 and #2 seeds, ridiculously agile cycler)
234 (1 regional win, 1 finalist, #2 and #3 seeds, quick, adaptable cycler)
1741 (FCS, good defender, can scoot under pyramid)

Backup: 447 (1 regional win, 1 finalist, quick and agile cycler, can floor load)

Something that's been overlooked in previous posts - all these teams are very deserving of high-profile awards at the CMP level.

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For Illinois, I would say-

111-ground collection, pyramid shooter (1 regional win, 1 semi-finals, 3 seed at midwest)
2338-pyramid shooter (1 regional win, 1 semi-finals, 2 seed at midwest)
2481-climb and dumper (1 finals, 6 seed at crossroads)

Neither pwnage or winnovation made it this year. Both of them had really solid bots.

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Sorry about that. I forgot about the St. Louis part, but they are one of the best in NY.

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A great alliance indeed. Glad we got a chance to see the 3 you mentioned this season all attending champs.

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imo we need someone to climb or play defense which is why i picked 2046. 1983 as a better auton than 1899 and ground pickup. And 2471 has ground pickup as well.

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Michigan

• 469 - 7 Disc Auton - Ground/Feeder
• 67 - 3 Disc Auton - FCS - Climb & Dump (4)
• 1918 - 3 Disc Auton - Ground/Feeder - Climb & Dump (2)

Assume they can score all the disc:
78 Auton Points + 135 Disc Points + 70 Climb Points + 30 Pyramid Disc Points = 313 (or more because of taking the other alliance's disc)

Now if 469 adds a lvl 3 Climber for the Championship, it becomes 333 Points.

-Clinton-

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I was informed that the Enforcers would not be joining us at Champs. :(

And yes, 195's full court 3-point shot was just getting good by the end of the CT regional. Any 3 of the 5 CT teams already named would be a remarkable alliance with a 240+ non-foul point possibility per game.

If only...but,

If the Canadians can do it, why not, eh?

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Actually, now that I think about strategy, 2168 would be a great alliance partner. If you have a FCS, a bot that can pick up, and a fast, agile, accurate bot with a great drive train, you can probably wreak.